TURKEY - George Smith, 26, missing from cruise ship, July 2005

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I thought it was very interesting that the blood stain looked to be in the shape of a body....was it just my imagination or did anyone notice that too?

I have issues with the report of the woman's scream that was heard that night. How strange that the woman heard it but the police officer said nothing about it. I don't think the woman was in the room next door to the Smith's so it would make sense that she heard it but the police officer didn't because the wife screamed in ANOTHER ROOM. Does that make sense? I tivo'd the Current Affair shows and saved them and watched them three times last night (the ones with the police officer's account) and not once does he say he heard a woman scream. Not only that but he heard a woman's voice in the hall which leads me to believe she was taken to another room where she screamed due to: being sexually assaulted? pushed around? whatever?!
 
I would think that "the woman" who screamed would have contacted someone for help if she saw what was happening, or even after the fact. Maybe it wasn't the wife who screamed?????
 
texasgirl said:
I thought it was very interesting that the blood stain looked to be in the shape of a body....was it just my imagination or did anyone notice that too?
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I thought the same thing when I saw the photo on MSNBC. It looked to be in the shape of a body with the legs being very apparent. There was A LOT of blood on that awning, with large pool at one end. I would like to know the actual size of the bloodstain and the awning.

Can anyone confirm that the wife's ex-boyfriend was on the ship? Do we know this for sure?

Did the wife actually wake up in her own room or did she wake up elsewhere? A previous poster mentioned something about someone finding her passed out elsewhere on the ship and waking her up. Is there any truth to this?
 
texasgirl said:
I thought it was very interesting that the blood stain looked to be in the shape of a body....was it just my imagination or did anyone notice that too?

I have issues with the report of the woman's scream that was heard that night. How strange that the woman heard it but the police officer said nothing about it. I don't think the woman was in the room next door to the Smith's so it would make sense that she heard it but the police officer didn't because the wife screamed in ANOTHER ROOM. Does that make sense? I tivo'd the Current Affair shows and saved them and watched them three times last night (the ones with the police officer's account) and not once does he say he heard a woman scream. Not only that but he heard a woman's voice in the hall which leads me to believe she was taken to another room where she screamed due to: being sexually assaulted? pushed around? whatever?!
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Texas, where is the picture of the blood stain posted at, that you saw? Thanks
 
lilpony said:
Texas, where is the picture of the blood stain posted at, that you saw? Thanks
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I saw it on A Current Affair last night but I will try and find a link to the picture....I haven't seen it on the web....

KT Can, I was the one that said something about the wife not waking up in her room. I can't remember which show I saw it on last night as I watched Nancy Grace, A Current Affair, O'Reilly Factor and Greta so I'm not sure. I know this though....the guy that said it was the Correspondant with A Current Affair and the guy's name is Michael, I think. I would almost swear it was on the O'Reilly Factor but I watched tidbits of so many shows last night that I'm not sure.

This is what caused me to come up with the theory that I did though....if she wasn't in her room and was in fact passed out somewhere (not in a room from what I gathered when he said it) it makes much more sense to me.

I will try and find a transcript because I had to rewind to make sure that I heard correctly---and I did!!!
 
Who stands to benefit from his death? Does he have a big insurance policy? Does he have a business that someone wants? Did his parents approve of his marriage? Was the ex-boyfriend really on board? Could it even be faked with someone else being killed and him taking that person's place until the ship docked? Could he now be hiding somewhere until the insurance pays off? Strange, I know, but it has happened before that someone else has been substituted in an accident. Too many questions here, or maybe I have been watching too much TV and reading too many mysteries.
 
texasgirl said:
Hmmm, that quote says that the wife got up and went to the gym. Maybe that guy Michael from ACA doesn't know what he's talking about. ???
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Uh.........I would say that that is one hell of a discrepancy! :eek:
 
The night a newlywed vanished from his honeymoon cruise, the sounds of a loud party were coming from his stateroom, followed by male voices arguing on the balcony and then a “horrific thud,” a fellow passenger says.

