Theories discussion: What could have happened to Haleigh? #3

[Snowball58]

I don't have a theory. I've pretty much said that all along, I just wanted to make sure to say it again.

Here is something I'm puzzling out in my mind ~ last night and today~ Can't quite put my finger on why it's nudging me to pay attention. Could be nothing you know? Probably is but here I'll just go ahead and post it.

Of course, we can't put a lot of faith into what MC has said, if only because her stories of that night have changed...

But- it was said that MC and RC were talking and they had an argument about her babysitting or some such. She cut the phone off after that argument. (unconfirmed)

It was said that she had conversations with her brother(s) prior to the phone being cut off (unconfirmed)

It was said that her blanket was in the Van (by her) and that it was unavailable that night when she laid down (unconfirmed)

The place that LE is searching at this time, is a known party spot for younger folk in that area.

I wonder if the argument over the phone (if true) was a sort of ruse to get out of the house by MC? Given that she had a weekend prior that she was out of the house perhaps she knew that RC wouldn't approve?

Perhaps there was a party or get together out at Mondex (near that pond) and she wanted to go. A myspace posting by the Sheffield family said something along the lines of MC we know you are young and just wanted to party and have fun like all the other kids your age...

Did MC want to go have fun that night? Was her Brother(s) going? Did she cut off her phone, grab the kids, grab her blanket to keep them warm and head out of the house?

But then we have Jr. we don't know what he said but obviously he didn't tell a story that would say that happened. But what if he had been asleep when she moved the children from the house to van and then moved him from van to house. He might not remember. I've seen kids sleep through a lot of things.

It's just something I've been thinking. It doesn't even approach explaining to what may have happened to Haleigh. I'm at a loss as to what might have happened if she had been removed from the home in this manner.

Just something I've been thinking about, not a theory. Just a possibility in my mind at this time. JMHO.

Could be lots of things along the lines of what you describe: perhaps she drugged the kids to make them sleep and either left them at home alone or brought them with her and left them in the van while she partied. Then Haleigh woke up and wandered off in confusion, or was taken, or Misty was high and doesn't know what happened to Haleigh, or she OD'd Haleigh. Could be lots of things, all of them bad

Maybe the evidence they found at the pond is evidence that Misty was there that night. Maybe Ron stashed the pot plants there and it was Misty's job to go care for them each night, and maybe she routinely left the kids at the mobile home alone while she did this. My head is just spinning with the possibilities linking what happened that night with the pot plants and the Mondex pond where they routinely partied and Ron was seen not long after Haleigh's disappearance mud-bogging. Is it possible that the whole family was involved in the cultivation of this crop of plants ($300k worth, I think I read somewhere?) and that's why they are all covering for each other and backing Misty and her ever-changing stories?

I also think the dogs hitting on the dumpster and the dock are all related to the events of that night. That the bricking of the door and the van is related to the transportation of 100 plants from Ron's MH to the pond? Maybe the blanket was used to put the plants on so that they didn't leave a lot of dirt and debris on the floor? Or same purpose in the van - to make cleanup easy? And maybe after they dropped the plants at the lake, they tossed the blanket into the water or woods and that's the evidence LE found?

See, lol, told you my head is spinning trying to make it all connect!

 

[elle1919]

hi snowball...3 words for ya....post more often...

I honestly don't know what to make of this pond search. Now I am hearing information that the draining of the pond is complete and there is no evidence in relation to the Haleigh case. Totally doesn't jive with what LE said yesterday. In my opinion what I first thought when this all began is that I should just keep my fingers still until it's over and done with because much of this case is based on rumors and speculation. 2 things I am not good at.....lol. I like truth but can't seem to find much of that being reported. Not a dis at LE or the media. Just a whole lot of opinions being reported and I am cool with that.....if the truth is to be found in there somewhere.

 

[kiki the parrot]

I proposed virtually this same scenario when starting Theories #1... and would change little today. MC wants to continue her partying so tells friend/dealer WBG he can come over later on after dad's gone and kids are asleep. She's pretty sure Junior will sleep thru and couldn't pose much of a problem for her but knows Haleigh will tell her dad if she sees. RC has a stash of pills in the MH so she takes one puts in Haleigh's milk and gives it to her before putting her to bed. She waits til Haleigh's no longer stirring, calls WBG back--and tells him the coast is clear.

