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If they didn't search her home, something is fishy.
But LE has indeed sworn that it is their belief (not rumor, misdirection, or a question for which they don't have an answer or haven't investigated) that HF was at the W when this stuff went down. As you note, we don't know what all LE has as far as evidence, but we have been provided the bottom line of what it says, and they did cite one piece of evidence they have that has supported that belief.
We can reject their evidence and beliefs, as if we know better than they do. We can ignore the fact they have more evidence that we haven't even seen, and second-guess their ability to accurately assess the value of what they know and any possible blind spots. Or we can say, "Okay, LE has evidence that convinces them that HF was at the W when all this went down, and they swear that's what they believe based on everything they have uncovered so far. Got it."
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Brittany Feagans @BF_StarNews
Plano PD detective testified that she believes Hunter Foster was at W Hotel in Dallas on night #ChristinaMorris disappeared
No one disagrees her DNA was found in the trunk so I'm not sure the point of this post, Steve. We are left to speculate because we don't have all the facts. Believe what you want, and I'll believe what I want. Either way, it doesn't matter because neither one of us are LE or even likely to be on the jury. MOO
Go to a closed thread here by searching Daisy Suzanna Hamilton.
Amen, Sister!
As a matter of fact, if you really want to think about it, LE spoke out about several things that were actually the opposite of what they knew. For example, a couple of weeks in Tilley said that EA was not a person of interest and that he was cooperating fully. Sure he went in for the interviews, but now we know that they had their eyes on him from the get-go AND they also knew he had lied even that early on. So was he a person of interest -- darn tootin! Did they tell the public that? Heck no!
All we have are bit and pieces, and while some of us might fancy ourselves this generation's Columbo (or if you're a bit more crotchety: Perry Mason) it is ALL speculation and there's nothing wrong with that. Personally I don't get into the whole "LE said X, so that must mean Y" or any of that.
DNA found in EA's trunk. Yup. What exactly? Don't know. Blood? Probably since they used Blue Star. Blood mixed with saliva, vomit, urine, etc etc etc.... could be. How much? We don't know. "Significant amount." Half a cup? Two Cups? How much of that would be blood? We don't know, do we? Weren't there. Didn't work in the CSI lab that day.... So acting as we are sooooo sure because we can decipher the words uttered but then tweeted by reporters doesn't mean jack to me. It's like interpreting the Bible. To each his own as far as what it all means.
Speculate on, people! That's what I say! The funny thing is that all the "discussing" on here has deviated from actually trying to find her. Speculating on the possible scenarios MIGHT actually get someone close to discovering her remains. She's obviously NOT still in his trunk, is she? He's also NOT holding a press conference announcing what happened, is he?
Speculate on!
If it was it must not have been a very thorough search because that dang camera had been on the list of what she may have had with her and it wasn't until weeks later that her parents reported that it was back at her and HF's house in Ft. Worth.
Amen, Sister!
As a matter of fact, if you really want to think about it, LE spoke out about several things that were actually the opposite of what they knew. For example, a couple of weeks in Tilley said that EA was not a person of interest and that he was cooperating fully. Sure he went in for the interviews, but now we know that they had their eyes on him from the get-go AND they also knew he had lied even that early on. So was he a person of interest -- darn tootin! Did they tell the public that? Heck no!
All we have are bit and pieces, and while some of us might fancy ourselves this generation's Columbo (or if you're a bit more crotchety: Perry Mason) it is ALL speculation and there's nothing wrong with that. Personally I don't get into the whole "LE said X, so that must mean Y" or any of that.
DNA found in EA's trunk. Yup. What exactly? Don't know. Blood? Probably since they used Blue Star. Blood mixed with saliva, vomit, urine, etc etc etc.... could be. How much? We don't know. "Significant amount." Half a cup? Two Cups? How much of that would be blood? We don't know, do we? Weren't there. Didn't work in the CSI lab that day.... So acting as we are sooooo sure because we can decipher the words uttered but then tweeted by reporters doesn't mean jack to me. It's like interpreting the Bible. To each his own as far as what it all means.
