TX - Nichol Olsen, 37, & 2 daughters, found shot dead inside mansion, Bexar County, 10 Jan 2019 #2

[duscle]

I may be wrong about this but I didn’t think CW hired any attorneys immediately after he reported the bodies, LE showing up, LE towing his car, etc. I actually thought it was quite a bit later, when “social media” took over. After hopping on just one random FB page today (1 of hundreds) and reading the comments; I don’t blame him one bit for hiring multiple attorneys. IMO

And what are the attorney going to do about social media comments? You really think that's why they were drafted in? IMO the real reason they were hired was from a defence stance. Dealing with LE, FBI and the media. And we can see them doing this now - i'e challenging the release of records etc They knew this was coming and that's why they were drafted in. This is what you do when you have something to shield.

Also, I will be keen to know more about the legal firm and see if they are criminal or commercial specialists.

 

[duscle]

Yes to all of this. 100%. And the presumptive test wouldn’t be admissible in court.


Okay what did I miss? lol Where did we hear that CW is withholding/delaying something/anything? I can’t find the post where this originated. Of the many nonsensical things Sheriff has said the past 2 weeks, the one thing he was actually clear about was that CW was being completely cooperative. If he had asked for an attorney and refused to answer questions or refused to allow his phone records to be collected by LE, etc., this would, by definition, be UNcooperative behavior. Do you really think he hasn’t been questioned? Of course he has. It is common practice for LE to tell the public when someone refuses to submit to questioning or isn’t being cooperative. Why would the Sheriff not only keep this information from us, but go even further to mislead us and say he was fully cooperating? Did Sheriff give a different account today? Lastly, if he didn’t consent to his records being turned over to LE (which if “fully cooperating,” he would surely do), they would actually have to write a search warrant for them (TX law used to allow a subpoena, now need full-on search warrant). Assuming the warrant lays out PC, and a Judge signs it, there is not really anything anyone can do to stop LE from “executing the search.” And here, all they would need to show in the warrant language is PC that the records could contain SOME evidence related to a crime. Not even that the records would specifically incriminate CW, so that would be a super easy burden to meet considering they know his phone would have communication with NO all throughout and she’s at the center of the investigation.

Edited to add: IMO, MOO, etc.

Yeah being cooperative BEFORE the FBI was drafted in and wanted to look deeper.

You do know it gets to a point when POI stop being cooperative? How many times have we seen suspects brought in for questioning for the first time and being cooperative? I'd say over 90% of the time. However, when the LE start getting closer to the truth they stop being cooperative and try to hide the truth. They do this by either say "No comment" or they use their legal muscle. We are seeing CW use his legal muscle.

 

[duscle]

BBM Duscle, what do you believe will come to light? That LE will ultimately find that CW was responsible for all 3 deaths? I’m just trying to understand how you seem so positive that something will come out.

I believe that CW's accounts of him just leaving the house after an argument will be proven to be a lie. And each passing day strengthens my conviction.

No way am I believing this version of events. Seen it all - X has an argument with Y and says they left Y only to come back home to find them dead or missing.

Musings alert! - Aint it strange that CW has the same initials as Chris Watts and a mother and 2 daughters were killed at night. Oh and both CW are in the petroleum industry and it was a Nicole who spoilt Chris Watts plans. Maybe something in this Nichol will tip the balance? Of course this has just pointless rambling but that's my specialty

 

[Strangeworld]

I will accept if they find CW responsible for one or more of their deaths. It will be surprising but if they can show due cause for determining this, I would accept it. I wonder what is going to happen if the case is closed as a murder/suicide? Will this decision be accepted?

 

[Starkville]

Okay this has bothered me too....no pics of her with the girls on her IG, but several with him. And the pics of her girls together are OLD.

There are photos of her with her son. Just not the daughters.

 

[NervousNellie]

Welcome to Websleuths, Perny. Click on the "edit" button and remove your personal info. to save yourself some potential issues.

@Perny -
Welcome! Also, Granny has some excellent advice here.

 

[Via Marple]

Mark Stevens San Antonio Criminal Defense Lawyer | Criminal Defense Attorney

One of CW's lawyers, Mark Stevens, looks like a highly experienced and regarded criminal defence attorney.

