TX TX - Heidi Broussard, 33, Fnd Deceased, & Margo Carey, 2 weeks, Fnd Alive, Austin, 12 Dec 2019 #9

[UnderstandBlue]

That was discussed a while back and I wondered if she noticed - consciously or unconsciously - MF mirroring Heidi.

I would like to know every detail of MF's life, her relationships and what people thought of her because I'm so interested in psychopaths and other cluster Bs. Many of them are popular with lots of friends but there are always people, like Heidi's mom, who pick up on something not feeling right about them. Because the personality disordered individual is usually a master manipulator, those who voice suspicions or more keen insight are usually brushed off.

Predators are good at what they do - identifying those things that make their victims particularly vulnerable to whatever madness they have in store. What worked to bring those two close together may not have been present in TB. I read a study similar to this one in a psych class and found it pretty chilling. The human version of watching a cheetah stalk its prey. Found the resentment motive of particular interest.

 

[Trudie]

I would love to know more as well.

HB & MF were minors when they met, IMO it would have been easy to separate them. I think all of us with kids have had to oust a friend or two from the friend list. I know I had to get rid of a few for my daughter. Now at 18 she could do as she wished but with more maturity. Moo

 

[Artis]

And pretended...INSISTED...the baby was hers.

Oh he can try insanity. But even though I think she’s definitely insane, she would never reach the legs threshold IMO. Not a chance. There’s no guilty but mentally ill option in TX which would allow her treatment instead of LWOP and to find her not guilty by reason of insanity the defense has to prove she was so insane she didn’t know what she was doing or didn’t know it was illegal.

That doesn’t work in cases where someone covers up the crime. Not in this day and age.

She's not insane. She hid the car, talked with various people, from friends of Heidi to Tim Miller, and played the worried friend, even trying to implicate Shane. She's calculating and manipulative and quite the actress, based upon what Tim and Heidi's friend Caressa said.

 

[Artis]

That didn’t happen though. It’s a common misconception because a lot of “experts” (read: former defense attorneys who became tv pundits) kept feeding that to the media. But it’s untrue:

Casey Anthony verdict options (Besides lying to authorities):

1st degree murder

Second degree

3rd degree felony murder

Aggravated manslaughter of a child

Aggravated child abuse

Child abuse

Straight from the very detailed jury instructions which were both read and issued to the jury.

https://malagaaunike.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/28440627jury-instructions-casey-anthony-trial.pdf

And when they charge this monster MF with murder there will be other options for the jury as well. So we don’t have to worry.

Yeah, I got corrected on that and it completely changed my opinion on the outcome!

 

[Trudie]

I would like to know every detail of MF's life

Again, imo it appears MF’s life spiraled south at the appx time she moved to CG’s house.
4-18 vehicular violations (remain unpaid) 8-18 accused of ACE theft (dismissed) 5-19 announces pregnancy & 12-19 current charges +.
My question, did she have no place to go other than CG’s, did she resort to letting her own bills/need slide in order to establish & maintain residency with him. I know his mom stated MF never paid but idk if she truly knows what was going on. Prior to the 4-18 offenses, I find nothing of note on MF. All moo

 

[Artis]

Quoting myself to bring these dates forward. CG’s mom said MF had lived in the house for about two years. Seems MF started having legal trouble about two years ago.
I’m considering she moved in as a tenant, possibly did pay for a few months causing inability to pay for her auto insurance and potentially motivating her to steal from her employer. Prior to Bo Jacks residency it seems she had no legal problems. Yes, I realize she must have had a sexual encounter with her landlord since he thought she was having his baby.
......bizarre.

I guarantee she's had "issues" all of her life. We just don't have her story. Lying, stealing, conning, manipulating - it's probably all there. My thought is she got hooked up with CG as a gf and then wormed her way into house before he knew what hit him. The next stage of her plan was likely to hit him for child support and try to take his house.

 

[Trudie]

Anyone know where the quote from a Bo Jacks resident is regarding “MF always parked her car in the spot LE found it” might be? Moo

 

[Trudie]

I guarantee she's had "issues" all of her life. We just don't have her story. Lying, stealing, conning, manipulating - it's probably all there. My thought is she got hooked up with CG as a gf and then wormed her way into house before he knew what hit him. The next stage of her plan was likely to hit him for child support and try to take his house.

I’m sure she had “issues”, most people do. I think she was capable of functioning until she wasn’t. Like you said lying, stealing, conning all there, ready to be utilized to suit her needs. Moo

 

[Lillymac]

Quoting myself to bring these dates forward. CG’s mom said MF had lived in the house for about two years. Seems MF started having legal trouble about two years ago.
I’m considering she moved in as a tenant, possibly did pay for a few months causing inability to pay for her auto insurance and potentially motivating her to steal from her employer. Prior to Bo Jacks residency it seems she had no legal problems. Yes, I realize she must have had a sexual encounter with her landlord since he thought she was having his baby.
......bizarre.

I thought they were a couple until a while back. When he told her to move she didn't want to then told him she was pregnant. Being a nice guy, he let her stay because she was pregnant. I don't recall reading if he thought it was his or not. Maybe just a rumor. I have no link at this point. jmo

 

[CrimeDawg123]

In ger mugshot, MF appears to have two hoodies on, one didn't appear to have a drawstring.

her red sweatshirt is missing the drawstring.
Oh I don’t have the patience to thread one back thru.

