TX TX - Joshua Davis, 18 months, New Braunfels, 4 Feb 2011 - # 4

[suzyq211]

.nothing would make me happier than for Joshua to be alive and well and with one of their friends.

<snipped> and BBM

Hmmm...I know this might have been mentioned here and there, but what benefit would there be for some friend to have Joshua? Is there a perception that people might gain monetarily from a missing child? Just thinking aloud here... I have heard of stranger things...

 

[justthinkin]

I hope you're right, Dee. But while they may not have known day one, by day nine - they should have had a clue that Joshua had not wandered off.

I would think if anything significant was determined by the bucket and tarp, they would know by now.

Oh I think they had a clue. After all, wasn't it about day 4 they announced they were also running a parallel criminal investigation? And if the announcement came on day 4, we can be sure they had begun that process earlier, perhaps after receiving the initial missing person report.

Without concrete proof, they would still have to continue with the search which they did.
I think they covered all the bases, IMO.

 

[TXHOPE]

Yes, my opinion is that LE along with the Texas Rangers and FBI have indeed determined that Joshua was never there that night. At the very least they have determined that he was not abducted, he did not wander off and the dogs did not catch his scent at the home. That only leaves one possibility in my mind, He was never there. It's just my opinion and I've been known to be wrong...go figure...:crazy:

As for EVERYONE keeping quiet...again, my opinion is Yes, it can and does happen. There are sub cultures within our society where large groups of people with a loyalty to one another would never, never, never tell on a fellow group member. Again this is just my opinion.

I agree that all of the adults could be keeping quiet but I don't think the 6year old would. Possible but not likely IMO. If the 6 yr old is covering up as well I think LE would recognize that he was not telling the truth. But then again this could be the very reason why they may think Joshua was not there-the 6 year old did not see him at all and made witness to this.

 

[not_my_kids]

http://kgnb.am/news/search-missing-new-braunfels-toddler-hits-2-weeks

New article, sound bite at the bottom. There is a poster that gives a comment about hoping LE has checked to see if Sabrina was talking with anyone online about maybe getting baby clothes or gear from. I hasn't seen the idea brought up. LE doesn't support the idea, since they have rued out abduction, but at least people are still thinking about the case.

ETA: I didn't realize that it had been 2 weeks today...

 

[lishac23]

Sooo at the two week mark we know that he most likely wasn't kidnapped nor did he wander off. No one in the house is yet to be considered a suspect or person of interest. Which means...... *blank stare*

 

[Kat]

*blank stare* here too.

According to the audio on the webpage that NMK's posted in post number 294:

That the LE doesn't expect for him to be found in a 2 mile radius around the home.

Le is concentrating primarily on different tips they have been receiving.

Large number of people that have called in giving places he may be located

This LE spokesperson says that they (including FBI and Texas rangers) are "very confident" that this isn't going end up being a kidnapping or abduction.

( uke: sorry it makes me just sick to think of the different possiblities for this baby boy)

Okay now will someone please go to that site and listen carefully to what the response is to the question:

What does Le think...answer starting at about 1:31 minute mark?

Also could someone be so kind as to transcribe that one because it might disappear and I can't do it right now, I have to sign off I am on a very different time zone than many (most) posters here.

 

[lishac23]

*blank stare* here too.

According to the audio on the webpage that NMK's posted in post number 294:

That the LE doesn't expect for him to be found in a 2 mile radius around the home.

Le is concentrating primarily on different tips they have been receiving.

Large number of people that have called in giving places he may be located

This LE spokesperson says that they (including FBI and Texas rangers) are "very confident" that this isn't going end up being a kidnapping or abduction.

( uke: sorry it makes me just sick to think of the different possiblities for this baby boy)

Okay now will someone please go to that site and listen carefully to what the response is to the question:

What does Le think...answer starting at about 1:31 minute mark?

Also could someone be so kind as to transcribe that one because it might disappear and I can't do it right now, I have to sign off I am on a very different time zone than many (most) posters here.

He's basically saying the same thing that you've posted above. I'm getting ready to head out too, so I don't have time to transcribe the whole thing. But one thing that I found interesting was that he said they were also talking with "behavioral specialists"....which to me sends a red flag that they are considering someone in the house. A behavioral specialist (if you believe in it) would be able to look at body language, a person's behavior and actions, to help determine if they are possibly lying or withholding information.

 

[not_my_kids]

If the clip stays up long enough, I'll transcribe tonight, but I'm doing homework at the moment. Hoping to get my GPA up from a lousy 2.4, lol. Give me a while and we'll just have to hope it stays for a few, unless someone else can do it.

 

[SilkySifaka]

It is a possibility since the friend left before the baby went missing. It could work both ways...the friend could have let with the baby (IF someone didn't walk their friend to the door, so they didn't notice) or the baby went missing after. Who knows at this point, just saying that is an option that is open.

