trial day 50: REBUTTAL; #153

[katiedid2]

It is obsessed birthday right?

I love websleuths
Even though I hadn't been active here for a long time. They would always send me a birthday greeting! That is awesome how they keep track of so many members.
Thank you websleuths.

 

[katiedid2]

Where is that darn manifesto?

It's not ready to go the the publishers yet. She's updating and yo know that can take time.:floorlaugh:

 

[Hopeful One]

Hi, all! :seeya:

I've been obsessed with the Boston bombing suspect chase so I haven't been here all day. Have I missed anything important?

 

[norest4thewicked]

ahhhh because she wasn't a real "photographer". Even a real photographer would believe if you throw a camera in the washer with bleach, the camera and memory card would be damaged.


:moo:

I agree that she was nothing more than what "real" photographers call a GWC (guy/girl with camera). These types are ones who buy an expensive camera and think that they can shoot everything on auto and call themselves a professional. Her photography is actually a little below average (of what I have seen) and just like in everything else in her life, she values it far more than what it actually is worth.

 

[coup de grace]

Can someone please expain for me why they keep talking about Jodi possibly having PTSD? What is the signifigance? I personally could care less if she is depressed/anxious AFTER she murdered Travis. I suppose I'd be screwed up too if I butchered someone like that. If I were on that jury, all I would care about is what happened the day of the crime. Who cares about how SHE feels afterwards!!!

Her defense team just keeps thinking the PTSD theory will somehow save her a$$ and the talking heads job is to continually spin the story.

 

[gauntlet]

One of the best things about yesterday, for me was JW and DrD discussing the date of the Hughes emails with Travis. ALV made such a big deal about that letter and I'm so glad the jury findally know the email was from Jan 2007.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

I don't think she's as smart as she thinks she is. There's no such thing as a perfect crime, and even well-organized perpetrators do forget things/can't think of everything (see Leopold and Loeb). But taking a memory card out of a camera doesn't seem to be a big deal, especially for someone familiar with cameras.

Seems to me if she took the memory card out of the camera, it might point to someone who knew Travis. Why would a random murderer need the memory card from a new camera. She threw it in there with the wash to make it seem like someone just threw all evidence in the washer to be wiped clean.

I think she honestly thought the water and bleach would destroy that mem card.The average person would not be able to retrieve those pictures. It took a special forensics lab to pull off those pictures .

Frankly the fact that evidence was put in the washer to be cleaned ,IMO, points to a women. Cannot see a man ever doing that. He would take everything with him, don't you think?

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Yep. Men are generally fair game here it seems when it comes to.endorsing stereotypes, as are people with mental illness. As you once said, substitute either of those statuses with race or the like and it wouldn't be welcome...

 

[GoAskAllie]

Einstein, she ain't.

While many balk at calling her a photographer, by her own account, she LOVED taking pictures of herself. Einstein or not, I don't doubt that she knew enough about cameras to figure out the delete function without too much trouble. The camera was also new to Travis, so I can imagine her attempting to score bonus points with him by offering to help him figure it out. Who knows, maybe that's the little carrot she dangled to get him to say yes to her stopping by en route to SLC.

 

[SamuraiPie]

ahhhh because she wasn't a real "photographer". Even a real photographer would believe if you throw a camera in the washer with bleach, the camera and memory card would be damaged.


:moo:

Perhaps--but professional or layperson, I still think you would take the memory card, just to be safe! In JA's words, "[That] will never sit right with me."

 

[Southern_Meadow]

Hi, all! :seeya:

I've been obsessed with the Boston bombing suspect chase so I haven't been here all day. Have I missed anything important?

No. A closed door hearing going on with attorneys and JSS right now, but we don't know what it's about.

 

[MidwestMama]

While we're on the topic, something to entertain you all while waiting for the day's developments--a handwriting analysis of JA done by a psychologist and handwriting expert. Plato said handwriting is a guide to personality, and I concur. This analysis was done in January, well before JD's public diagnosis of BPD:

Jodi Arias Murder Suspect - Handwriting Analysis - YouTube

Thank you for that link! Very interesting!

 

[mikeysmommom]

For anyone interested in JA MMPI-2 "elevated" scores on the 10 Clinical scales. She was elevated on 7 of the 10 clinical scales.

I was most interested in the one she was the most elevated on and thought you might be too. Her T-score on the Psychopathic Deviate scale was a 105 (highest of all of her elevated scores) with 65 being the threshold for clinically significant. If you want to research the scales the developer of the test is Pearson.

