Titanic tourist sub goes missing in Atlantic Ocean, June 2023 #2

[KooshBall]

I doubt zip lining and the cave repelling adventures were considered experimental or exploratory like traveling 12,000ft below sea level. I doubt the waivers are comparable. jmo

My point was that I signed it without looking into the business behind it, if they were certified, and if the employees were trained to run it. I just assumed. It's very possible this was the thinking of the father and son. They have a company selling rides to the wreck site, so they could have assumed that it was all safety tested and approved by an outside agency.

 

[Mandalas]

I've seen a post from a journalist on Twitter that one of the search vessels has slowed from 12 knots to 2 and another ship is headed rapidly in their direction. Unverified information but may mean there is a development (noting that it could be a red herring). This was reported 30 minutes ago roughly.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1671734693069312001

 

[LaborDayRN]

I'm heading to bed with a heavy heart. I'll be praying for those on this vessel.

ETA: I just saw the update about the Atalante and other ships. I think I'll be staying up for a while!

 

[Mandalas]

ETA: More vessels headed to the same point.

Can anyone help to look into this or validate the claims? I know nothing about this type of rescue, and also am working so very little time to do any useful research. But wanted to share in case it is a significant development.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1671729881229455360

 

[LadyL]

I've seen a post from a journalist on Twitter that one of the search vessels has slowed from 12 knots to 2 and another ship is headed rapidly in their direction. Unverified information but may mean there is a development (noting that it could be a red herring). This was reported 30 minutes ago roughly.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1671734693069312001

please let this be a miracle

 

[LadyL]

ETA: More vessels headed to the same point.

Can anyone help to look into this or validate the claims? I know nothing about this type of rescue, and also am working so very little time to do any useful research. But wanted to share in case it is a significant development.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1671729881229455360

Penbook45

@penbook45

Those two ships are horizon arctic and Terry. They have the winches to bring the sub to shore


11:53 PM · Jun 21, 2023
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[Shadow@light]

try one finger (dot) and then four fingers (dash)- improvised but....

Thank you, I was not quite sure how to do it. All I could think of was "Shave and A Haircut, Ten Cents".
Sorry (trying to lighten the moment)

 

[KooshBall]

Do you think they bring anti-anxiety medication on board? What if one of the paying passengers thought they could handle being enclosed, but ended up freaking out? Or if they were okay until they realized something went wrong, and then started severely panicking?

 

[Gemmie]

This isn't very far out, unfortunately. That's less than 5 hrs from now. Pray for a miracle.

Yesterday afternoon, the Coast Guard estimated that Titan had fewer than 40 hours of oxygen remaining to sustain life, implying that Supplies will run out by 6am ET on Thursday.

Searchers detected banging sounds every 30 minutes for four hours, according to an internal US government memo obtained by Rolling Stone. To some experts, these noises at timed intervals indicate the crew is still alive. “If you made a continuous noise, that’s not going to get picked up, but doing it every 30 minutes, that suggests humans,”

Time is running out to find missing submersible, but banging sounds heard

Rescuers are racing to locate the OceanGate tourism vessel that disappeared on Sunday.

www.morningbrew.com

 

[Gemmie]

Do you think they bring anti-anxiety medication on board? What if one of the paying passengers thought they could handle being enclosed, but ended up freaking out? Or if they were okay until they realized something went wrong, and then started severely panicking?

My bet is they don't, but I've been wrong before.

 

[Arkay]

I found this Stockton Rush descendent

Titanic | The National Archives

The National Archives' Titanic exhibition commemorates the centenary of the ships' sinking, displaying passenger and crew lists, videos, podcasts and a timeline of events.

www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

You must mean the ancestor, not the descendant, and they are actually the ancestors of Stockton’s wife.

Isidor Strauss was one of the well-known people who died on Titanic. He was one of the owners of the A&S Strauss stores, a landmark department store in NYC, and later was part owner of Macy’s.

I can see that Stockton’s wife therefore had an abiding interest in the Titanic, as her ancestors died there together.

What is heartbreaking is if her husband dies there too, when it was so avoidable, IMO. A beacon, a vivid color to allow visibility if they surfaced, an adherence to industry standards would have allowed them to go with more safety and emergency measures in place.

History Of New York's Abraham & Straus Department Stores - ClassicNewYorkHistory.com

Our History Of New York's Abraham & Straus Department Stores looks back at the history of one of New York's famous Department Stores.

classicnewyorkhistory.com

ETA: on a separate note, I’ve been wondering about deep vein thrombosis.
My friend’s brother-in-law died after a long airplane flight without stretching his legs out enough.
I’m scared any of them could’ve developed DVT from days of being cramped in together without the ability to move and stretch adequately. It’s always suggested on long flights that you get up and walk around if you can, or shake your legs.
Naturally this is far from the only danger they are facing if still alive, but it is another way of dying in there.

 

[Zella]

Yesterday afternoon, the Coast Guard estimated that Titan had fewer than 40 hours of oxygen remaining to sustain life, implying that Supplies will run out by 6am ET on Thursday.

Per the Daily Mail (which I'm not a big fan of admittedly), the oxygen will run out around 7 am Eastern. Just an hour more but that's still another hour something could be done.

Stricken Titan submarine will run out of oxygen at 12:08pm UK time

The window of survival for the five passengers onboard the Titan sub is rapidly closing, with the oxygen supply due to run out at 7.08am ET (12.08pm UK time) today, the US Coastguard said.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Gemmie]

Per the Daily Mail (which I'm not a big fan of admittedly), the oxygen will run out around 7 am Eastern. Just an hour more but that's still another hour something could be done.

