TX - 26 dead, 20 injured in church shooting, Sutherland Springs, 5 Nov 2017 #1

[MelmothTheLost]

I apologize if this has already been answered... I haven't caught up yet.

Capitalism is one of the defining characteristics of a first world country. Because China operates on a communistic social and economic system, they aren't considered a 'first world country'.

It's not to do with whether the economic system is socialist or capitalist. It's because they haven't escaped the Middle Income Trap yet and may in practice never do so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_income_trap

Since the end of WWII only a handful of countries have succeeded in doing so - Japan, South Korea and Singapore.

 

[CARIIS]

Was his army time local or did he go somewhere else to serve

what did he do when in the military

we need family dynamics

was he like saving people from like the devil or whatever

or were they the devil etc etc

 

[kittythehare]

I know, I'm the one who posted it. I think somebody should be paying all their expenses for naming him!

However it is appearing that THIS actual killer DPK likely killed his wife and her family in the church.
I'm sure it's an exhaustive process to notify relatives and positively ID people.
Especially if there is no one local left to make the identifications.
After this much time I can't imagine a relative not speaking out and saying they were okay if they were....

Where did the story originate?

 

[MsFacetious]

10 identified... 4 adults, 6 children.

A couple who had been married for 25 years, Bryan and Karla Holcombe, were among those killed in the shooting.

Crystal Champion Holcombe, 36, was killed alongside three of her children, Megan, Emily and Greg, and her in-laws, Bryan and Karla Holcombe, at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs.

Holcombe was 8-months pregnant, her cousin, Nick Uhlig, told The Associated Press. Her husband, John, survived the shooting. Their two other children, including a 3-year-old boy, were wounded and are in critical condition, Uhlig told the San Antonio Express-News.

Joann Ward, 30, and her daughters, Brooke Ward, 5, and Emily Garza, 7, were fatally shot at the First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs, their family told the Dallas Morning News. Ward’s son, Ryland Ward, 5, was shot four times and underwent surgery Sunday. It is not known if he will survive. Another daughter, Rhianna Garza, was not shot.

Annabelle Renee Pomeroy, the 14-year-old daughter of Pastor Frank Pomeroy and his wife, Sherri Newman Pomeroy, was among those killed in the shooting at the First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs, the pastor told ABC News.

http://heavy.com/news/2017/11/suthe...-shooting-victims-list-names-photos-pictures/

 

[MsFacetious]

Where did the story originate?

A local said his name on tv- CBS I believe. It’s in the thread somewhere.

 

[Mountain Misst]

Was his army time local or did he go somewhere else to serve

what did he do when in the military
we need family dynamics

<snip by me for brevity>

"Ann Stefanek, a spokeswoman for the Air Force, confirmed that Kelly was court-martialed in 2012 on two charges of assaulting his spouse and their child. He was confined for a year, reduced in rank to airman basic E-1 and given a bad conduct discharge in 2014, Stefanek said."
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/t...alties-reported-texas-church-shooting-n817751

 

[kittythehare]

A local said his name on tv- CBS I believe. It’s in the thread somewhere.

The local was the Heavy story.. I meant the story that shooter had killed his own family? Thanks.

 

[Mountain Misst]

"New Mexico court records show that in October 2012, divorce documents were filed in Otero County against a Devin Kelley by his then-wife. The couple list a Holloman AFB address and said that they married in April 2011. The documents say they have no children together, but there was a child living in their home and the wife was receiving child support.

In one of the documents in the divorce file, the wife is asked to list her husband&#8217;s employer. &#8220;USAF Holloman, AFB,&#8221; she wrote, and beside it &#8220;spouse in jail.&#8221;

"https://www.abqjournal.com/1088469/nm-court-documents-detail-devin-kelleys-divorce.html"

 

[kittythehare]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-ca...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 

[MsFacetious]

The local was the Heavy story.. I meant the story that shooter had killed his own family? Thanks.

Oh, sorry I misunderstood.
The pastors wife has posted that the wife's stepmother and step grandmother are among the dead.
The rest is really simply... if they were okay they would have made an appearance by now.
The wife's facebook has turned into a cesspool. If anyone had access they would shut it down.
I've seen 10 dead victims named... and probably 6 living victims.
I expect when it's all said and done at least 1/3 will end up being his/his wife's family.

I am hung up on their kids though. If the youngest victim is 5... his own kids are both younger than 5.

 

[kittythehare]

Oh, sorry I misunderstood.
The pastors wife has posted that the wife's stepmother and step grandmother are among the dead.
The rest is really simply... if they were okay they would have made an appearance by now.
The wife's facebook has turned into a cesspool. If anyone had access they would shut it down.
I've seen 10 dead victims named... and probably 6 living victims.
I expect when it's all said and done at least 1/3 will end up being his/his wife's family.

I am hung up on their kids though. If the youngest victim is 5... his own kids are both younger than 5.

I missed that completely. Thanks for clarifying.
Yes, one would imagine LE would give advice in times like this to shut or make private fb a/cs of relatives of perps..
Thats awful..awful

 

[MsFacetious]

I missed that completely. Thanks for clarifying.
Yes, one would imagine LE would give advice in times like this to shut or make private fb a/cs of relatives of perps..
Thats awful..awful

I don't think there is anyone able to make them private..........

 

[kittythehare]

Heres Johnnie again
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...springs-johnnie-langendorff-gunman?CMP=twt_gu

 

[MzOpinion8d]

At a time of such tragedy, you actually want to go there? Please, have some respect.

What are we supposed to say? "Yay, another mass shooting of innocents! I love America!"

 

[MzOpinion8d]

Oh, sorry I misunderstood.
The pastors wife has posted that the wife's stepmother and step grandmother are among the dead.
The rest is really simply... if they were okay they would have made an appearance by now.
The wife's facebook has turned into a cesspool. If anyone had access they would shut it down.
I've seen 10 dead victims named... and probably 6 living victims.
I expect when it's all said and done at least 1/3 will end up being his/his wife's family.

I am hung up on their kids though. If the youngest victim is 5... his own kids are both younger than 5.

If LE identified him quickly, they may have immediately taken his wife/other close relatives into custody for questioning.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

I haven't been able to follow all the posts and news - has there been any info on how any people were in the church in total? I've seen it said there's 27 dead - does that include the gunman?

 

[possumheart]

What are we supposed to say? "Yay, another mass shooting of innocents! I love America!"

It is awkward not being American when these things happen. I am so uncomfortable with gun discussions.
moo

 

[possumheart]

The attendant said the whole incident lasted about 15 seconds.

• Twenty-three people were found dead inside the church
• Two victims were found outside
• One died after being transported away from the scene.

Children are included in the dead. Police say the youngest victim was 5, the oldest was 72.
Another 20 people are being treated in San Antonio for "injuries that vary from minor to severe".

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-06/texas-shooting-how-it-unfolded/9121326

 

[kittythehare]

It is awkward not being American when these things happen. I am so uncomfortable with gun discussions.
moo

Its awkward being human when these events occur..

 

[kittythehare]

I haven't been able to follow all the posts and news - has there been any info on how any people were in the church in total? I've seen it said there's 27 dead - does that include the gunman?

Not sure as the complete names of the deceased has not yet been released RIP