Exhibit #557 . . . (audio)
later interviews with her . . . . trouble sleeping
because of her hypervigilence she would be disturbed by the noise - the noise was troubling her sleep - in the past she could sleep through anything . . .
which is D1 - no trouble sleeping or falling asleep
her personal space needed to be left clear - when someone got too close to her she would feel invaded . . . the sounds or the brightness of the lights were brighter than they need to be
she meets the criteria for hypervigilence . . . . . lights seemed very bright to her . . . she didn't have difficulty falling or staying asleep . . .. that is what I said.
objection - overruled
you talked to us about the noise - made her be hypervigilent
not just @ night - during day as well . . . example of her being hypervigilent
she still had no difficulty falling or staying asleep
correct
exaggerated startle response - did not find that - NO
even though - in light of what we talked about - there has to be 2 of these . . .
based on your 35 yrs experience and having spoken with JA - still find section D has been met
yes
another section C requires 3 out of 7 but I found 5
all right
lets talk about C - (JW is whispering to JA . . . JA doesn't look happy)
#7 - a sense of forshortened future
feelings of suicde
she indicated since this happened and she was aware of what had gone on her plan was toeventually kill herself
not a new thing - thought of before
she may have before -but this became an overwhelming thought and plan for her - somehow she would take her life before going to court - doesn't mean she didn't think of it earlier in her life - this became dominant
I asked you whether it cannot be present before the trauma (he reads from DSM) not present before the trauma . . . she made statements willing to commitsuicide in high school - told MM she would commit suicide . . .
in journals whether it was no big deal or negative she was talking about suicide (juror question) fro teen years to MM - 3 different incidents she is talking about sucide . . . yes but reasons differ - yes but outcome remains same - she wants to commi suicide . . . those 3 or 4 don't matter only the ones after 6/08 . .
this became an obsessional plan for her to do away with self before trial . .. never on suicide watch no - she never had a plan . . . .only her word - no steps to do this
C6 - restricted range of affect - for example . .. . also called unable to have loving feelings (given as an example) . . . you found this one too .. . I did find that one
restricted range of affect - in her conversations with me - she did not show emotions to me (range) related to subject matter (ie: smile, laugh, giggle) in context . . .. did review conversations with detective - @ times she was seen giggle . . .situational determined in my conversation with her - specifics of the crime - her affect did not modulate the way I would expect someone to talk about the death of someone close - not followed thru with an emotional response we would normally see with other clients - . . .
a loved one who died or killer talking bout their killing?
doesn't matter - affect was blunted . . . . their affect/emotional states that a trained professional would determine is appropriate for the content
unredacted interview w/48 hrs with JA . . . she is smiling when talking about certain things with TA . . .before she admitted she killed TA . . .
she built up defense mechanism . . . she created an alternative universe . .. . it didn't exist - later when she admitted killing TA - she was blunted
so the lie is called an alternative universe?
because she was lying about it at that point - all this give and take with reporter is lying alternative universe
a psychological defense mechanism to deal with what really happened - almost like dissociative identity disorder . . . you didn't diagnose her with that . .. no I did not - I did not keep that diagnosis - I was usin it as an example - let's not talk ABOUT things that don't apply
you saw her giggle and laugh on 48 hrs . . . .but later on when she changed her mind and told the truth she did not have appropriate affect
blunted affect - she would giggle an laugh with her relatives . . .. i don't know how she interacted with her family
but you didn't interview her mother and was not present during altercations and you still talk about it and considered in your eval.
page 478 - I have highlighted it for you - she would laugh when she would call relatives . . . you read this before .yes . . . not a blunted affect . . . .giggle appropriately.
in light of everything we talked about you still find C6 factor . . . . blunted affect
#5 - feelings of detachment or estrangement from others
talking about she reported feeling state of unreality - not tuned in/detached from reality - looking @ reality as observer - foggy/unclear unable to clue in to going on around her
that is part of it -
It says "from other" . . . . what others she felt estranged from others
othersin the jail - fogginess
never been in jail before
true
have difficulty relating to others when first going to jail . . . . not a stretch to have feelings f detachment or estrangement from others
still meets criteria
based upon your experience
#? No I did not
#544 - C3 & c6 - initial typographical
you saying someone else's fault when this report came out?
no my fault - some of it was typed by myself, and some by someone else . . . . some sections I would type myself, some dictation software . . . someone else - I take responsilibyt of the content
inability to recall an important aspect of the trauma . . . . C-3 - the amnesia - the dissociative amnesia - the fog? no absense of memory , , ,
affect ability recall aspects of trauma
yes but memory and recall . . . ???
no scientific test to determine whether a person had amnesia
there probably are . . . . but not in this . . .
hook up to a machine?
there might be a way to scan and brain . . ..
experimental and not available to us @ the time practically speaking no
nothing else to look @ to tell us that she is being truthful . . . .we can look @ the journals but your expertse would have to be called in . . .
PTSD is like a crater -event was anxiety - meteor came in . . . people can go and look @ a crater - yes . .. . gaping indentation@ the earth - you can't look @ her brain to find indication like that to see evidence of event . . . . .
that is psychology . . . .
I can reply to all reasonable psychological probability . . . .
you don't know - right
I don't think that is what I am saying
crater . . .. look @ crater - pTSD . . . . look @ JA - there is no such crater there - to point @ and say there is the crater she has PTSD
psychology is not that type of science
left @ the mercy of her words
and the other ancillary materals
48 hrs, journals and text messages
can't point to crater
no difference between geology and psychology
Take Noon recess back @ 1:25