Speculate on, people! That's what I say! The funny thing is that all the "discussing" on here has deviated from actually trying to find her. Speculating on the possible scenarios MIGHT actually get someone close to discovering her remains. She's obviously NOT still in his trunk, is she? He's also NOT holding a press conference announcing what happened, is he?
Speculate on!
I'm all for speculating. But (BMM) Tilley did not say this stuff under oath. For me, the fact that there was blood there at all, and the detectives do believe she is no longer with us due to EA.. is something to consider. I know you said that you do not subscribe to the whole is LE says X then it must mean Y and to an extent I agree. But (at least under oath) can you agree that since LE says X it means X? Just wondering, just trying to see the other sides.
I'm all for speculating. But (BMM) Tilley did not say this stuff under oath. For me, the fact that there was blood there at all, and the detectives do believe she is no longer with us due to EA.. is something to consider. I know you said that you do not subscribe to the whole is LE says X then it must mean Y and to an extent I agree. But (at least under oath) can you agree that since LE says X it means X? Just wondering, just trying to see the other sides.
Just curious because I may have missed it: is it a fact that they didn't find the camera until later, OR it wasn't reported to US until weeks later that the parents found it? Are we positive that it wasn't found earlier by parents or whom ever and for some reason the search list didn't get updated and therefore 'WE' did not know?
as the previous poster said the "under oath" is a huge deal. If they are caught lying under oath that can ruin the whole case I seriously doubt they would do that. But otherwise good point speculate on.
http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1409/08/ijvm.01.html
LE hasn't sworn to no one else being involved yet.
The transcript, from September 8, contains a lot of questions that haven't been answered still.
On the 8th, Jonni said, LE had not confirmed HF was in Fort Worth when CM disappeared.
Not covered in this transcript (somewhere else), HF told Jonni he was at home sleeping.
I don't know when Jonni heard HF wasn't at home in Fort Worth as he told her previously.
May have been the same time we heard it, just recently.
Doesn't match his original story though and that bothers me as much as EA's lies do.
Recently we found out HF was at the W Hotel, which is a lot closer to Plano than Fort Worth is.
How can we be so sure he remained inside the hotel up until 4:00 a.m.?
HF said he lost track of (or lost) his phone during the time Christina disappeared.
Take note the discussion about the fight Christina and HF had, just before Christina disappeared.
The subject came up and Jonni confirms a fight was in progress. CM was so upset she wanted to go home because of their fight.
This has been glossed over.
Someone told Jonni, right off the bat, that Christina and HF were in the midst of a fight.
11-12-2014, 02:19 PM #202 carltondance
Prime example vii13, came out and helped and she hadn't seen Christina in a long time. She did more just on here than the apartment goers have done the entire time
11-12-2014, 02:43 PM #206 carltondance
Quote Originally Posted by suzyjackson View Post
I'm very please to hear that, for some reason vi13 has had some negative comments on here, it seems like she's a better friend than the others. Someone else posted about seeing CM at the Shops too, I can't remember her name, I bet she's been helpful too.
I think there were questions as too who she was, but she has been fully vetted by both family and ppd so she isn't a person to worry about if anyone was
09-08-2014, 12:22 PM #833 vi13
Hey all. I just caught up on all the new posts.
For starters, I do not think it was confirmed the boyfriend was in Ft. Worth. He definitely was out at some bars, but my friends think it might have been in Dallas if anything.
oh maybe they did say it..... BUT WAIT she imiedately (2 post later made this post).11-14-2014, 07:17 AM #548 JMOM's
I completely get your concern, I really do. Scott Peterson case was very odd!!! I didn't expect him at all. However, in this case, there is nothing besides him not answering his phone. I know that is rude, self centered, and down right immature if you ask me, but he was not here in Dallas. Everything he told LE and the family has been proven to be true. He feels horrible, he has to live with his decision for the rest of his life. He hasn't "went dark" either. Just because he isn't in front of a camera doesn't mean he's went dark. Quite the opposite actually. I have personally had to contact him for info or help with certain things and he has been a big help.