Stricken Titan submarine will run out of oxygen at 12:08pm UK time

The window of survival for the five passengers onboard the Titan sub is rapidly closing, with the oxygen supply due to run out at 7.08am ET (12.08pm UK time) today, the US Coastguard said.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The timing is not exact. It's "around" 7am per your DM article, which is about 6am EST as my article says. Actually it says by 6am ET, but that's still "around" 7am. I prefer your timing, it gives them more time if needed.

 

[crhedBngr]

Hopefully, some of them have been sleeping some of the time, thereby lessening their need for oxygen.

I absolutely refuse to give up hope.

JMVHO.

 

[Gemmie]

Per the Daily Mail (which I'm not a big fan of admittedly), the oxygen will run out around 7 am Eastern. Just an hour more but that's still another hour something could be done.

Stricken Titan submarine will run out of oxygen at 12:08pm UK time

The window of survival for the five passengers onboard the Titan sub is rapidly closing, with the oxygen supply due to run out at 7.08am ET (12.08pm UK time) today, the US Coastguard said.

www.dailymail.co.uk

One other thing about the timing... I'd think it would depend on whether or not all are being calm during this ordeal, because if one or more is upset/agitated/hyperventilating.... then the air supply isn't going to last as long. All my unprofessional opinion in this matter.

 

[Lillymac]

This isn't very far out, unfortunately. That's less than 5 hrs from now. Pray for a miracle.

Yesterday afternoon, the Coast Guard estimated that Titan had fewer than 40 hours of oxygen remaining to sustain life, implying that Supplies will run out by 6am ET on Thursday.

Searchers detected banging sounds every 30 minutes for four hours, according to an internal US government memo obtained by Rolling Stone. To some experts, these noises at timed intervals indicate the crew is still alive. “If you made a continuous noise, that’s not going to get picked up, but doing it every 30 minutes, that suggests humans,”

Time is running out to find missing submersible, but banging sounds heard

Rescuers are racing to locate the OceanGate tourism vessel that disappeared on Sunday.

www.morningbrew.com

I am wondering why they don't bang out Morse Code along with the bang. Is that even a possibilty?

 

[Angela_Beckett]

Alan Estrada, a Mexican actor who took the tour last year, said in a interview that there were in fact what could be some kind of anti anx or something aboard
He refers just to some syringes aboard, in case someone went nuts. "Se pusiera loco" his exact words.

“Hay unas jeringas por si alguien se pone loco”: el mexicano Alan Estrada habla sobre equipo de emergencias del sumergible Titán

Estrada participó en el programa Ventaneando, al que dio una entrevista en exclusiva en la que explica la forma en como funciona el viaje y los riesgos que este tienen

www.semana.com

Do you think they bring anti-anxiety medication on board? What if one of the paying passengers thought they could handle being enclosed, but ended up freaking out? Or if they were okay until they realized something went wrong, and then started severely panicking?

 

[LaborDayRN]

Per the Daily Mail (which I'm not a big fan of admittedly), the oxygen will run out around 7 am Eastern. Just an hour more but that's still another hour something could be done.

Stricken Titan submarine will run out of oxygen at 12:08pm UK time

The window of survival for the five passengers onboard the Titan sub is rapidly closing, with the oxygen supply due to run out at 7.08am ET (12.08pm UK time) today, the US Coastguard said.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I have the clock open that was posted way back in the beginning of the first thread. Their currently down to 5 hours & 25 minutes of oxygen.

Online Timer - Countdown - vClock

Set the hour, minute, and second for the online countdown timer, and start it. Alternatively, you can set the date and time to count till (or from) the event.

vclock.com

Of course this greatly depends of how much oxygen is used....

 

[Gemmie]

I am wondering why they don't bang out Morse Code along with the bang. Is that even a possibilty?

I wondered about that myself and asked upthread if the banging was in morse code or not. I haven't seen anything saying it was. It should be IMO! That's not a random banging noise.

 

[gitana1]

It truly is astounding that Titan was not tested or inspected by anyone outside of the company given the extreme and unprecedented conditions it (and its passengers, aka "mission specialists") would be subjected to.

Although OceanGate claimed in a court filing that the University of Washington Applied Physics Laboratory was involved in the design, implementation, and testing of the submersible, a representative of the university said that UW-APL only worked on "shallow water implementation" and did not work on the design or testing of the vessel.

The Marine Testing Society warned OceanGate that their cavalier attitude toward testing was extremely dangerous, and yet OceanGate seemingly ignored their warnings, with the CEO claiming that because the submersible was "experimental" it could not/should not be subjected to outside testing.

Personally, I find the "experimental" argument to be not just appalling, but illogical. If a drug company develops a brand new drug, it doesn't go straight from the lab to patients -- it has to go through multiple rounds of both internal and external tests before it is even approved for clinical trials. So the argument that an "experimental" submersible is suited to carry paying passengers 12,000 feet under the surface of the ocean without undergoing external safety testing just because it is a new design makes no sense. If anything, the fact that it is a new design makes rigorous internal and external testing even more critical.

MOO but I hope that in the future US legislators will mandate that companies based in the US which develop and operate these kinds of vessels for paid tours (IMO this was a paid tour, not a 'scientific' mission as OceanGate passed it off as) undergo extensive external testing throughout the design, engineering, and implementation phases.

But who would regulate that?