The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #6

[wfgodot]

One component of organized crime is its long-term kept-secrets capacity.

 

[Missouri Mule]

Had the sexual assault taken place and not been interrupted and immediate exit with now 3 witnesses deemed to be necessary, then the money would surely have been found and a robbery would have been committed just as it was in Aug 1993.

Certainly that is plausible. Offhand I'm not familiar with the other incident. Are you implying that these same individuals pulled that heist? If we are discussing the GJ3, we are looking at three individuals very much alive. Two of them are/were in jail. One was on the street the last time I knew. I'm sure you know their history better than anyone here. Do you think they would be able to keep a secret over this long period of time?

What do you think of the "organized crime" suggestion? Is that on or off the table so far as you are concerned? I have no opinion myself except I wouldn't rule it out.

 

[Hurricane]

Certainly that is plausible. Offhand I'm not familiar with the other incident. Are you implying that these same individuals pulled that heist? If we are discussing the GJ3, we are looking at three individuals very much alive. Two of them are/were in jail. One was on the street the last time I knew. I'm sure you know their history better than anyone here. Do you think they would be able to keep a secret over this long period of time?

What do you think of the "organized crime" suggestion? Is that on or off the table so far as you are concerned? I have no opinion myself except I wouldn't rule it out.

After brutally raping the 20 yr old coed for hrs in Aug 1993 Garrison asked his victim if she had any money. She had ~$500.00 (amount from memory) that her parents had just given her for her apartment rent & utilities for the month. Garrison took all that money before leaving the apartment while he made her shower. That resulted in the charge of robbery being tacked on to the other charges, which he received the consecutive 10 yrs for (again, by memory) when he was convicted & sentenced. Or maybe the 10 was for B&E and one of the concurrent 30's was for robbery with a weapon, I don't really recall how the sentences were accessed.

The MO is virtually the same between what would have happened at 1717 in June 1992 and what did happen in the rape in Aug 1993; things escalated and got out of hand when the girls showed up. Read the FBI's Rapist Profile on Garrison; it fits him & what was to have happened at crime scene #1 perfectly, age of victim & everything. I have expressed my opinion before on what likely would have happened to Sherrill that night if the girls hadn't come home. It wouldn't have been easy for her but she would be alive today.

I have never seen any evidence of an organized crime angle, professional hit men or professional cleaners and therefore have no interest in it.

 

[Incredible]

I know he left DNA and the victim as a witness, but I do not remember about fingerprints.

 

[TexasT]

It's Very presumptuous to sit here and state the motive was assault And the 3 women were assaulted . There is Zero evidence of that . And if you're familiar of elements of those offenses it's even less likely . Not too mention it's pretty insensitive to the families...
Look at the Odds of being a victim of a friend / family member VS a serial killer / crime mafia and it's about a Billion to 1 .

In regards to 18 people entering your home fingering your personal belongings playing your messages digging in your trash and making a pot of coffee .. Tell me what World that happens in . Anyone with an IQ of 10 after the First non contact would back out and call the Authorities . I lived less then 3 miles away and it Didn't happen there .


TT


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[Incredible]

Sexual assault with Mrs. Levitt as the target is the motive given by law enforcement.

 

[Incredible]

He came in through the living room window of the coed's apartment. He was charged with burglary, robbery, rape and sodomy. He had a gun.

If you go to the Proboards site, there is one pic that looks very much like the transient police tried to find after the abduction.

At his trial, he called himself an outlaw.

 

[Hurricane]

Except threats against your family helps to seal lips. Remember the rape trial.

If you're talking about the threat to Price that person has been identified. How could he not be when he has tattoos on the insides of both wrists?

 

[Hurricane]

I know he left DNA and the victim as a witness, but I do not remember about fingerprints.

In 1993 he crawled in thru a window and was in the apartment for hrs. He used a knife from her kitchen and he used the bathroom several times. I'm sure he left plenty of prints, besides the DNA & the victim as a witness against him. As I recall his defense against the rape was that everything was consensual.

 

[Jennibee]

After researching this theory more and reading the book that we discussed; I'm starrting to believe it very well could be.


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[TexasT]

Roaring River State park and Cassville have experienced Significant flooding this week , and also several other times in past 23 years . If there was any undiscovered evidence it's likely been moved .