And what are the attorney going to do about social media comments? You really think that's why they were drafted in? IMO the real reason they were hired was from a defence stance. Dealing with LE, FBI and the media. And we can see them doing this now - i'e challenging the release of records etc They knew this was coming and that's why they were drafted in. This is what you do when you have something to shield.

Also, I will be keen to know more about the legal firm and see if they are criminal or commercial specialists.

BBM

Attorney defends owner of Boerne-area home where bodies were found | KTSA

In this report, he was interviewed by KTSA News. I have not found the names of the other lawyers.

Edit - pressed post accidentally...

 

[CocoChanel]

Agree 100%.

Edited to add: You bring up a good point about the public’s right to know if there’s a killer on the loose. In the Papini case, people were left wondering if there would be more random abductions. Sheriff Salazar hasn’t made any comments (to my knowledge) about the safety of the public.

While I do think it is valid for the ‘people’, especially the people of that gated community, to know if there is a killer who was able to breach security and enter and murder those 2 innocent children, I was speaking in the larger sense of society as a whole. WE ALL are the PEOPLE whom prosecutors represent during criminal trials. Often those crimes are perpetrated against individuals, and our justice system demands that the prosecutors speak not only for the immediate victims, but ALL of us in our communities because the crimes are an affront to all. That is what I meant by our society’s/the community’s right to know who murdered these children. IMHO that is why LE are OUR public officials, and in a pure sense, they do the job of defending us against those who would do our society/the community harm. If a person commits a heinous crime, even if it is against their own flesh and blood, they do not get the benefit of privacy, even in the case of mental illness or a momentary flash of passion or hopelessness. The crime committed was against ALL of us, and we deserve to know the truth, no matter how difficult it is to face.

When a person chooses suicide to end their life, I DO have compassion for the pain they must have been in, and society does not need to know any more of their truth once the public officials who we ask to investigate the sad event determines the person took their own life. That has already happened here, and I have no reason to question it further. I know that is the core issue here for some - refusal to accept the official findings from our public servants who represent us as society as a whole.

When the same event also includes the murders of others, (and there is no dispute these children were MURDERED), THEN society has the right to know who did this. We will never know why, but we deserve to know WHO. Occam’s Razor tells me the answer to this to my satisfaction in this tragic case.

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

Do you have a link for that? So far I haven’t seen anything that said Nichol killed the girls, which has been the biggest delay in resolution of this case.

The Bexar County Medical Examiner ruled the girls' deaths as murders but Nichol's as a suicide.
Boyfriend of Texas mom found shot dead with daughters shouldn't be person of interest, lawyer says | Daily Mail Online

From the same DM article referenced above:
“He [Bexar County Sheriff Javier Salazar] added: 'We can't just say: "Oh, well then she must've been the one that did this to these two little girls." We still have to go out and find out who it was that killed these two young ladies.

Our investigation may concur with the medical examiner,' the sheriff said. 'Or we may find something through the course of our investigation that may change that finding all together. At this point, it's just too early to tell.'” (BBM)

Also:
“Even though the medical examiner ruled Olson's cause of death a suicide and the two girls homicides, Salazar said it's still too early to say who killed the younger victims inside the Anaqua Springs Ranch subdivision, northwest of San Antonio.

[SBM]

‘We still have to go out and find out who it was that killed these two young ladies. The evidence may lead us right back to somebody within the house, but it may not. And it would be irresponsible of us to come to that conclusion at this point when there's so much investigation being left to do.‘" (BBM)
Texas woman took her own life and two girls found near her were murdered

 

[1&2&3]

They had a visitation service. This is different than a viewing which you can't have when the body is missing half its head.

Visitation services occur with cremations. With cremations, there aren't interments into a grave.

May I ask why you state that it was a cremation instead of an interment? I have never heard this said before.

One would not have a viewing if the body was disfigured. However, that does not mean that person is going to be cremated.

I have been to many funerals in my life where there was a closed casket and the deceased was not disfigured. Perhaps they have been ill for a long time and just don’t look good. The person or family want people to remember the deceased as they were through life. The person may have had a stroke and been paralyzed on one side. There are hundreds of reasons for having a closed casket.

Another point, funeral customs are different across the country. It has truly amazed me how they vary. This is why I wanted to point out that a visitation would occur if the casket was closed as one would certainly not be viewing the deceased. They would be visiting with the family.