11-14-2014, 07:35 AM #559 JMOM's Avatar JMOM
Hunter and Christina live in Ft Worth.
I guess I am used to using Dallas when referring to where I live. I have no family here, Allen or Plano mean nothing to them. So Dallas it is. Sorry, Hunter, to my knowledge was not in Plano or Allen that evening. Sorry for the confusion.
11-10-2014, 06:44 PM #785 JMOM's Avatar JMOM
Actually the family does not speak to this blogger.
Quote Originally Posted by SaintGirl View Post
Right? Uptown Girl has been very supportive covering Christina but it's not anywhere close to the Dallas Morning News. Not that they get everything right either....
11-10-2014, 06:51 PM #790 JMOM's Avatar JMOM
True....the family does not speak to "uptown girl" blogger. They speak to Brittany from Plano Star almost daily.
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Interesting....
11-11-2014, 07:33 AM #933 JMOM's
That blog was terrible! Sorry but it was.
Quote Originally Posted by Doj1234 View Post
The VI's have indicated that it was CM using EA's phone. Other than that blog, I don't believe that we have information that CM's phone was used to text HF after they entered the garage. So, I'm going to believe that CM's last text DID NOT come from her phone at 3:58 and that it was just sloppy relaying of information from the UptownDallasGirl blog.
Thanks
Awesome post, Le Singe. Proof that OCD can be a beautiful thing. [emoji6]i thought i was interesting that people where telling me the VIs were saying he was at home blah blah blah. So I decided to go a little bit OCD and read every post from the very beginning all the way through to #34 maybe by one of the VIs (carltondance and JMOM) and by to non verified but people I believe to be insiders (VI13 and Cookiez). And Interestingly enough NONE of them EVER said he was at home that night not even once.
Vi13 was not verified but carltondance who was said this about Vi13:
So its safe to say she meet and was working with the family early on at the searches etc.
This is what Vi13 had to say early on:
Well that's interesting her "friends" made a pretty damn good guess didn't they ... hmmm unless of course it wasn't a guess she knew it because all the people close to CMs family knew it because HF didn't lie to them about it if vi13 knew .... the family knew.
Also JMOM said:
oh maybe they did say it..... BUT WAIT she imiedately (2 post later made this post).
hmmmmm interesting that she jumped to immediately correct herself that she did not mean he was not in Dallas she meant he was not in plano or allen. Unless of course she knew he was in fact in Dallas and she didn't want to lie (or didn't want to set herself up for even more brow beating than the ridiculous amount she was already taking).
In my opinion HF didn't lie to the family or to LE about where he was they obviously knew. I'm sure he might have left out the details of why he was there but he didn't lie about where he was. Probably because he is not an idiot and he knows he will be the top suspect and if he lies he'll get dragged into a murder investigation and he was doing illegal activity and he knew if he lied it would only invite ten times more scrutiny on himself and his activities than he was already getting.
The only place that i can find that anyone said he was at home was uptown dallas girl who had many proven untrue statements and this is what JMOM said about UTDG:
every one is welcome to think whatever they want but I hate how just because something is repeated here enough times it suddenly becomes fact.
i thought i was interesting that people where telling me the VIs were saying he was at home blah blah blah. So I decided to go a little bit OCD and read every post from the very beginning all the way through to #34 maybe by one of the VIs (carltondance and JMOM) and by to non verified but people I believe to be insiders (VI13 and Cookiez). And Interestingly enough NONE of them EVER said he was at home that night not even once.