No one has been charged, but Connecticut’s top federal prosecutor said Tuesday that the 26-year-old’s disappearance is being aggressively investigated and reports of blood on the ship raise concerns. The comments are the first by a U.S. prosecutor on the case and the strongest indication yet that officials suspect foul play.

O’Connor said investigators were still interviewing passengers and staff from the ship, and he declined to discuss details of the investigation.

Wife not suspected
A Turkish prosecutor told the AP last week that Smith’s wife, Jennifer Hagel, was not suspected in her husband’s disappearance.

The couple had been drinking and gambling at the ship’s casino that night, the prosecutor said. The next morning, he said, Hagel woke up and went to the gym. Smith was reported missing after cleaners found blood in their cabin. There was also blood on the balcony and a hand print on the side of the ship, the prosecutor said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Clete Hyman, a passenger in a neighboring stateroom, described what he heard during the cruise in an interview Monday night on MSNBC’s “Scarborough Country.”

The night Smith disappeared, Hyman said he heard what sounded like a loud party in Smith’s room, then “some very loud arguing out on the balcony.”

Male voices heard
He said he heard several male voices and then noises in the cabin that sounded like furniture being moved. Then, he said, he heard a “horrific thud.” http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8740736/
 
It is probably just the way the picture was taken but is that awning flat? In the picture it looks pretty large and flat. If it is actually flat how could a body get off of it unless it hit so hard it bounced. If it is flat he wouldn't have slid off of it...he would have just laid there. Anyone remember what the awnings are like on the ships?

I heard today that the wife can't remember what happened. This wife was really drunk....earlier in the evening she was hanging out with a table of guys and George got upset because she wouldn't go back over to their table. If she was that drunk and those same guys/or some other guys came to the cabin to party she may have been a willing party to any fooling around. Her and George had been fighting a lot since getting on the ship. Maybe she was going to leave the cabin with one of the guys and George tried to stop her and a fight took place.

It sounds like this is a couple that should have stayed away from the booze.
If she was willing to engage in a little drunken dilly dalling around and George ended upn dead over it that may be why she doesn't remember anything.

I believe that she knows exactly what happened or being so drunk she has a good idea what happened. I remember my drinking days and a few drunks of my own :blushing: :sick: and much to my regret I remember most of what I did or what went on around me :bang:
 
texasgirl said:
I saw it on A Current Affair last night but I will try and find a link to the picture....I haven't seen it on the web....

KT Can, I was the one that said something about the wife not waking up in her room. I can't remember which show I saw it on last night as I watched Nancy Grace, A Current Affair, O'Reilly Factor and Greta so I'm not sure. I know this though....the guy that said it was the Correspondant with A Current Affair and the guy's name is Michael, I think. I would almost swear it was on the O'Reilly Factor but I watched tidbits of so many shows last night that I'm not sure.

This is what caused me to come up with the theory that I did though....if she wasn't in her room and was in fact passed out somewhere (not in a room from what I gathered when he said it) it makes much more sense to me.

I will try and find a transcript because I had to rewind to make sure that I heard correctly---and I did!!!
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I saw it too, TexasGirl. I'm pretty sure it was the O'Reilly Factor. I don't watch Nancy Grace anymore. (The drama and the facial expressions are too hard for me to watch.) Anyway… it was said that the new bride was NOT in the exercise room as had previously been reported. It was like you said, found in another part of the ship and it sounded like he was insinuating she was still drunk. Someone asked her where her husband was and she said she didn't know.

dani
 
texasgirl said:
KT Can, I was the one that said something about the wife not waking up in her room.
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I remember hearing this, too. What I heard is that the next morning, they found her on a deck below, and had to wake her to ask if she knew where her husband was.
 
dani said:
I saw it too, TexasGirl. I'm pretty sure it was the O'Reilly Factor. I don't watch Nancy Grace anymore. (The drama and the facial expressions are too hard for me to watch.) Anyway… it was said that the new bride was NOT in the exercise room as had previously been reported. It was like you said, found in another part of the ship and it sounded like he was insinuating she was still drunk. Someone asked her where her husband was and she said she didn't know.