She moves Junior from sofa to the floor on a blanket so as not to wake his sissy. Soon WBG arrives and she lets him in. They continue smoking, drink some beers, and before he leaves they get to bouncing on the couch.

Once he's gone she goes to move Haleigh and notices blanket is wet. She's exhausted, in no mood to do laundry, shakes Haleigh and yells, "You got this bed soaking wet, now your dad's gonna be mad as..." She realizes now not only is the blanket wet, Haleigh is unresponsive. She's unable to rouse her so turns the light on and notices she's vomited, is limp, and looks oddly discolored.

She knows RC will kill her if he ever finds out she drugged and killed his daughter so she first calls her brother. She does not admits the full truth tho, but insists Haleigh got into RC's stash of pills on her own. "You gotta come over here Tommy, somethin's wrong w her," and he consents to help. After going back in the bedroom he tells Misty nobody can do nothin and that they have to call RC. RC is enraged but knows he will be blamed. He, MC and TC agree to tell the intruder/abduction story. Tommy tells RC he knows where he can take her. He hangs up, returns to the bedroom, wraps Haleigh in a blanket and carries her thru the living area out to the van. *ETA alternately Tommy carries Haleigh out of the MH immediately to the dumpster, from where he picks her up after going back for the van; and/or Haleigh is at Tyler St. when this same scenario first develops, explaining earlier non-emergency call.

MC remains and does damage control on the MH and waits for RC to return from work. She knows she bears responsibility for od'ing his daughter yet insists she doesn't know how Haleigh found them and he knows he too shares responsibility. He's furious but afraid of losing Junior, paying support, drug and negligence charges, MC revealing all his activities--and also realizes he can't blame MC entirely since they were his drugs that killed Haleigh. He stages the MH to suggest the "intruder/abduction" story they will tell. He accepts partial responsibility and their shared culpabillity is the secret tie that binds. The nuptials seal the deal as he believes this protects him and prevents her from testifying against him re drugs, statutory. And she's just relieved he doesn't know the details of that nite.

Thus far this is one of the only shared culpability scenarios (including others negligence or violence situations) that I've come up w which can explain their alliance. JMO

arrot:

 

[suspicious1]

I proposed virtually this same scenario when starting Theories #1... and would change little today. MC wants to continue her partying so tells friend/dealer WBG he can come over later on after dad's gone and kids are asleep. She's pretty sure Junior will sleep thru and couldn't pose much of a problem for her but knows Haleigh will tell her dad if she sees. RC has a stash of pills in the MH so she takes one puts in Haleigh's milk and gives it to her before putting her to bed. She waits til Haleigh's no longer stirring, calls WBG back--and tells him the coast is clear.

She moves Junior from sofa to the floor on a blanket so as not to wake his sissy. Soon WBG arrives and she lets him in. They continue smoking, drink some beers, and before he leaves they get to bouncing on the couch.

Once he's gone she goes to move Haleigh and notices blanket is wet. She's exhausted, in no mood to do laundry, shakes Haleigh and yells, "You got this bed soaking wet, now your dad's gonna be mad as..." She realizes now not only is the blanket wet, Haleigh is unresponsive. She's unable to rouse her so turns the light on and notices she's vomited, is limp, and looks oddly discolored.

She knows RC will kill her if he ever finds out she drugged and killed his daughter so she first calls her brother. She does not admits the full truth tho, but insists Haleigh got into RC's stash of pills on her own. "You gotta come over here Tommy, somethin's wrong w her," and he consents to help. After going back in the bedroom he tells Misty nobody can do nothin and that they have to call RC. RC is enraged but knows he will be blamed. He, MC and TC agree to tell the intruder/abduction story. Tommy tells RC he knows where he can take her. He hangs up, returns to the bedroom, wraps Haleigh in a blanket and carries her thru the living area out to the van. *ETA alternately Tommy carries Haleigh out of the MH immediately to the dumpster, from where he picks her up after going back for the van; and/or Haleigh is at Tyler St. when this same scenario first develops, explaining earlier non-emergency call.

