TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #41

[circleb]

Does anyone know how the search went today?

 

[Allison907]

I am wondering what SA's legal address was as of 12/27/10. If Billie did not accept money from him, as she indicated, did he technically reside with mom or grandma? And if so, shouldn't LE be able to get search warrants for any of their properties? Where did he receive his mail (!) and use the internet, etc...

Excellent questions

 

[Mustang Sally]

Regarding the pages that BD printed out at work, isn't it possible that SA gave her a flash drive and asked her to print it? Maybe he didn't have a printer.

O/T - We won!!! This city will be crazy tonite!!! I'm staying off the streets.

Cool....about the win!

That is a great thought about the flash drive. I have wondered how BD could have searched all those websites while she was working in a busy hospital.

Did BD ever work the nightshift? Searching and printing would have been easier to do late at night! Less supervision perhaps.

I have also wondered HOW the LE's knew that Bille had copied them at work. Did they search her computer at work? Did the copies have some type of tagline that identified that they were printed at her hospital.

Did Billie have any other type of part time job during the last few months that SA had been living at her house?

Wishing that MSM would request more information to be released to the public.

DEAR GOD...PLEASE BRING HAILEY HOME

 

[BeanE]

I don't think we know what DD did on Monday night...do we? Sunday night, Billie said he left about 9pm, we know he came in at 4pm on Monday, but did he stay the night at home? It is one of the mysteries, I believe. He was apparently home on Tuesday at noon, if Billie called the home # and he answered, when she was looking for H.

What I found so far is that he was gone "all day" that Tuesday, still gone when Billie called him at lunchtime.

What I can't find is when, after 4pm Monday, he left the house.

I'll still be going through articles and videos tomorrow looking for any more nuggets of info I can find.

 

[katydid23]

I have been trying really hard to look at other potential scenarios--other than SA.


1. Random stranger abduction theory--- I know it happens tragically enough. I think it may have even happened with Kyron, though not sure. I know it is possible in small towns as well. Look at the devastating Groene family case. But for some reason I don't believe it happened with HD. The window is just so small. It would have had to happen
between her house and her fathers if we believe SA and CD's gf.

2. Stalker/known attacker theory-- so that would make a little more sense. Somebody who had been watching her all along, pounced when she left her home. Could have been someone who knew her through SA or Clint even. Maybe she went to her Dad's and there was someone there, like a RSO, who saw the chance to take her. Possible.

But then I come back to the strangeness and hinkiness of SA that morning. For me to accept the above theory I would first have to have an explanation for SA's lies to BD about being fired. And where he really was during those phone outages. If he could show he was just covering up a drug deal or a new girlfriend then I might go another way.

The other major problem that keeps bringing me back to SA is the polygraphs. And the odd statements about where to find HD and who should be looked at. And the provocative recent MYspace updates.

And I just watched him once again, in that interview, where he smirks and says he loves Hailey with all his heart, and she loves him with all her heart. YIKES. We all know that is not true. That is creepy for him to say that. Was he trying to creep us out or is he delusional or was he joking or?

So I suppose I could believe that a local sex offender happened upon her on Clint's back porch. But the problem is an even creepier suspect was the last one to see her. So I am stuck on him still.

 

[Quiche]

But didn't she say on nationwide television from the very first NG show that he lived there?

Gosh, I could be wrong, but I don't think so. I started to watch old NG's for this statement, but... ugh, I rather just say, jmo. :bang:

 

[BeanE]

Gosh, I could be wrong, but I don't think so. I started to watch old NG's for this statement, but... ugh, I rather just say, jmo. :bang:

Well, I just a quick search and found it in the 3rd show.

 

[sorrell skye]

From czgtz first post:

First of all, a little background information. Hailey lives with her mom, Billie, and her 16 year old brother, DD, in the 1800 block of Chestnut St., Colorado City, TX. Billie's boyfriend frequently stays there also. Billie and Hailey's dad, Clint, are divorced. Clint and his girlfriend live nearly directly across the street from Billie.

above bbm

I have appreciated Cz's attempts, as a local, to inform, clarify, and relay info from BD.

Based on the tiny snippet of info bolded in the quoted post above, it's crystal clear that BD has not been truthful to her friend. SA was not merely "frequently" staying there - he had been living with BD at least since last August (according to what BD admitted to on the NG Show).

