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Brief did stand out to me as well.
Found Deceased TN - Eliza "Liza" Fletcher, 34, Abducted while jogging 4:30 am, forced into SUV, Central Ave near Univ of M, personal items found, Memphis 2 Sept 2022
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IIRC I saw one article/tweet or whatever it was that mentioned abductors and another that said a male. I'm foggy though, regardless it's not clear if 1 or 2 perps.. interesting that LE hasn't confirmed either as well as the video it would surely show if 1 or 2. LE is being very strategic it seems.
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Definitely. Scary really. I'm hoping a weapon wasn't used but that seems most likely here.
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So you're thinking opportunistic or sexual predator more than planned? Or if planned, just badly planned?
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I'm the beginning, I was skeptical of a random abduction. Those types of events are incredibly rare, especially considering this woman's victimology (age, lifestyle, etc).
Of course they happen though, and everything we are seeing right now, I've seen in other stranger abduction cases. It looks that way, and it feels that way based on what we know, and how low enforcement is behaving.
So I believe this was a sexually motivated crime of opportunity.
He saw her, he attacked her, he kidnapped her, and you know the rest...
I'm going to throw a couple of things out there, mostly so others can throw rocks at my thinking.
If this was a random sexual assault I find it hard to believe there were 2 guys involved. I say that because it seems highly unsual, although not unheard of for things to happen that way. Those kinds of predators don't seem to work in groups.
It is also unusual for criminals to be out at that time of morning. In college I lived in a pretty bad neighborhood for about a year, bodies in dumpsters, drug dealers, people selling stolen stuff out of the back of their car...but even there it was pretty quiet between about 2 AM and noon.
I am leaning toward a SA by a solo perpetrator. If we find out there were 2 people in the SUV that would cause me to shift more to a targeted attack.
People keep talking about her running speed. I think I heard her previous marathon time was about 8 min/mile and time was about 3:40. That would be race pace for a marathon. We know little about her training routine but it is common to do shorter runs at a little faster pace and longer runs a bit slower. I used to do sprint and Olympic distance triathlons. The Olympic distance took me about 3 hours. Many athletes do routine trainings at about 2/3 their race time or distance then step it up before a race. And for the shorter distance you try to get your pace a little faster. So if she was a marathoner, 2/3 of 26.2/3:40 miles would be 17.5 miles/2:30 and she might have been shooting for a 7 min/mile pace. She was abducted 4.9 miles from home so she would would have been about 35 minutes out. I think the timing fits with a 3:45 alarm and jumping up, pulling clothes and shoes on and getting out a bit early that day. What would not fit is being back for husband to go ride at 5:00. But they clearly coordinated on workouts.
If this was a random sexual assault I find it hard to believe there were 2 guys involved. I say that because it seems highly unsual, although not unheard of for things to happen that way. Those kinds of predators don't seem to work in groups.
It is also unusual for criminals to be out at that time of morning. In college I lived in a pretty bad neighborhood for about a year, bodies in dumpsters, drug dealers, people selling stolen stuff out of the back of their car...but even there it was pretty quiet between about 2 AM and noon.
I am leaning toward a SA by a solo perpetrator. If we find out there were 2 people in the SUV that would cause me to shift more to a targeted attack.
People keep talking about her running speed. I think I heard her previous marathon time was about 8 min/mile and time was about 3:40. That would be race pace for a marathon. We know little about her training routine but it is common to do shorter runs at a little faster pace and longer runs a bit slower. I used to do sprint and Olympic distance triathlons. The Olympic distance took me about 3 hours. Many athletes do routine trainings at about 2/3 their race time or distance then step it up before a race. And for the shorter distance you try to get your pace a little faster. So if she was a marathoner, 2/3 of 26.2/3:40 miles would be 17.5 miles/2:30 and she might have been shooting for a 7 min/mile pace. She was abducted 4.9 miles from home so she would would have been about 35 minutes out. I think the timing fits with a 3:45 alarm and jumping up, pulling clothes and shoes on and getting out a bit early that day. What would not fit is being back for husband to go ride at 5:00. But they clearly coordinated on workouts.
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You know neighbor, we went took this diverging path with BM & SM. You have more experience and insight with similar cases but we shall see! This has an eerie Murdoch feel to it IMO.
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All very good points. We had the same thoughts regarding time etc.
I can't figure out how someone could park, grab someone, get them in the car and drive away without more video footage from the intersection.
I like your methodical approach @KonaHonu.