ETA- Reread your question...there is the old saying "blood is thicker than water", it may or not apply here. I have no idea, but I am keeping an open mind is all.

There are 3 things I don't believe for a second here.

1. No one saw him/he wasn't there that night at all
no way with that many people, related or not. There was the friend. yeah mom pointed fingers at him, you think he would lie about seeing the baby after that? Someone would have talked. Also IMO if it was at all likely LE would be asking for ppl to come forward with when they last saw him, just like in Zahra's case.

2. That either of these parents hurt him. They seem honestly distraught and there is nothing to make it likely as we see in other cases, cps called, drugs etc.

3.That 7 to 9 people covered up the death of a baby. If it was accident, no reason to and if it was murder I don't believe every one stayed silent, this isn't a group of druggies who are hiding binges and other carp.

I trust sarx when she said the dogs were probably not the right ones and given the child would have left the house at some time, there should have been a trail even if it wasn't from that night..no trail tells me not the right dogs/training/handler.

Still believe the little boy is going to be found curled up in a 1 foot ball under a bush somewhere within the area. or under a porch that never got checked.

The only other explanation that does sort of ring true with me is mom's gut reaction. Seems like there was something she clued into about the 'friend' and maybe she couldn't even put it in words..could have been as simple as him watching the baby to much when over, or his voice tone when he told him he was beautiful. something. Touching him to much perhaps or petting him in a non baby way. It clicked together when Joshua went missing and that is why she pointed the fingers at him. Plus he is the only one that left and returned.

Mothers intuition is something i have a great respect for. He could have taken him and stashed him the car, played a "game" of hide n seek, then taken him somewhere else.

IMO

 

[lillys]

Ya know - I don't want to bad-mouth LE, but they spent OVER a week searching for this baby thinking he DID just wander off. A one-mile radius and all kinds of dogs that failed to hit on anything.

I'm sorry, but I just don't have a great deal of faith in this investigation - from day (night) one.

They sure did Fairy1. I'm not bad mouthing LE either, I only wish they would have considered other ways for Joshua to not be at home.

Then again, what are cops supposed to do when parents call and say their child wandered off? LE has to follow protocol.
I'm beyond frustrated with this case.

I'd like to know when exactly someone besides the parents can verify and confirm seeing Joshua!

 

[lillys]

I agree that all of the adults could be keeping quiet but I don't think the 6year old would. Possible but not likely IMO. If the 6 yr old is covering up as well I think LE would recognize that he was not telling the truth. But then again this could be the very reason why they may think Joshua was not there-the 6 year old did not see him at all and made witness to this.

Exactly TxHOPE. At 6 years old, my kids couldn't keep a secret for a million ice cream cones. lol
If this sweet little 6 year old saw or heard anything, I imagine he's told someone.

 

[Noway]

FWIW, I was able to change the date to the following week on my cell phone and take a picture and the next week's date showed on the pic. But if you looked at the properties of the photo, it said noted date taken as the current date.

I have a new cell and don't know if I can do it on that one too, but will conduct an experiment.

Just saying that they would not be able to fool LE.

I tested this because of the Kyron Horman case, IIRC.

 

[Ives]

Sb is due anyday now. Sad this will be a bittersweet birth for her

 

[FaerieB]

It was just posted on FB that SB had the baby today.

My guess is we'll hear something from LE shortly (within a few days) as to which way the investigation is heading. (I truly believe they were keeping it closely guarded until this baby had arrived.)

 

[momtective]

It was just posted on FB that SB had the baby today.

My guess is we'll hear something from LE shortly (within a few days) as to which way the investigation is heading. (I truly believe they were keeping it closely guarded until this baby had arrived.)

My guess is CPS has already been contacted and both the new baby and the 6 year old will be placed in protective custody.

 

[HiHater]

My guess is CPS has already been contacted and both the new baby and the 6 year old will be placed in protective custody.

The 6 year old? Why? Is his mom unfit or something? JW

 

[panthera]

I pray she had nothing to do with little Joshua's disappearance for the sake of the new baby. rayer: MOO

 

[momtective]

The 6 year old? Why? Is his mom unfit or something? JW

The fact that an 18 month old is missing and so far no one knows where he is or what happened to him...that's really all CPS needs. They could cite the parents for failure to protect, neglect, or failure to supervise.

 

[HiHater]

The fact that an 18 month old is missing and so far no one knows where he is or what happened to him...that's really all CPS needs. They could cite the parents for failure to protect, neglect, or failure to supervise.

The 6 year old has a different mom than the 18 month old. I'm pretty sure the 6 year old would go there instead of protective custody...

 

[panthera]

The fact that an 18 month old is missing and so far no one knows where he is or what happened to him...that's really all CPS needs. They could cite the parents for failure to protect, neglect, or failure to supervise.

I agree, they could, but will they unless LE charges one or both parents, or at least provides a solid theory as to what happened to Joshua?