The fact of the matter is: BD admitted on national television that SA had been living with her for 4 months prior to Hailey's disappearance. Yet, BD lied to her friend, telling her that he "frequently stays there". IIRC, her friend (in a sincere effort to help BD) has stated that she has told BD that she is posting here, therefore BD is surely aware that she has been giving her friend misinformation to pass on to this forum.

As I've followed this case, I've come to fully realize what investigators meant when they said this weeks ago:

"The family has not been forthcoming," said Senior DPS Trooper Sparky Dean. "Their discernment of the truth continues to change. It's very frustrating."

IMO, "frustrating" is an understatement.

 

[cluciano63]

It is hard to get past SA, when he has so many wonky things going on for that time period, as well as his odd statements, both to the media and to LE. It would be hard even if he was NOT the last person to see her...

 

[tfrohning]

Ahhh, now I understand! You are correct, it would be a leap if there were no information available about their finances.

Billie and Clint still own the house that Billie and SA were living in. She has stated in an interview that she paid all of the bills herself without taking any money from SA, and that she recieved no child support from Clint. SA and Clint were interviewed several times and I never heard either man say Billie was wrong about that. It was my impression that Billie was okay with that arrangement; nevertheless, the info is not based solely upon the fact that SA lived in Billie's home.

Isn't the house Billie and Clint? Hmmm my exs would never had went for that? Okay going back to finding Hailey:innocent:

 

[BeanE]

Where is the info coming from that Billie paid all the bills and didn't accept money from Shawn? I can't find it.

If anybody has a link, or an idea of what article it might be in so I can find it, I'd appreciate it.

 

[peeples]

Just reading about a murder of a mom and attempted murder of a daughter, the guys who did it liked ICP and all that scary stuff like Shawn did....... I'm not that old, 30, but I don't remember going to school with kids or even knowing people in my 20's that idolized things like that... and I hung with the EMO kids, a lot, and none of them were like this... i've been reading that it's an emerging subculture and that is just SCARY!

Here is the link...
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/...thrill-kill/the-disciples-of-destruction.html

 

[TGIRecovered]

I am very curious as to the alleged belief that Hailey had an older boyfriend and had left with him, which is evidently what Redcat had heard in the first few days...she indicated it was the widespread belief at the time...if so, that would have colored LE's reaction too.

I looked and looked for any indications of an older boyfriend as soon as I saw that Hailey was missing and supposedly ran away. I was particularly interested because my kids are the same age and Colorado City is not very far away from my city.

I looked at the social network pages. From what I saw and read on her pages, Hailey was the opposite of the type of girl we are used to seeing as a rebellious, independent runaway. Her pictures were of her baby sister and other family members. The pics of Hailey showed a young looking girl with no make-up, no posing in an effort to look like a party-girl, no talk of drugs being cool or other red flags. Hailey listed her dad as her hero. She wrote that she believes in God. She dreaded having to do a band concert.
That was what got me questioning the runaway label.

This little girl seemed the type to have a crush on a boy, not dating. My girls and their friends sometimes say someone is "going with" a boy, which means they sit together in during lunch, or the football game, and the other kids gossip about them until one of them feels hurt or embarassed then they break up.

I think that the older boyfriend rumor was a convenient excuse for the CCPD to explain why they had no clue where she was. Hailey couldn't drive, she took nothing with her, so the imaginary boyfriend had to be "older". Colorado City Police told everyone including their local tv and radio station that Hailey ran away and the community gossip took it from there. The supposed sightings came days later and could not be confirmed.

Hailey was called a runaway "with an older boyfriend" due to lack of another explanation, and not due to any concrete indication that she chose to leave.

MOO!

 

[Curious Me]

I have been trying really hard to look at other potential scenarios--other than SA.


1. Random stranger abduction theory--- I know it happens tragically enough. I think it may have even happened with Kyron, though not sure. I know it is possible in small towns as well. Look at the devastating Groene family case. But for some reason I don't believe it happened with HD. The window is just so small. It would have had to happen
between her house and her fathers if we believe SA and CD's gf.

2. Stalker/known attacker theory-- so that would make a little more sense. Somebody who had been watching her all along, pounced when she left her home. Could have been someone who knew her through SA or Clint even. Maybe she went to her Dad's and there was someone there, like a RSO, who saw the chance to take her. Possible.

But then I come back to the strangeness and hinkiness of SA that morning. For me to accept the above theory I would first have to have an explanation for SA's lies to BD about being fired. And where he really was during those phone outages. If he could show he was just covering up a drug deal or a new girlfriend then I might go another way.