MC remains and does damage control on the MH and waits for RC to return from work. She knows she bears responsibility for od'ing his daughter yet insists she doesn't know how Haleigh found them and he knows he too shares responsibility. He's furious but afraid of losing Junior, paying support, drug and negligence charges, MC revealing all his activities--and also realizes he can't blame MC entirely since they were his drugs that killed Haleigh. He stages the MH to suggest the "intruder/abduction" story they will tell. He accepts partial responsibility and their shared culpabillity is the secret tie that binds. The nuptials seal the deal as he believes this protects him and prevents her from testifying against him re drugs, statutory. And she's just relieved he doesn't know the details of that nite.

Thus far this is one of the only shared culpability scenarios (including others negligence or violence situations) that I've come up w which can explain their alliance. JMO

arrot:

This is one of the first theories that I've heard that's probably the closest to the truth. Unbelievable!

 

[Kat]

I'm very comfortable with Kiki's theory.

It just "feels" right. It makes sense. It's logical. KWIM? JMHO.

 

[Beyond Belief]

Very good KiKi...................

 

[TDEllis65]

New thought. Just throwing it out there. What if M.C. was not home at 10am as brother indicated. With the banging on the door, the children would have been woken up M.C. if she was there and the children were awake. (As T.N. stated on N.G.) If M.C. was not home, where were the children. How did they sleep through this? Were they given any type of medication to help them stay asleep, if M.C. decided to go out for the night. The fact that Hank Jr, was outside the home makes me curious as to his innocents. Hank, Jr. would know that M.C. was not home and the kids were home alone. Red Flag

 

[periwinkleblue]

Since day one and hearing RC on the 911 call, something is off. It seems to me that he is in control of Misty and has always been in control of the situation. I do not know how or what happened, but I think a cover up by RC began while he was at work. If he knew she wasn't home, there is no way he would have calmly continued to work. He would have been filled with rage and would have to react. Misty was persuaded to keep quiet about what ever the cover up is by getting what she wanted, married to RC!

JMO and my 1st post!

 

[Mysterylover]

Since day one and hearing RC on the 911 call, something is off. It seems to me that he is in control of Misty and has always been in control of the situation. I do not know how or what happened, but I think a cover up by RC began while he was at work. If he knew she wasn't home, there is no way he would have calmly continued to work. He would have been filled with rage and would have to react. Misty was persuaded to keep quiet about what ever the cover up is by getting what she wanted, married to RC!

JMO and my 1st post!

periwinkleblue, good point.

IF RC heard M. was not at the trailer at 10:00 pm it's just no way he would have stayed at work, till quitting time, let alone work overtime and then stop at the store after work, for peanuts and smokes.

At the very least, after the 8:30 argument and then hearing M. was not at the trailer at 10:00, I suspect he would have driven back to the MH on his dinner break to find M. and see where the children were.

Something is wrong with this picture.

What IF the 8:30 conversation was not an argument but, about something that had already happened? possibly deciding on a 'story'.

 

[sleepingheart]

Since day one and hearing RC on the 911 call, something is off. It seems to me that he is in control of Misty and has always been in control of the situation. I do not know how or what happened, but I think a cover up by RC began while he was at work. If he knew she wasn't home, there is no way he would have calmly continued to work. He would have been filled with rage and would have to react. Misty was persuaded to keep quiet about what ever the cover up is by getting what she wanted, married to RC!

JMO and my 1st post!

I agree totally...and


:Welcome-12-june: Periwinkleblue!

 

[febedallas]

If whatever happened was truly an accident, as in TV falling, or accidentally run over-there would have been no need to hide the body and claim a kidnapping. Accidents do happen and we don't usually send people to jail for that. IMO, drugs...then they may have seen a reason to hide the body.

but remember that Misty is a kid herself and probably afraid of Ron, to some degree.

In my job, we see people all the time that will make up a story that sounds plausible to them initially, and they stick with their story, no matter how many holes get poked into it. I can imagine a case where something happened even accidentally and Misty did not want to be held responsible for it. With Misty having been gone for 3 days before, doing goodness knows what, she may have been called irresponsible, among other things.