She has two hoodies layered in her booking photo and on the back porch. The red one doesn't have a string in it. MOO

Oh! Gotcha

 

[Artis]

Mother of murdered Austin mom on suspected killer: 'I was uneasy with her'

And notice she refers back to the beginning of their friendship when they were like 11 years old. MFs mask was slipping even back then. How I wish Heidi had picked up on it but she was not a circumspect girl. On her FB, I saw a meme she posted that said something about spirit moving her to have no borders. Another word for that is boundaries and psychopaths zero in people who have few or none. From all accounts, it sounds like Heidi was super friendly and open to everyone. It's a terrible reality that such nice qualities can also make you prey.

 

[Trudie]

I thought they were a couple until a while back. When he told her to move she didn't want to then told him she was pregnant. Being a nice guy, he let her stay because she was pregnant. I don't recall reading if he thought it was his or not. Maybe just a rumor. I have no link at this point. jmo

Neighbors near the Houston-area home where Broussard’s body was found said Fieramusca lived there with a man named Christopher Green, who told authorities he believed the baby was his own child. Green said he thought Fieramusca was pregnant and gave birth to the baby while he was out of town, according to authorities in Harris County.

 

[beanie2]

I am usually researching and reading all posts. I don't want to go against TOS. MF has many siblings, right? From what I read she is very manipulative. Would she engage a family member to help her with the supposed new baby and then somehow the plans go crazy and an innocent person is involved? Moo. And speculation of course

 

[gitana1]

She's not insane. She hid the car, talked with various people, from friends of Heidi to Tim Miller, and played the worried friend, even trying to implicate Shane. She's calculating and manipulative and quite the actress, based upon what Tim and Heidi's friend Caressa said.

Shes certainly not legally insane. She knew what she was doing.

 

[gitana1]

Wow, those sequestration conditions were horrible! No way in hell would I put up with that. Do you know if they were given that info in advance?

IIRC they weren’t told all the specific conditions. But they were told it would be lengthy and in a hotel.

 

[Artis]

Predators are good at what they do - identifying those things that make their victims particularly vulnerable to whatever madness they have in store. What worked to bring those two close together may not have been present in TB. I read a study similar to this one in a psych class and found it pretty chilling. The human version of watching a cheetah stalk its prey. Found the resentment motive of particular interest.

Thanks and will read!

Look up the woman who wrote "Boundaries" and her website. It's excellent and mentions the friendly, outgoing person like Heidi being a target. I also recall it being said that Heidi was adventurous and did skydiving. Psychopaths loathe boredom and are also risk takers so would gravitate to someone so fun and stimulating.

I swear, the more know about these alien things that pose as humans, the more you begin to rethink everything about interacting with anyone.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

 

[Factoria]

Do you think there could be a possibility that they didn't tie the infant to the missing Austin baby (Margo) until Heidi was found? That could explain time lags. jmo

Highly doubtful, IMO. Weren't members of Austin PD present at that raid/search on Thursday? (I may be mistaken on that point ~ feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.) Not to mention reports of SC being 'grilled' about MF earlier in the week, per his friend, MQ's account. I hold a strong opinion that they were at that residence specifically regarding the search for HB & MC. The delay in removing baby M from the residence was likely due to strict following of protocol, since she didn't appear to be in any immediate danger once MF was removed from her presence.

That said, I'm having a tough time reconciling why it took so long for LE to swoop in on MF, if they had evidence fairly early on in the investigation that HB was last seen 'willingly' entering a vehicle with her. Perhaps the initial consensus was that she was 'escaping' with a beloved friend, thus directing attention towards abuse allegations, as opposed to kidnapping and murder? Guess we'll all have to wait until trial to unravel that mystery.

 

[Beth11311]

She's not insane. She hid the car, talked with various people, from friends of Heidi to Tim Miller, and played the worried friend, even trying to implicate Shane. She's calculating and manipulative and quite the actress, based upon what Tim and Heidi's friend Caressa said.

Correct, not legally insane...but you have to be pretty whacked to do what she did. She is the type of insane who knows right from wrong, and doesn’t care.

 

[Lillymac]

Highly doubtful, IMO. Weren't members of Austin PD present at that raid/search on Thursday? (I may be mistaken on that point ~ feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.) Not to mention reports of SC being 'grilled' about MF earlier in the week, per his friend, MQ's account. I hold a strong opinion that they were at that residence specifically regarding the search for HB & MC. The delay in removing baby M from the residence was likely due to strict following of protocol, since she didn't appear to be in any immediate danger once MF was removed from her presence.

That said, I'm having a tough time reconciling why it took so long for LE to swoop in on MF, if they had evidence fairly early on in the investigation that HB was last seen 'willingly' entering a vehicle with her. Perhaps the initial consensus was that she was 'escaping' with a beloved friend, thus directing attention towards abuse allegations, as opposed to kidnapping and murder? Guess we'll all have to wait until trial to unravel that mystery.

The time bothers me too. The only thing I can think of is that they just couldn't find her. I have done several searches on her and not one ties her to that address or that person. This is the last address I could find associated with her.
958 Earlsferry Dr
Channelview
TX 77530-2302
That was as of 2018.