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[fullmoon]

In "State of Missouri V. Steve Garrison, COURT OF APPEALS OF MISSOURI, SOUTHERN DISTRICT, DIVISION ONE, July 11, 1996":

Garrison ordered rape victim "to get up and told her to wipe off the door handle and the screen as he did not want to leave any fingerprints. "

So he was conscious about not wanting to leave fingerprints.

 

[TexasT]

Sexual assault with Mrs. Levitt as the target is the motive given by law enforcement.

How accurate were the profiles on the DC beltway sniper ten years later ?




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[fullmoon]

How accurate were the profiles on the DC beltway sniper ten years later ?




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Good point, TexasT. Another example would be Unabomber Ted Kaczynski. FBI profilers said the perp would be an uneducated man with a menial job.

 

[Incredible]

Go back and read about the neighborhood activity that night.

 

[Hurricane]

How accurate were the profiles on the DC beltway sniper ten years later ?




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The FBI has profiled Garrison to be among only 12% of all convicted rapists. Note the word "convicted"; that is a profile group made from the behaviors of known individual convicted rapists, not unknown suspects or subjects. That is a profile group of very specific behaviors to which Garrison belongs. Twelve percent of all convicted rapists is a reasonably small percentage number making up this profile group. Based on his criminal behaviors that is an accurate profile of Garrison and he belongs in that group.

I agree with you on the accuracy of FBI profilers profiling unknown suspects or subjects (UNSUBS). It's just based on patterns of behavior that may or may not apply to this case and subject to change over the course of the investigation. Initially SPD "profiled" it one way:

"Police cling to the idea that a single man could have used a ruse - something as simple as posing as a utility worker warning of a bogus gas leak in the neighborhood - to lure them out."

And don't forget the "dog ruse" that was also proposed.

The FBI's James Wright "clings" to another:

"An FBI violent crime specialist theorizes that three missing women were abducted by someone at least one of them trusted, and the abductor probably had help from one or more others."

So which is it? And why does it have to be either when there were several ways other than the front door in which entry could have been made into an unsecured house that morning? And besides making the point concerning how entry was made, I'll also point out that SPD "profiled" that one individual could have pulled this off whereas the FBI cling to the idea the abductor "had help from one or more others". So profiles of UNSUBS are just a theory subject to change.

 

[monkeymann]

Sexual assault with Mrs. Levitt as the target is the motive given by law enforcement.

Can you quote that source....Because that's not the conclusion that the FBI's Profiler came up with at all.
And quite frankly, I trust the FBI's profilers conclusion more than I've ever trusted any other.

 

[Incredible]

It was in the News Leader, I am away so my hard copies are not with me.

It was also in the Warren book. Mr. Warren surmised if LE was correct, they must have information not released to the public.

 

[Missouri Mule]

So it seems to me that a minimum of one person either trusted by one or more of the women or a ruse was used. I think that is undisputed.

I am having some difficulty with the view that Garrison is connected to this crime. Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't he sprung from jail by one of the detectives for an absurdly low bail amount $500 (and he was only on the hook for 10% or $50.00)? If he was actually considered a top suspect why would anyone conceive of such an idea to allow him out of jail?

Hypothetically, suppose he had nothing to do with this crime. If he had nothing to do with this crime it might have been one of the other two GJ3. We know that one is in the slammer (or was), and one is (believed) to be on the street. We also know they were tight having spent time in Kansas before they were released some three weeks prior to the women going missing. My recollection is that all of them had a rap sheet as long as my leg.

Further extending this out, suppose NONE of these guys were involved? Can that possibility be ruled out? I don't think so; especially if one is inclined to believe that the perpetrator was "trusted" by one or more of the women.

If the GJ3 had nothing to do with this crime. Who are we left with? Are we absolutely 1,000% certain that the SPD is squeaky clean? There are so many things about this case that do not pass the smell test. Why not consider the possibility there was police involvement. If that is plausible, isn't it also plausible that the women would have trusted a uniformed officer or a plain clothed detective? Just saying.....

 

[Incredible]

As to Garrison, he agreed to give info if he was let out.

So, the detective and Garrison went to a hotel. Garrison gave him the info for the search for the remains and the van. The detective stepped out of the room and called info in to get the warrants in motion, and that is when SG escaped. Whatever was found was sealed. The van was no longer at the different location given by SG.