trial day 51: REBUTTAL; #158

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I think at this point the jury would have to have a remarkable and illogical belief in coincidences. Jodi would just have to be the most unlucky woman in the world for all this to stack up against her, pointing to premeditation. I mean, of aaalllll the returns that happened that day Jodi's is the one that doesn't show up? And that doesn't even explain the third gas purchase.

This jury isn't stupid.

Juan didn't explore a void possibility because it doesn't make sense. They would not void transaction hours later.

Actually, what I was trying to say is that it is only a void BEFORE the transaction is finalized and paid for. You can't void a transaction that has already been closed. You would have to process it as a return. Once the transaction is rung up, you can't void it anymore. So there is no need to even talk about the voids because there is no way that a "void" transaction for the gas can could have happened here.
 
I think like you do, and I sure hope the jurors do.
As for the DT, what they have done is more than despicable and off the charts, no matter what she told them. I feel certain they see and know much more than we do of this heinous torture/ murder, because they have access to more information than we do. I feel just as certain that JA will NEVER tell them or anyone the truth. Ever.[/QUOTE

I have been feeling the same way.....she is so evil and feels joy in the fact that we wonder how it was done, etc. Just like the Laci Peterson, Drew Peterson, Casey Anthony and so many others. I remember laying in bed thinking what happened to Laci....I still think of it when we go by the Berkeley Marina. It's just so darn frustrating!
 
Because Juan doesn't allow his "compassion" to get in the way of his case.:rockon: Seriously, I don't mean that in a bad way about him.

But I actually thought Nurmi was trying to be a little sensitive because he could see Deanna getting worked up over the questioning. He said a few times that he wasn't trying to judge.

I have to give him a little leeway on that, because I did think he seemed to feel a little awkward about it himself.
awkward?? This is the job he is choosing to devote his life to - getting scumbags off of sex crimes.
He doesn't feel bad about anything except the end of the case and his pennies drying up. Sorry - I should have skipped that post. I detest the man.
 
Because Juan doesn't allow his "compassion" to get in the way of his case.:rockon: Seriously, I don't mean that in a bad way about him.

But I actually thought Nurmi was trying to be a little sensitive because he could see Deanna getting worked up over the questioning. He said a few times that he wasn't trying to judge.

I have to give him a little leeway on that, because I did think he seemed to feel a little awkward about it himself.

I can't cut him a break because he said "I'm not trying to judge" and was gentle at first so she would feel a little more comfortable with him....and then immediately after his gentle questions, he burst into those vulgar questions and was practically yelling them at her. And he ended it with some smart comment that went something like "different relationship" and the judge struck it.
 
Dr. Horn reappearance is a no brainer - lots to rebut following JA's testimony, especially re what TA supposedly did after the gunshot.

Suzie Dittman is a fraud investigator at J P. Morgan Chase. What could she rebut in the defense case? ALV/JA's claim that Travis was borrowing money from a lot of people, including JA? Jodi's claim that he was very upset in the spring about possibly losing his house? Dittman specializes in retail fraud. Could it have to do with JA stealing from her employer? Bogus PPL filings? If proof existed that Jodi had stolen from TA's bank accounts wouldn't that have come in during the prosecution case in chief rather than in rebuttal?

I hope Horn rebuts how that trajectory wasn't possible with Travis doing a linebacker charge on Jodi--unless his head was turned to the side like a swimmer in mid-stroke.
 
Actually, what I was trying to say is that it is only a void BEFORE the transaction is finalized and paid for. You can't void a transaction that has already been closed. You would have to process it as a return. Once the transaction is rung up, you can't void it anymore. So there is no need to even talk about the voids because there is no way that a "void" transaction for the gas can could have happened here.

I know this! That's why there is no need to explore this! Juan covered all his bases.
 
Jodi would say that The Tooth Fairy, Santa Clause, and the Easter Bunny conducted the return transaction of her gas can @ Walmart if she thought anyone would believe it. She is truly a piece of work.
 
Totally agree, but there is point to say ok, the DT is going to appeal regardless of my rulings. Why delay for a surrebuttal? Let's get this going and end it after the Juan's rebuttal. No matter what she decides, the defense is going to file an appeal! And of course we're not privy to the motion for the surrebuttal or the counter by Juan, but imo this is not a strong appeal if she denies. Maybe lawyers could weigh in?

I'd guess she's more concerned that she'll be overturned on her first DP trial, than that they will appeal. Appeals are par for the course.
 
While reading the earlier discussions about the camera it occurred to me that it must have really infuriated her that Travis had been working out to get ready for the Cancun trip he was going on without her.
 
I know this! That's why there is no need to explore this! Juan covered all his bases.