Even Misty's own parents think that she is hiding something. I think failing 2 polygraphs is also a pretty good indicator.

 

[periwinkleblue]

I totally agree febedallas, she is just a kid, has had a horrible life and is clinging to the one person that tells her he will keep her safe! These 2 are the key.

 

[periwinkleblue]

but remember that Misty is a kid herself and probably afraid of Ron, to some degree.

In my job, we see people all the time that will make up a story that sounds plausible to them initially, and they stick with their story, no matter how many holes get poked into it. I can imagine a case where something happened even accidentally and Misty did not want to be held responsible for it. With Misty having been gone for 3 days before, doing goodness knows what, she may have been called irresponsible, among other things.

Even Misty's own parents think that she is hiding something. I think failing 2 polygraphs is also a pretty good indicator.

I totally agree febedallas! Misty is just a kid, has had a horrible life and is clinging to the one person that tells her he will take care of her. These 2 are the key!

 

[Whisperer]

Yep, Misty is a kid and looks even younger than her age...makes you wonder why a guy in his mid twenties would be hooking up with a sixteen yr old, doesn't it?

 

[suspicious1]

Well, my boyfriend and I just watched another episode of NG and my boyfriend said some interesting things that I would like to share with everyone.

First off, my boyfriend just found out about the 20 calls made to Misty by Ron. His first reaction was "oh, why was it so urgent for him to talk to her?" This is what his theory is:

Ron is involved but no how everyone thinks he his. Maybe Ron got a phone call at work from one of his drug buddies and got wind of someone coming to his house to take back something that belonged to them. Maybe a drug deal gone bad. (Ron reference to his daughter as not being "property" but a human being). Ron panicks and tries to get a hold of Misty but she is not answering her phone. Maybe she thinks Ron is calling her to argue again but these calls were about something totally different. KInda like he is calling to warn her. Ron is so nervous about what might happen that he calls her 20 times! With no luck, he calls Tommy and fills Tommy in on what is happening and suggest that he goes to check on them, and Tommy did just that. Ron didn't call grandma to check on them because he didn't want her caught up in this mess so Ron calls the one person that he thinks may be able to handle the situation. Tommy doesn't know what to expect at the MH so he takes Joe with him (2 is better than 1 when you are up against a couple of drug dealers) Tommy goes to the MH, knocks, and no one answered. Tommy said that he waited around for awhile to see whether or not Misty would answer the door or arrive home. Wait a minute. I would think that the average person, if it was just a routine check up on Misty, would have knocked, gotten no answer and left. Why did Tommy wait around for her? Because whatever Ron told him was warrant enough for him wait around for awhile.

Maybe Misty wasn't home when the drug buddies got there but she slipped up and left the kids there sleep. Haleigh got up in the middle of the robbery and they took her. Maybe they took her because they knew she could identify them and couldn't risk the chance. IDK. Misty returns home unaware as to what has happened to Haleigh. She gets home right before Ron, literally.. She doesn't know what is going on. I think if LE would've given Misty a lie detector test right then she would've PASSED IT. I think at that point she really didn't know what had happened. But Ron knew what was going on.

Misty had to stick to her story that she was asleep because she had indeed left the MH. That was the first lie she told to Ron about that night, so in fear of Ron she had to tell the same story to LE. From the day Haleigh disappeared up until Misty took the lie detector test Ron filled her in on what was going on. That's when the cover up began. They both have ties in this. Misty for not being at the MH and Ron for being the reason the guys were there in the first place. I also believe that Ron told his mother what really happened which is the reason she protects Misty. Because Misty protects Ron. She stands behind her man and that's why in TN eyes Misty is a good woman, like a saint.lol Misty is doing all this lying for her son.

Whatever is going on Ron has a part in it. And I think the truth will hurt Ron more than it will Misty. That's what I think brought on the ratgate incident. Dead Rat..meaning if you tell you die? Misty family is mad because Misty is going along with BS and there is no doubt in my mind Hank filled mom in on what Ron called and said that night. They were worried about Misty which could be the reason for the non emergency police call. They were expecting something to happen? and at the time of that call there was no real emergency or they would've called 911. But after that call something did happen and Misty is out, with her cell phone off..knows nothing. All of this went on without her knowledge.