I was once in a 5k run, very short in comparison. But there was an olympic gold medalist in the race. He was in his 80s and coming off a foot injury. Of course the announcers were all focused on him. I heard them announce he was 1/4 mile out and I was only about 100 yards farther from the finish. I wanted the story! I poured on the coals and even though I was near the end of the race I had trained for, I almost caught up with him and finished about 20 yards behind him.
I tell this story because someone like her, only 5 miles into her run would have had plenty left in her to sprint away from an attacker. I'm not in the camp that she knew her attacker but I don't think she had any reason to be suspicious until too late.
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Everyone's basing her times off a subqualifier from 2019. Has she actually run marathons? Usually this info is found through a basic google search so I don't know what name she's running under. I don't doubt her routine or commitment, that's an absolutely thorough theme throughout her social media (which is all anyone's going by). I think people just like to talk about (or respect) running strategy but a lot more context is needed for it to actually apply here. Why is she running at 3:45; finally training for something? Can't sleep? Blowing off steam? Why does she get home first before her husband rides? Why do they need to alternate if they have a live in nanny? Do they have that? etc.
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Eliza Fletcher Update: Latest Photos Show Police Activity
There was a flurry of law enforcement activity in the Eliza Fletcher abduction case on September 3, 2022, with significant law enforcement activity at a McDonald's parking lot and a southeast Memphis apartment complex.
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Cops search McDonald's dumpster in hunt for missing Memphis heiress
Police in Tennessee have 'detained' a man and located the car being sought in relation to the kidnapping of Memphis billionaire heiress Eliza Fletcher.
Early morning (sun) here in Scotland . Thanks for all the updates not much in UK press at all . Been following case with hope but my heart sank when I checked WS as soon as I woke this morning . Prayers to all concerned.
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Actually it for a female it is 3:30 or roughly 8 minute miles. Of course, that is the bare minimum. She ran an off road race in Millington TN and was the top female finisher - 26K (~16.16 miles) in 2:26:49 or about 9 min miles. BUT that was off road, i.e., not on pavement and unsupported. You can probably knock one and a half minutes off that average on pavement. I wouldn't doubt we're talking about a 7:30 per mile runner.
2021 Swamp Stomper 50k/25k 25K - Results
She runs under "Liza Fletcher". Its not easy to find results but she ran the St. Jude Half Marathon (13.1 miles) in 2017 (2:22 or about 9 min pace) and the St. Jude Marathon in 2018 (3:51:35 or about 8:50 min pace). In 2019 she ran the St. Judes in roughly 3:27 or roughly a 7:53 pace - good enough to qualify for 2020 or 2021 Boston. In 2020 there was no Boston Marathon and she didn't run it in 2021. But given her results in the 2019 St. Jude's she is certainly capable of qualifying. She just had to run a qualifying marathon no earlier than 01 Sept 2021. She didn't run St. Jude's in 2021, but she could have run any one of a number of other marathons after 01 Sept 2021 to qualify.
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Statement from Memphis Police:
The individual who was detained has been officially charged in connection with the abduction of Eliza Fletcher. At this point in the investigation, Cleotha Abston, 38, has been charged with Especially Aggravated Kidnapping and Tampering with Evidence.
Eliza Fletcher has not been located at this time. MPD Investigators and officers, along with our local and federal partners, continue searching for Mrs. Fletcher.
A second individual, currently not believed to be connected to Fletcher's abduction, was also arrested during this investigation. Mario Abston, 36, was charged with Possession of a Controlled Substance with Intent to Manufacture and Sell Fentanyl, Possession of a Controlled Substance with Intent to Manufacture and Sell Heroin, and Convicted Felon in Possession of a Firearm During the Commission of a Dangerous Felony.
This remains to be an active and ongoing investigation.
We continue to ask for assistance from the community. If anyone has any information concerning this investigation, they should call CrimeStoppers at 901-528-CASH.
The individual who was detained has been officially charged in connection with the abduction of Eliza Fletcher. At this point in the investigation, Cleotha Abston, 38, has been charged with Especially Aggravated Kidnapping and Tampering with Evidence.
Eliza Fletcher has not been located at this time. MPD Investigators and officers, along with our local and federal partners, continue searching for Mrs. Fletcher.
A second individual, currently not believed to be connected to Fletcher's abduction, was also arrested during this investigation. Mario Abston, 36, was charged with Possession of a Controlled Substance with Intent to Manufacture and Sell Fentanyl, Possession of a Controlled Substance with Intent to Manufacture and Sell Heroin, and Convicted Felon in Possession of a Firearm During the Commission of a Dangerous Felony.
This remains to be an active and ongoing investigation.
We continue to ask for assistance from the community. If anyone has any information concerning this investigation, they should call CrimeStoppers at 901-528-CASH.
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