LOL. I wasn't trying to be mean. I'm just really tired. I think it was someone else that kept asking about voids and I was trying to explain and I don't think I was making sense.
 
While reading the earlier discussions about the camera it occurred to me that it must have really infuriated her that Travis had been working out to get ready for the Cancun trip he was going on without her.

Agreed. Also, it REALLY ticks me off that Travis didn't get to go and enjoy that trip that he EARNED with his hard work! GRRRR :stormingmad:
 
I can't cut him a break because he said "I'm not trying to judge" and was gentle at first so she would trust him....and then afterwards he burst into those vulgar questions. And he ended it with some smart comment that went something like "different relationship" and the judge struck it.

I do cut him slack. The questions are only vulgar because they are asked in public, where her mother and bishop can hear the answers. JM asked the same questions of her. And yes, Nurmi did make that comment at the end. I wish it hadn't been stricken because it was true.

It was a totally different relationship. Men and women have different relationships with people all the time. I thought Nurmi was really hammering home that Travis actually loved and cared for Deanna. Jodi? Fling. and Jodi ought to have had the sense Deanna had to realize that Travis wasn't ready for what she was ready for--and LEAVE.

So if anything the questions make Jodi look even worse. I can't blame Nurmi for doing a job that he's been forced by law to do.
 
awkward?? This is the job he is choosing to devote his life to - getting scumbags off of sex crimes.
He doesn't feel bad about anything except the end of the case and his pennies drying up. Sorry - I should have skipped that post. I detest the man.

He may have said those kind sounding words out loud, but his body language and vile line of questioning spoke otherwise. I realize its part of his job, but IMO he really put forth no conscience effort to minimize the blows. He also seemed to be stuck on that youtube video being pornish. The title may sound sexual, but I watched it and its not sexual at all.
 
Exactly, and I think that the DT wanting a sur-rebuttal to oppose Dr. Demarte's testimony will bite the other cheek. I know Dr. D's evaluation is not legally "criminally insane" but it's the DT's ace in the hole if the jury doesn't buy the self defense theory. They sure aren't buying the PTSD or the DV testimony, and they need one juror who may feel sympathy for her being borderline looney.

I agree. I think the DT would do better to leave the diagnosis alone. I thought, when I heard it and who can typically get it, I thought that may be the one thing that saves her from the DP. It almost made me feel sorry for her. They should just let it go. But we know they cannot do that. I get the feeling the experts were Willmott's baby. And she strikes me as someone who HAS to be right and HAS to have the last word.
 
I understand why you don't want to believe that Travis had sex with Jodi on June 4. We can agree to disagree on that point.

I can't remember precisely but in the interrogation tape det. Flores says to Jodi: "We pictures of you two having sex" or "We have pictures of you after you have had sex". One of the two. Either way, I also think they had sex. Travis could've slipped. She was there, naked, willing. People make mistakes. But I don't really care about it too much.
 
Totally O/T here, but I've been curious. What happens when JA's fake breasts have a problem or need surgical attention after she gets sentenced for life or is awaiting the DP? Do they just take them out? I can't imagine AZ tax dollars fixing them if there is a problem, but what do I know?

I think they would just remove them. Maybe they should just go ahead and do it now, call it preventative medicine. :giggle:
 
You're right, didn't she default on her home loan with DB? That would devastate her credit alone. Not to mention that she apparently lived on credit cards, was out gallavanting around on her infamous "road trips" instead of working much of the time. How could she pay off or for anything? The girl was a completely irresponsible idiot.

Lots of homeowners were defaulting on their mortgages in 2005-2006-2008 in California. I really do not think that JA or Darryl Brewer should be put down because they lost their house. I think I will judge her for being a murderer, not for her mortgage default. We bought a house in Victorville, Ca in 1989 for $89,000. Around 2005 I could see that the housing/bubble was about to collapes. We sold our house for $245,000.00 in 2005. Moved to Texas and paid cash for our home here. The housing market was a hot mess when JA and DB lost their home. I had friends in Southern Cal. that were "upside down" with their mortgages. JA murdered TA. IMHO, has nothing to do with some mortgage default. MOO
 
I guess those defending JA are part of her warped fan club.

JA didn't purchase the gas can with her credit card. She paid cash for the can, hair dye, etc. because this was part of her premeditated plan to kill him. She didn't want those items documented on her credit card.

JA had already testified that she received a cash refund and LE retrieved that receipt, so there was nothing for Nurmi to say to defend it.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your question about the void route. Did that make sense?

I don't know that I was asking a question about the void issue. I felt I was bringing it up as an angle that someone could have explored.

I didn't realize, even though I've seen the receipts, that she didn't use her CC. So thanks for reminding me of that!
 
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