dani
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Dani, thank you! I honestly was beginning to think I was going crazy and hearing things...:eek:

Oh yeah, and I do agree with you about Nancy Grace although I was a huge fan before I knew about Greta! But when you want information about a case, you'll watch, tivo and rewind ANYTHING (not a big fan of O'Reilly Factor either) to get new information! :innocent:

TexasGirl
 
KT Can said:
I thought the same thing when I saw the photo on MSNBC. It looked to be in the shape of a body with the legs being very apparent.
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That is so odd. If you could see the shape of a body in the blood, that would mean that the person had to have had a lot of blood on them before even going over the railing, wouldn't it? How much blood was found in the room, (or elsewhere)? I only heard about a small bit of blood on the bed, and that they weren't even sure if it was new.
 
JerseyGirl said:
That is so odd. If you could see the shape of a body in the blood, that would mean that the person had to have had a lot of blood on them before even going over the railing, wouldn't it? How much blood was found in the room, (or elsewhere)? I only heard about a small bit of blood on the bed, and that they weren't even sure if it was new.
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Yes, very odd. I too had heard that there was just a small amount of blood found but the picture of the awning tells a completely different story. I wish we knew the measurements of the blood stain and the awning in the photo, then we would at least know if our "body" theory is correct. And you are right, the person would have had to have been covered in blood before going over the railing which would mean that there has to be a lot more blood elsewhere on the cruise ship. Also, where did the body go after falling on the awning? What is the angle of the awning? Is it flat or does it slope towards the water? If the body slid off there should be blood smears towards the edge. Is it possible that the body bounced off? So many questions.
 
Yesterday on either Dan Abram's show or Catherine Crier's show they were discussing the blood. One of the people they had on said that there was at least a quart of blood on the awning and it looked like the body might have been pushed on over. He said in a two story fall there is usually blood around the head area if the person hits on their head but this indicated an artery being cut before the person fell. This picture would not even have been shown if a 16 year old had not taken it. They also said when a person goes missing or is killed on a cruise ship, it is investigated by a group from their damage control department. Their goal is to cover the cruise ship so they don't lose money. From early reports I thought there was only a small spot of blood on the awning. Not this big amount in the shape of a body. Thank goodness the 16 year old took the picture.
 
KT Can said:
Yes, very odd. I too had heard that there was just a small amount of blood found but the picture of the awning tells a completely different story.
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Yeah, I did hear about the blood on the awning, and that it was a significant amount. But how would he have gotten that blood all over him before falling or being thrown over without leaving more blood in the room where an initial assault might have happened, I wonder? Like you said, if he was covered in blood, surely there must have been more blood somewhere. We haven't heard about any being found except for the small amount in the room. I'm now questioning if that small amount in the room might not have been so small after all since the article above states that "cleaners" found the blood in the room. If they found enough to raise their suspicions, maybe it's more than it first sounded to me. Either way, it sounds like Luminol might come in handy. Unfortunately, the way this investigation has been going, I wonder if they would even use it. Has that ship been put back out for cruises or is it sitting somewhere as a possible crime scene?

KT Can said:
Also, where did the body go after falling on the awning? What is the angle of the awning? Is it flat or does it slope towards the water? If the body slid off there should be blood smears towards the edge. Is it possible that the body bounced off? So many questions.
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Good questions. I also wonder if there is any denting around the blood. And the handprint is interesting - I'm curious as to the circumstances of the handprint. Did the person just happen to land that way or was he trying to grab onto something on his way down?
 
Annie said:
Yesterday on either Dan Abram's show or Catherine Crier's show they were discussing the blood. One of the people they had on said that there was at least a quart of blood on the awning and it looked like the body might have been pushed on over. He said in a two story fall there is usually blood around the head area if the person hits on their head but this indicated an artery being cut before the person fell.
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It would certainly seem so because it sounds like way too much blood to have been left behind from a fall.
 
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