My boyfriend isn't the brightest crayon in the box but something about his theory just seems possible to me.

Misty account is true except for being there in the MH. What she meant to say was "I left at about 10p-but when I got home all I saw was a 3. Just so happens it's moments before Ron arrives home. When she walks through the door after being out, she notices the kitchen light on, and immediately notices the back door cracked and knew the door was locked when she left (not when she went to bed). She then runs to the bedroom looking for the kids and notices Haleigh is gone. And that's all she knows.

No doubt that it wasn't random. But they both, Misty and Ron, have something to do with this.

 

[texasmommy39]

IMO Haleigh’s dissapearance was planned and initiated by family member’s There seems to always be a hidden agenda in the midst of the drama, trauma, and accusations.
There has been more mud slung at Misty and Ron Cummings than on anything else in this case. I agree, in an attempt to establish a timeline one has to look at every piece of the puzzle that has any relevance to this case. I believe Misty’s life is pretty much an opened book and not to hard to figure out. She has made her share of poor choices and mistakes. Misty’s circle of friends seems to be another poor choice. One of them is not only Ronald’s ex girlfriend but also Crystal’s cousin. with friends like these who needs enemies? Has Misty’s friends helped to set her up? It sure seems like it! Misty certainly has been dubbed as the scape goat. After all, she is the last one to see Haleigh before she was abducted.
http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/20/haleigh-cummings-case-party-girls-busted-ronald-cummings-bolo/
http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

 

[faefrost]

Just as a counter thought to Ron's 20 calls to Misty. If rumors informants and inside sources are to be believed (and they usually do have a fairly high degree fo truth behind them. They may get some details wrong, but they normally get the generalities pretty close).

Misty has spent the previous 3 days out of the house on a party bender. The assumption is possibly booze and pills. Ron had just managed to get her back to the house. Ron and Misty had a fight on the phone where Misty wanted to leave to go babysit some other children. Ron refused to allow her to do this, probably because he suspected that it was an excuse to go out and party some more. After that Ron was not able to locate Misty to determine if she had left the house to go out and possibly party (or babysit, although I get suspicious when there are no corraborating reports of who she wanted to babysit for). He is concerned and pissed that she has possibly gone off to resume her activities when he at the very least wants her watching his children, and he hopefully, wishes her to not do the drugs and booze etc. Regardless this is not something that he could leave work to investigate. He doesn't know that she is out of the house, he doesn't know that the kids are or aren't properly supervised, and there really is no way to explain to a boss or supervisor that you have to leave early because you think your underage girlfriend may have run off to party and abandoned your kids. This tends to be the sort of conversation that leads one to the unemployment office and multiple unpleasant interviews at child protective services. So he calls repeatedly trying to locate her.

I think if Ron has any part in it, it is after the fact. The failure to be truthfully forthcoming about what he does know, and about the behavior of others involved.

 

[Baznme]

Well, my boyfriend and I just watched another episode of NG and my boyfriend said some interesting things that I would like to share with everyone.

First off, my boyfriend just found out about the 20 calls made to Misty by Ron. His first reaction was "oh, why was it so urgent for him to talk to her?" This is what his theory is:

Ron is involved but no how everyone thinks he his. Maybe Ron got a phone call at work from one of his drug buddies and got wind of someone coming to his house to take back something that belonged to them. Maybe a drug deal gone bad. (Ron reference to his daughter as not being "property" but a human being). Ron panicks and tries to get a hold of Misty but she is not answering her phone. Maybe she thinks Ron is calling her to argue again but these calls were about something totally different. KInda like he is calling to warn her. Ron is so nervous about what might happen that he calls her 20 times! With no luck, he calls Tommy and fills Tommy in on what is happening and suggest that he goes to check on them, and Tommy did just that. Ron didn't call grandma to check on them because he didn't want her caught up in this mess so Ron calls the one person that he thinks may be able to handle the situation. Tommy doesn't know what to expect at the MH so he takes Joe with him (2 is better than 1 when you are up against a couple of drug dealers) Tommy goes to the MH, knocks, and no one answered. Tommy said that he waited around for awhile to see whether or not Misty would answer the door or arrive home. Wait a minute. I would think that the average person, if it was just a routine check up on Misty, would have knocked, gotten no answer and left. Why did Tommy wait around for her? Because whatever Ron told him was warrant enough for him wait around for awhile.

