trial day 34: the defense continues its case in chief #97

[G&AMom]

Still catching up on the previous thread......
Can someone explain to me what whether or not Jodi and Travis had or didn't have sex that day has ANYthing to do with premeditation???

It doesn't. I think the pondering on this issue, just like wondering why the roommates didn't notice the smell, is part of everyone's efforts to understand exactly what happened that day. We want to visualize what occurred. It's the average person trying to understand the actions of JA, who might as well be from Mars.

 

[Nosey Parker]

I hear you, and believe me when I say it pisses me right off to pick up this tab with my tax dollars. That being said... We are a civilized nation that must afford a fair trail before putting dirty rotten slutty killers to death. I want her to get the death penalty, not because I look forward to all the stalling that goes on in the wake of it... but because she is desperately trying to avoid it.
I also get the anger towards Nurmi and Willnot. It's a dirty job, but somebody's gotta' do it.

Somebody does have to do it, but they should do it with the truth, not bending, manipulating and hiding the true facts, and destroying the reputation of a dead man, with no other evidence than the words of a proven liar - their client.

If the defendant is innocent, there is no need to distort the facts. Tell the truth!

 

[Rosebutter]

BBM. This is what truly gets me going. All the unpreparedness, going in circles, constant sidebars....the more they can drag it out, the more they get paid. Nurmi got his private practice salary so he stopped trying to get off the case once that happened. All that uselessness yesterday was just more money in their pockets.

ETA for that price I would love to have Baez come in and take on Juan. Everyone hates him (I have no use for him myself) but he got his client off, and he is good at what he does (which is being slimy, smarmy, ICKY). I would just rather have a more even playing field since I (a taxpayer, one of hundreds of thousands) am footing the bill for defense-and her defense is so sub-par it isn't even funny. I want my money's worth and I am NOT getting it with this team!

I do think the CA trial would have turned out far differently had they found Caylee's body before all the flesh was gone. Had they been able to determine how she died in autopsy, Baez and CA's story may not have added up for the jury. Had they found her little body with the throat slashed, for instance, CA would have been convicted. As it was no one could prove or disprove their last little lie, that she drowned.

 

[Venom]

I keep seeing BBM in people's posts and can't figure out what it's supposed to stand for. What is it?

 

[Angelina Frost]

JA is innocent people and their sympathizers say that if she was planning on shooting him, she would have done it as soon as he opened the door and not waited to have sex with him. To them, it proves that something happened to provoke her.

Predicated solely on the testimony given by a documented liar/stalker/socio on trial for her life. Amazing how easily people are led.

 

[SunDawnn]

I didn't think I disliked Gus anymore then I have. I was proven wrong.

He makes me sick. I feel so sorry for his daughter and her mother.

Here's another photo you may want to add to your signature collection. Too bad it's not a gif-- to really capture the essence of Nurmi-decorum.

 

[redkatrampant]

I keep seeing BBM in people's posts and can't figure out what it's supposed to stand for. What is it?

Bolded By Me

 

[Southern_Meadow]

I keep seeing BBM in people's posts and can't figure out what it's supposed to stand for. What is it?

Bolded By Me

 

[Snoopy1]

IF they did have sex, to me it makes what she did worse, having sex with TA then shooting and stabbing them 29 times (whichever one thinks came first). And lets not forget not once she has expressed sorrow or regrets over his death, even IF it was self defense she would be expressing remorse that she HAD to kill him. idk

I do and will believe they had sex that day.

With the picture of her rear, that is evidence of RECENT anal penetration, coupled with the KY on the bed, and TA flaccid on the bed and a reddness on his groin, they most definatley had sex that day.

JMO

 

[zaza]

I'm reading all these posts regarding whether JA will be convicted of premeditation and arguments concerning the sequence of events and how that will or may play into the jury's decision to convict on premeditation - well, I'd just like to point out that the most damning thing related to premeditation is Travis Victor Alexander's post-mortem body. It's so obvious that the amount of force she used was uncalled for and she could have gotten away unharmed, if indeed she was in fear for her life from his "threat".
First of all, she was fully dressed, he was naked and dripping wet from the shower. She could have run out the door and raced out of the house - I doubt he would have followed her naked, dripping wet, out of the house, let's face it, this is the most logical thing to do.
Travis' body is proof of overkill. I don't think JA and her defense team have proven or will prove that her overly aggressive, violent actions, her butchering of Travis - the defensive wounds on his hands, the stab to the heart, the gunshot to head, the stabbing wounds close together on his upper back - STABBING IN THE BACK!- for heaven's sake, there was no reason to kill him unless she planned it before hand. I just don't think the jury will ignore the enormous injustice Travis was subjected to at the hands of Jodi Arias - because in fact, it's all about the victim. Put his bludgeoned body next to all the other facts - the stolen gun, the rented car, the cell phone calls, the lies, hiding the car, the license plate, the trip to Utah, the voice mail left on TA's phone, and the camera in the washing machine....etc. PREMEDITATED.

 

[Arishia]

JA is innocent people and their sympathizers say that if she was planning on shooting him, she would have done it as soon as he opened the door and not waited to have sex with him. To them, it proves that something happened to provoke her.

For their sake, I hope no grifters are finding out who they are, because they are pretty darned susceptible, ie: easy marks.
ETA: Gullible is a better word. (I need coffee.)

 

[Callisto]

I keep seeing BBM in people's posts and can't figure out what it's supposed to stand for. What is it?

It stands for bolded by me! Haha. I had no clue for a while and I work in the health field where we refer to BMs often... Big BM made the most sense til I asked!