The other major problem that keeps bringing me back to SA is the polygraphs. And the odd statements about where to find HD and who should be looked at. And the provocative recent MYspace updates.

And I just watched him once again, in that interview, where he smirks and says he loves Hailey with all his heart, and she loves him with all her heart. YIKES. We all know that is not true. That is creepy for him to say that. Was he trying to creep us out or is he delusional or was he joking or?

So I suppose I could believe that a local sex offender happened upon her on Clint's back porch. But the problem is an even creepier suspect was the last one to see her. So I am stuck on him still.

BBM You said it, katydid. I feel the same way. I just can't get past the hinky.

 

[sreshowtime]

Now this is purely me wondering only- I absolutely am not stating names or anything else here...
BUT....No one else been named suspect, and so much attention has been put on SA, but does anyone else ever get a queasy feeling sometime that the focus of the investigation might need to take off in another direction? I mean, it may be , since we are not privy to all info LE has, etc.

Thought? Simple yes or no will suffice.

 

[laurensmom]

I have read every post and thrown in my two cents here and there..I just want to add this:

I see sleuthers very frustrated with BD and I see sleuthers very frustrated with posters being frustrated with BD...make sense? lol

We have very few facts in this case...what facts we have are basically all we have to use as a platform.

It's not as much BD's parenting in question as is the choices that brought about Hailey missing and her actions since.


Fact--SA stated in a sworn affidavit that he had threatened the lives of BD and Hailey.
Fact--BD later lets SA move in.
Fact--Both BD and SA stated in a sworn affidavit that they had purchased illegal drugs on Monday night. Yet she tells NG they were for gas/food.
Fact--BD and SA both took and showed deception in polygraphs..yes I know she was upset about being told SA failed however she was only asked 4-5 questions....imo she was already upset about Hailey being missing at all...does being upset have anything to do with polygraph deception?
Fact--SA walked out of work Monday morning.
Per BD's fact--SA did not tell her until Wednesday he was no longer employed-he used the words fired.
Fact--We do not know the whereabouts of SA for certain all day Monday after leaving work or all day Tuesday.
Fact--BD has and had plenty of time to question SA about what he was doing those two days....she states she's hasn't had a chance.
Fact--LE states SA is their prime suspect....yet BD vehemently defends him.
Fact--LE has stated BD has not been as forthcoming as she should be.

Now IMO I have seen BD interviewed numerous times...I've never once seen her shed a single tear....or plead with Hailey's safe return. I've seen her state her love for SA not Hailey. People have asked yet---she is the one insisting Hailey did not run away--IIRC Ronald Cummings said Haleigh would never wander off on her own as well. Some have stated these two cases are nothing alike-I respectfully disagree...IMO the similarities are frightening.

It's been stated BD requested the Texas Rangers yet I read earlier about the day she found out they were involved and was glad.....so I don't believe she is the one that called them.

Anyway...I'm just not sure where else we're supposed to be looking. A lie is a lie no matter how many times you say it or how many times you change it up. This is not the time to be lying....not about your drug use, your tv habits, or whether or not you like peas. BD has been caught in numerous lies....is that how most missing children's parents act?

 

[tfrohning]

This was Redcat's first post Dec. 31-
(partial post)
It is widely believed Hailey is with an older boyfriend and that they are in hiding for whatever reasons. But foul play has not been ruled out either.

Why was this widely believed?

hmm well that was before Elizabeth (she went missing 1/5) IDK but this statement is why she was thought to be a runaway and the reason not much coverage first days. NO excuse J/S

I wonder who made that statement? SA,BD and Clint and Gf ?

or even MB? who was the source?

I know you don't know the answer... just thinking out loud:waitasec:

 

[TGIRecovered]

BBM You said it, katydid. I feel the same way. I just can't get past the hinky.

Don't forget the missing memory cards from the game cameras on SA's family's hunting land. That happened the day Hailey went missing and SA has 3 hours unaccounted for.

 

[katydid23]

That is what I am asking, the post stated that it was widely believed...

I found that odd as well.

 

[Curious Me]

Now this is purely me wondering only- I absolutely am not stating names or anything else here...
BUT....No one else been named suspect, and so much attention has been put on SA, but does anyone else ever get a queasy feeling sometime that the focus of the investigation might need to take off in another direction? I mean, it may be , since we are not privy to all info LE has, etc.

Thought? Simple yes or no will suffice.

No, JMO, I feel what we already know points us in the right direction. Deeper into it is the direction to go until SA's actions and words aren't red flags.