Maybe Misty wasn't home when the drug buddies got there but she slipped up and left the kids there sleep. Haleigh got up in the middle of the robbery and they took her. Maybe they took her because they knew she could identify them and couldn't risk the chance. IDK. Misty returns home unaware as to what has happened to Haleigh. She gets home right before Ron, literally.. She doesn't know what is going on. I think if LE would've given Misty a lie detector test right then she would've PASSED IT. I think at that point she really didn't know what had happened. But Ron knew what was going on.

Misty had to stick to her story that she was asleep because she had indeed left the MH. That was the first lie she told to Ron about that night, so in fear of Ron she had to tell the same story to LE. From the day Haleigh disappeared up until Misty took the lie detector test Ron filled her in on what was going on. That's when the cover up began. They both have ties in this. Misty for not being at the MH and Ron for being the reason the guys were there in the first place. I also believe that Ron told his mother what really happened which is the reason she protects Misty. Because Misty protects Ron. She stands behind her man and that's why in TN eyes Misty is a good woman, like a saint.lol Misty is doing all this lying for her son.

Whatever is going on Ron has a part in it. And I think the truth will hurt Ron more than it will Misty. That's what I think brought on the ratgate incident. Dead Rat..meaning if you tell you die? Misty family is mad because Misty is going along with BS and there is no doubt in my mind Hank filled mom in on what Ron called and said that night. They were worried about Misty which could be the reason for the non emergency police call. They were expecting something to happen? and at the time of that call there was no real emergency or they would've called 911. But after that call something did happen and Misty is out, with her cell phone off..knows nothing. All of this went on without her knowledge.

My boyfriend isn't the brightest crayon in the box but something about his theory just seems possible to me.

Misty account is true except for being there in the MH. What she meant to say was "I left at about 10p-but when I got home all I saw was a 3. Just so happens it's moments before Ron arrives home. When she walks through the door after being out, she notices the kitchen light on, and immediately notices the back door cracked and knew the door was locked when she left (not when she went to bed). She then runs to the bedroom looking for the kids and notices Haleigh is gone. And that's all she knows.

No doubt that it wasn't random. But they both, Misty and Ron, have something to do with this.

This theory is totally plausible to me especially given the behavioural dynamics we've seen up to this point by all mentioned in the above paragraphs, it makes sense. But (my mother always said don't start a sentence with a but........but........the question remains............who took Haleigh?

 

[suspicious1]

This theory is totally plausible to me especially given the behavioural dynamics we've seen up to this point by all mentioned in the above paragraphs, it makes sense. But (my mother always said don't start a sentence with a but........but........the question remains............who took Haleigh?

When my boyfriend told me about his theory, I too, thought that maybe it was drug related. It seems that everyone is protecting Ron not Misty. It was said that Ron had robbed a guy a couple of weeks prior to Haleigh going missing and NayNay witnessed it. If this is true maybe that's why LE brought NayNay back in for questioning right after they questioned Hank and Misty. I think Ron was so distraught in the beginning because he didn't think these guys would go as far as taking his daughter. I also think that the 35,000 needed to get Haleigh back may have indeed been the request of the drug dealer that took Haleigh. Hank knows, Ron knows, TN knows, and Misty's mother knows, and now Misty knows. Misty can't tell everything in fear of Ron getting into a lot of trouble behind this. That could also be the reason everyone on Misty's side of the family is getting out of dodge, not because they fear Ron but they fear the guys that Ron's associated with.

jmo of course

 

[Clock's Tickin]

It seems to me that Ron fears very little. I believe that, if he had any notion of the responsible party/parties, they would no longer be breathing. This, IMO, includes Misty. The dynamics of the relationships in this case are really disturbing. It's like putting a herd of feral cats in a corral--they are all eyeing each other nervously and whoever trips first will be eaten by the rest--they might not even be the guilty party, but tension is just too tight.