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[scorpio24]

JA is innocent people and their sympathizers say that if she was planning on shooting him, she would have done it as soon as he opened the door and not waited to have sex with him. To them, it proves that something happened to provoke her.

Yeah, he told her to go on her merry way to Utah and get out of his life! :moo:

 

[Observer in AZ]

About the cost of defense, I know everyone is tired of hearing this but this IS a death penalty case. You want her put to death but you don't want the state or her attorneys to spend the money and time necessary to ensure her defense is presented IN ITS ENTIRETY to the people empowered to take her life? I know everyone is frustrated by how long it is taking, I am too, but let's try to have some perspective.

Oh I agree let's make sure we don't have JA Trial part Deux!

But I'm sorry I'm a coupon queen a Baroness of bargains I think we could do it at half price! Not to get O/T but this is prime example of milking government contracts ie $500 ashtrays & $20 screws!!! JMHO!

 

[popsicle]

:doh: I'm embarrassed to admit that curiosity got the best of me the other night and I tuned in to HLN After Dark to see just how Baez would go about defending Jodi.

Of course, it sounded much like his closing argument in CA trial - yes, she's a liar, hate her for lying but don't convict, lying is a clear indication that she's not guilty, she was scared to tell the truth for fear nobody would believe her which is what happens to battered women, yada...yada...yada.

His defense team argued to forget about the lies and focus on the blood evidence, which tells a story that she was fighting for her life in close quarters because most of the blood evidence was at the end of the hallway.

I seriously wanted to jump thru the tv and strangle him!

Apparently, he forgot that she cleaned the shower with the plastic cup (hence, no blood evidence there) and the shower was running throughout the murder (washed away other blood evidence), and he never even commented about the blood around the sink. :banghead:

That'll teach me...LOL

When he stated that there was no blood between the bullet and the end of the hallway...and her hand print so low on the wall showed she was fighting for her life, that is when I turned it off. lol

 

[Clue Finder 55]

Jodi Arias new story about how it all happened.

Travis didn’t want to take the chance that I might accidently hurt myself with his gun so when I was doing the shower shoot he had the gun in the shower with him.

As I was taking pictures he had water running in his eyes and he went to pick up the soap from the soap ledge and accidently picked up the gun and as he was going to lather up his head the gun went off and he hot himself. (Remember he thought it was the bar of soap).
The loud bang hurt my ears so much.

He then staggered to the sink from the shower and seen the knife lying on the counter.
He was a little discombobulated from the gun shot to the head.
But at least he kept telling me we would still get married.
Then I really think he was going into some kind of fog after that or maybe it was just steam from the shower.

Then as he was walking away from the sink with the knife in his hand he slipped and fell right on the knife.
He kept standing and falling on the knife because the floor was so wet.
I never saw anything in my life like that (standing, falling, standing falling.

By now he had stabbed himself so many times by accident he was crawling and begging me to end his life because he knew he was going to die so I took the knife away from him and cut his throat to help him so he wouldn’t suffer more.

Not wanting to leave his house a mess I tried to clean it up as best I could but I couldn’t stay long as I had a date in Utah that I had to keep.
I think I might have accidently thrown the camera in the wash with all the bedding.
Good thing I deleted all the pictures from the camera so is friends and cops wouldn’t know he was such a klutz.
I’m sure glad I don’t have PDST or people might have thought I did it.
Anyway I better get going as I still have the date with my new boy friend in Utah.

I think this is as good a story as I have told so far and it’s the truth (swear to god).
I just can’t figure out why I was arrested by the mean detective Flores—I think he’s secretly in with that prosecutor Martinez and they are trying to frame me( planting all that evidence wasn’t very nice of them.

At least I got to almost have sex with that nice Mr. Ryan man so my trip wasn’t a total waist.
Anyway I’ll be out in a year or two and I’ll find me a brand new boy friend but I sure hope he isn’t clumsy like my last boy friend.
Bye for now Jodi.

This story is about as believable as the one she is telling the jury now.
I have faith the jury will see through all her lies and make the right decision.
I think the common sense test is the only test that should be done in her case.
If the jury does not find her quilty then the government should start recruiting jurors from elementary schools.

 

[TigerBalm]

I keep seeing BBM in people's posts and can't figure out what it's supposed to stand for. What is it?

BBM= Bolded by me

 

[LadyEdith]

I'm glad I'm not the only one that does that with laundry :rocker:


Good afternoon, everyone!


You poor people that live in Arizona are being billed $823,000 for the trial so far.

:what:

I think if Travis' family could buy back his life for that amount they would consider it cheap. Unfortunately they cannot. It doesn't seem as wasteful if we think about it as buying justice for Travis, not buying a trial for Jodi.

JMHO

 

[Snoopy1]

Here's another photo you may want to add to your signature collection. Too bad it's not a gif-- to really capture the essence of Nurmi-decorum.

uke:

 

[Veritas_Vita]

I just have to rant a bit, then feel free to throw stones at me.

I've seen JA referred to on WS as the 15 year old BJ queen, *advertiser censored*, etc. IMHO, it's not relevent. There are plenty of *advertiser censored* who don't kill.

Also, when we start judging people on what age they started having sex, what type of sex they have, etc., it's kind of a slippery slope. There can be rape victims whose sexual history should not be admissable.

Believe me, I see how the DT introduced JA's sexual experience as a way to somehow distort Travis' sex life. So I know sexual acts are a part of this case and will be discussed here. I just think the name calling about it stupid.

Judge JA because she is a stone-cold murderer, not because she has an extensive sexual history that began at age 15. :twocents:

*runs and ducks for cover*