Vi13 was not verified but carltondance who was said this about Vi13:
So its safe to say she meet and was working with the family early on at the searches etc.
This is what Vi13 had to say early on:
Well that's interesting her "friends" made a pretty damn good guess didn't they ... hmmm unless of course it wasn't a guess she knew it because all the people close to CMs family knew it because HF didn't lie to them about it if vi13 knew .... the family knew.
Also JMOM said:
oh maybe they did say it..... BUT WAIT she imiedately (2 post later made this post).
hmmmmm interesting that she jumped to immediately correct herself that she did not mean he was not in Dallas she meant he was not in plano or allen. Unless of course she knew he was in fact in Dallas and she didn't want to lie (or didn't want to set herself up for even more brow beating than the ridiculous amount she was already taking).
In my opinion HF didn't lie to the family or to LE about where he was they obviously knew. I'm sure he might have left out the details of why he was there but he didn't lie about where he was. Probably because he is not an idiot and he knows he will be the top suspect and if he lies he'll get dragged into a murder investigation and he was doing illegal activity and he knew if he lied it would only invite ten times more scrutiny on himself and his activities than he was already getting.
The only place that i can find that anyone said he was at home was uptown dallas girl who had many proven untrue statements and this is what JMOM said about UTDG:
every one is welcome to think whatever they want but I hate how just because something is repeated here enough times it suddenly becomes fact.
Sorry to say it again .. but UDG reported everything that Jonni had specifically given to her. She was and had been much more active than just a blogger. proven untrue statements.... not.... just information that was given to her and the provider obviously had been duped by a few people close to the case IMO~
Also .. I would say if anyone has any concerns about the UDG owner... email her directly and ask her exactly how all that info played out.
Go to the source folks is all I am saying
The last article in the "Dallas news" section on her website was November 3rd and it is an article about the Dallas Cowboys. Other notable "news" topics she's covered are "5 Best Places for Cheap Halloween Costumes" and "UBER Gets a Shout Out in Jim Carrey's SNL Parody". Everything else she writes is filed under pop culture topics like "Eat/Drink", "Events", or "Humor". Why she is considered MSM on WS, I'll never understand.
Consider the source folks is all I'm sayin'
i thought i was interesting that people where telling me the VIs were saying he was at home blah blah blah. So I decided to go a little bit OCD and read every post from the very beginning all the way through to #34 maybe by one of the VIs (carltondance and JMOM) and by to non verified but people I believe to be insiders (VI13 and Cookiez). And Interestingly enough NONE of them EVER said he was at home that night not even once.
Vi13 was not verified but carltondance who was said this about Vi13:
So its safe to say she meet and was working with the family early on at the searches etc.
This is what Vi13 had to say early on:
Well that's interesting her "friends" made a pretty damn good guess didn't they ... hmmm unless of course it wasn't a guess she knew it because all the people close to CMs family knew it because HF didn't lie to them about it if vi13 knew .... the family knew.
Also JMOM said:
oh maybe they did say it..... BUT WAIT she imiedately (2 post later made this post).
hmmmmm interesting that she jumped to immediately correct herself that she did not mean he was not in Dallas she meant he was not in plano or allen. Unless of course she knew he was in fact in Dallas and she didn't want to lie (or didn't want to set herself up for even more brow beating than the ridiculous amount she was already taking).
In my opinion HF didn't lie to the family or to LE about where he was they obviously knew. I'm sure he might have left out the details of why he was there but he didn't lie about where he was. Probably because he is not an idiot and he knows he will be the top suspect and if he lies he'll get dragged into a murder investigation and he was doing illegal activity and he knew if he lied it would only invite ten times more scrutiny on himself and his activities than he was already getting.
The only place that i can find that anyone said he was at home was uptown dallas girl who had many proven untrue statements and this is what JMOM said about UTDG:
every one is welcome to think whatever they want but I hate how just because something is repeated here enough times it suddenly becomes fact.