greengreen
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Has anyone ever found a map that shows the new road beside the college?
I don't believe there is anything fishy about the family. I do believe possibly the abductor's name is given away in the phone call.
Yet further good reason not to release it. If they knew his name but not his whereabouts (how u spell that?) they would think it important to keep private.. although in most cases when they know who a perp is they plaster his face and name all over because that is the best way to find him.
Then we can go to the concept that they dont want to do that because they have reason to believe it would cause him to do her harm if he were under that kind of pressure.
To me I think they'd show it if the knew him. I think of the case where this guy takes off with a 14yo girl and they cant find them. They put it all over and found them shortly afterward (but who knows)?!
I'll say it again, cuz I couldn't even guess where my post was on it....
It's not possible that there was no scent there, just that the dogs couldn't work their way out of all the other trails. By that I mean it's her house, there are scent pools belonging to her all over the place. Now it's an issue of training and LE K9 aren't generally trained for this kind of personal contamination (meaning the dozens/hundreds of "trails" that she made all over the property everyday she walked out of the house).
LE has never said which direction they were headed. In my head I thought the back, simply because woods are normally behind your house. However their house is wooded all around. So I have no idea.
I didn't see her at the Coon Hunt but that does not mean she was not there. There were thousands of people there.
FWIW I believe she is alive and so does everyone that I have talked to here. It's such an odd feeling.
Something that would make you look at things differently.Question..what does the term "gamechanger" mean?
Couldn't a/the dog follow the most recent scent trail though?
Has anyone ever found a map that shows the new road beside the college?
Yes, hopefully, but you'd be surprised how many cases you read where the dog just can't get off the property (actually there are several on WS that show this problem). It's tough, and it requires a lot of training, continuous practice and it's not something you test on, so....
Okay, here's something I just scooped...
The hands and knees search was NOT at the UT Parsons campus location. It was between the Eaton Street plants and the UT Parsons, just North of what Google maps describes as McKensie Tree Service and just South of McMurray Road.
Look at this image of the searchers on their knees.
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Now look at this one from Google Street View screen capture http://maps.google.com Type in, 2141 Tennessee Ave N Parsons, TN then go to Street View...
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I'd say the locations are the same.
I find Helms's statement amazing.
It wasn't said that, "To my knowledge, we have no proof that Holly is alive or not."
The statement was, "To my knowledge, Holly has not been found."
Now, what are we to take from this?
Wanted to add-LE K9 aren't often trained in car trailing either (actually alot of SAR dogs aren't either), so if she got into a car that could hamper their abilities.
This is all just speculation mind you. I wasn't there and haven't seen any footage of the dogs working, so I can't say what they actually did or didn't do, just going off of what has been in MSM.
I don't believe there is anything fishy about the family. I do believe possibly the abductor's name is given away in the phone call.
Okay, here's something I just scooped...
The hands and knees search was NOT at the UT Parsons campus location. It was between the Eaton Street plants and the UT Parsons, just North of what Google maps describes as McKensie Tree Service and just South of McMurray Road.
Look at this image of the searchers on their knees.
Now look at this one from Google Street View screen capture http://maps.google.com Type in, 2141 Tennessee Ave N Parsons, TN then go to Street View...
I'd say the locations are the same.
I don't know if it's worth looking at the direction this perp seemed to move in or not. I roughed out this map and the trail looks like an upside down U http://i52.tinypic.com/20k7jiw.jpg
I have no idea if I can make sense here, but Im gonna throw it out there:
Route 1 (Upside down "U") as you say:
If he went this way, then ended up back down 69 to get to the HWY (412) then he is likely from here, or he left Holly behind (God forbid) because if he was trying to get to 412 with her it makes more sense to just go the other way initially from her house.
Either way if he wanted to leave (I40 or 412) it doesnt make sense that he would make this circle. At least not and take Holly with him.
There are plenty of extenuating circumstances that could be interjected here, but if I dont keep it simple I may as well not speculate.
I think he went,
Route 2 (Right-side up "U"):
The police likely had some clue he headed "south" as this is where they setup a roadblock to look for witnesses.
If the item dropped near the school was her phone it makes sense to thow it there and to throw it first. I'm not so sure it was her phone, but if it was it makes sense to throw it there if you knew she went near there a lot.
Now he's gotten some distance and away he goes over to Gooch Rd, stops and throws more there.
Why I dunno. Why 2 places? Why lunchbag there?
If he wants to take her farther north, why pull out here? Etc...
Truth is I speculate a bit, but none of this helps except I try to find reason in there to give me hope she is still local and alive, but its really worthless improvisation!
>>I dunno what I did wrong with that quote but its all messed up<<