Also, many cremated people are buried. It is usually in the same grave with their already deceased spouse. This is done mainly when there weren’t enough plots purchased many years ago and the cemetery has run out of room. Rules vary in each county or state regarding this. My dad had to be cremated and buried on top of his wife due to the lack of space in the cemetery. If soldiers are buried in Arlington National Cemetery, their wives must be cremated and buried in the same grave due to the lack of space. There must be so much space between the two bodies.

It could also be the way an area writes the obituary up - using visiting vs viewing. How many obits are ever correct?

 

[rigsby2]

Limiting your children's photos on SM is a sign of a good mom to me.

I agree, we limit our own kids. So here you go, both of NO's girls had active social media accounts.

Again, not one photo of her and girls together, or especially strange, not one of her and Alexa together. I wouldn't expect it on the kids pages, but an allegedly doting mom who does allow her kids on SM, doesn't post any to her page of her with her beautiful girls? Eating together, at a pool, in a car, anything? Single parent or not, I stand by my original belief that there is something significant about that lack.

Alexa's dad has lots of photos with her, (including selfies). She looks super happy with him. And check out the photo where he took her to gun range for her 15th birthday. There were early posts here where some doubted NO could shoot, but again, hello, it's Texas. JMO, IMO, etc. ( I can't link his instagram because against TOS but look up cmontez_m1 if interested)

london_bridgee

alexa.montezzz

 

[oceanblueeyes]

<modsnip: Leave the family out of this discussion.>

Truth is you can fake a suicide but you cant fake technology evidence.

Lets be honest what innocent person hires 3 attorneys before they have even been question? We have all seen the scenario played thousands of time before, a suspect is brought by the LE for questioning and the first thing is they say is "I want to speak to my attorney" or " No comment" That's whats being played out here except 3 attorneys were got before the first question was even asked.

Everything will come to light pretty soon like I said. Great job Sheriff keep pilling on the pressure.

Now that you mentioned it I actually saw two different cases on ID just yesterday where both male partners of the females who had been murdered who lawyered up and refused to speak with LE.

These two men refused to even be interviewed. They knew already the police would be accusing them of a crime they did not commit so there was no reason for them to sit there for hours on end being berated and falsely accused by the police.

They had no information to give them as they had no clue who would murder their wives.

I think CW did cooperate with LE when it happened until the sheriff told everyone he is a POI. That would drastically change things imo.

He may still agree to supplemental interviews with his lawyers present.

The suspects in the two ID cases were finally found and the layered up male partners had no involvement whatsoever in the murder of their wives.

One was murdered by a total stranger that turned out to be a serial killer. The other wife was murdered by a disgruntled son of a man who had been fired from the company the wife's family owned.

They both said they obtained a lawyer because they knew the police were trying to make them the murder suspects and they both knew they had nothing to do with it.

So imo hiring lawyers doesn't always mean anyone is guilty of anything.

I have even seen prosecutors who admitted everyone has a right to hire a defense attorney to make sure all of their rights are being protected.

Imo

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

Mark Stevens San Antonio Criminal Defense Lawyer | Criminal Defense Attorney

One of CW's lawyers, Mark Stevens, looks like a highly experienced and regarded criminal defence attorney.


BBM

Attorney defends owner of Boerne-area home where bodies were found | KTSA

In this report, he was interviewed by KTSA News. I have not found the names of the other lawyers.

Edit - pressed post accidentally...

“One of Wheeler’s attorneys, Therese Huntzinger, welcomed the news of the FBI joining the case.”
FBI joins investigation into fatal triple shooting in luxury San Antonio-area home

“About Therese
Devoted practice to criminal defense including juvenile criminal defense. Emphasis in felony cases including Capital Murder, Murder, Agg Sexual Assaults; Robbery; Drugs and all general felony crime. Former Assistant District Attorney 12 years.”
Lawyer Therese Huntzinger - San Antonio, TX Attorney - Avvo

“MS. THERESE M. HUNTZINGER
Eligible to Practice in Texas
Bar Card Number: 10306200
TX License Date: 11/08/1985

[SBM]

Practice Areas: Criminal, Juvenile”
https://www.texasbar.com/AM/Templat...ry/MemberDirectoryDetail.cfm&ContactID=173008

I’ve always told my children (now 16 and 14) whatever the situation they are in, not to answer any questions asked by the police beyond telling them his/her name, and instead, call me immediately.