Psychopathic Deviate (PD)- Hathaway & McKinley (1944). (50 items). High: Poor impulse control, disidentification with societal standards, authority conflicts, marital and family conflicts, inconsiderate, narcissistic, poor judgment, extroverted, self-confident, hostile, parasitic and externalizes blame. Low: Overly conventional and conforming, passive, trusting and non-competitive. Pd is a great characterlogical scale of narcissism, externalization of blame, exploitiveness, and hostility. The subscales for Pd are very important in understanding elevations in Pd. Elevations in Pd can be due to a hostile, exploitive and truly psychopathic mentality, or moderate elevations can be an extroverted normal going through a divorce, or a normal teenager. If Pd-O is greater than Pd, then the more pathological interpretations should be used. If Pd-S is higher than Pd, then the more benign interpretations should be used. It is helpful to also look at the content scales of anger, authority problems, family problems etc. to help understand elevations in Pd.

I know scales need to be seen globally as well as individually, yet I do not understand why this scale was not discussed in detail/ad naseum IMHO.

Thank you so much! I stayed up almost all night trying to figure this out!Thank you again very important info!

 

[Angelina Frost]

3) Was Clancy deemed not credible by the jurors? Please let me know if I missed something! If so, Clancy could easily be switched out by another character witness for Travis, or someone else who witnessed JA's cray-cray

4) I think the fact that MM would lie for the defendant is very telling--JM could bring that out on direct. Cross would be a landmine for the defense. Also, I really want to hear more about the secret message in the magazine...

Clancy admitted to being a bit intoxicated during that confrontation with JA. I worry that she may be in trouble if there are any tea totaler types on the jury. It's a risk. If there is alcohol involved....gives me a bad feeling for cross exam.

MM would worry me because he just can't be trusted. I don't know, maybe I'm as crusty as a crab on this one. He just seems like a liability.

 

[Chester_from_THM]

Can someone please expain for me why they keep talking about Jodi possibly having PTSD? What is the signifigance? I personally could care less if she is depressed/anxious AFTER she murdered Travis. I suppose I'd be screwed up too if I butchered someone like that. If I were on that jury, all I would care about is what happened the day of the crime. Who cares about how SHE feels afterwards!!!

The defense needs the PTSD diagnosis to explain JAs 'fog' during the stabbing and neck slitting.

The 'fog' is needed to show it was not premeditated.

I realize it is all utter nonsense, but that is my interpretation of the defense strategy in a nutshell. It would have been better for them, IMO, if they could have taken a fraction of their 47 days to explain it. But as a pro-prosecution observer, I am glad they stretch it out, as it becomes even more unbelievable and inexplicable.

 

[katiedid2]

That was new news I don't think of any of had heard that Jodie had asked or had been offered someone's phone number on her flight back from travis memorial

I hope JW doesn't keep the witness long on the stand. I have no idea why JW takes so long toast questions. It don't take juan that long.


Why is there a hearing going on today' ? NO COURT TODAY?

 

[IMPondering]

CAMERA in the WASHER: JA believed she took care of deleting the photos. The washing machine was used to get rid of DNA. In her compartmentalized thinking after TA's murder - she needed to put that camera in the washer with bleach in order to get rid of the DNA on that camera. She handles it extensively before and after the killing. She has a cut on her finger, her hand is bleeding as she is deleting photos. In order to remove DNA from all of the nooks and crannies, that camera HAD to go In. The. Washer. My Adamant Opinion!!

Yes, Yes, Yes ....simple as that!

 

[Tsunvirtual]

I think (personally) that she reformatted the card - which deletes everything on a SD card. I believe that's her 'superior camera-taking intelligence' working. When she talks about the camera aspects, she's clearly hiding a secret that no one has discovered. All of her behavioral 'tells' indicate glee.

(I am an investigator by profession, besides all of the courses I've taken - after years of interrogation experience, it is second nature to be able to read responses and behavioral indicators of deception and hot-spots).

If she had intended to take the camera with her there would have been no need to delete the pictures before leaving the house. I think she thought what she did was enough to destroy the evidence on the camera. I believe because she was already known to have an interest in taking photographs she thought the missing camera would point directly to her. Ironic how it pointed directly to her anyway.

The camera being left doesn't indicate she wasn't thinking clearly. It only indicates she made a mistake.

 

[JusticeJunkie]

but the sheets were in the dryer. i just don't see how she missed the weight of that camera in the towels and socks, etc. it was found with.

it's just another thing we'll never really know in this case.

kscorn, Is it possible the towels were soaked with either blood or water, making them very heavy? If that's the case, the weight of the camera would not have been noticed.

 

[Sleuth5]

Hi, all! :seeya:

I've been obsessed with the Boston bombing suspect chase so I haven't been here all day. Have I missed anything important?

:seeya: Nope, but it's been entertaining.