Personally, I have no problem with CW hiring criminal defense attorneys. Given the situation he is in, whether he has committed a crime or not, it’s a prudent thing to do, IMO.

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

I don’t believe this has been posted yet:

“ for mom, 2 girls killed in Boerne shooting raised $60K. But what for?”

https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/crime/article/A--for-mom-2-girls-killed-in-Boerne-13558504.php

ETA: My apologies: The link doesn’t work since the fund-raising site’s name is in it. I will alert a mod to see if an exception can be made. Sorry.

ETA: “A week after the creation of an online fundraising site that stated it wanted answers to the killings of Nichol Olsen and her daughters, donors are asking how the money is going to be used.

The site, ‘Searching for the Truth,’ was created by Olsen’s friends on Jan. 17. It raised $55,000 in five days; it crossed $60,000 Wednesday.

‘There are countless unanswered questions and we, as well as many, are waiting for answers,’ wrote Susan Khalil and Nicole Baptiste, its creators. ‘Please help us in our mission to seek the truth.’

As of Thursday, the fundraiser’s creators had repeatedly declined to answer on the record how exactly the money will be used.

[SBM]

On Tuesday, Salazar announced the FBI would join the investigation and help analyze forensic evidence.

Khalil then posted an update to the fundraising campaign, which said that because of the FBI’s participation, she and Baptiste ‘MAY or MAY NOT need to allocate the funds under the premise in which they were raised.’

[SBM]

Khalil said in a phone interview Thursday that they are currently not content with the FBI's level of involvement and will continue to ‘search for the truth.’

‘The FBI is assisting in the investigation. They are not taking over,’ she said. ‘If anyone has a problem with money that they contributed, and they’re uncomfortable, I’m more than willing to give them back their money.’

The FBI’s involvement appears to have donors concerned over the use of the money.

‘The FBI is now involved. What specifically is the intended goal of $100,000 raised to be used for? Private investigators? That sum seems excessive, particularly when any private investigation could in no way match the resources and skills of the FBI,’ wrote an online commenter.

[SBM]

Several others, however, wrote that they assumed the money would be used to help with funeral expenses or education for her surviving son — and that they were OK with that.

[SBM]

Salazar said Thursday that no one connected to the ‘Searching for the Truth’ site has been in contact with his office.

[SBM]

He doubts a second medical examiner’s report will come to a different conclusion or that a private investigator could uncover evidence the authorities don’t already have.

[SBM]

‘Look, some people are never going to be convinced,’ Salazar said. ‘You’ll never convince 100 percent of the people. I can’t worry about that. All we can do is go where the evidence takes us.’”

 

[Starkville]

[SBM]
Musings alert! - Aint it strange that CW has the same initials as Chris Watts and a mother and 2 daughters were killed at night. Oh and both CW are in the petroleum industry and it was a Nicole who spoilt Chris Watts plans. Maybe something in this Nichol will tip the balance? Of course this has just pointless rambling but that's my specialty

And the Nichol in that case was the mistress.

 

[Starkville]

While I do think it is valid for the ‘people’, especially the people of that gated community, to know if there is a killer who was able to breach security and enter and murder those 2 innocent children, I was speaking in the larger sense of society as a whole. WE ALL are the PEOPLE whom prosecutors represent during criminal trials. Often those crimes are perpetrated against individuals, and our justice system demands that the prosecutors speak not only for the immediate victims, but ALL of us in our communities because the crimes are an affront to all. That is what I meant by our society’s/the community’s right to know who murdered these children. IMHO that is why LE are OUR public officials, and in a pure sense, they do the job of defending us against those who would do our society/the community harm. If a person commits a heinous crime, even if it is against their own flesh and blood, they do not get the benefit of privacy, even in the case of mental illness or a momentary flash of passion or hopelessness. The crime committed was against ALL of us, and we deserve to know the truth, no matter how difficult it is to face.

When a person chooses suicide to end their life, I DO have compassion for the pain they must have been in, and society does not need to know any more of their truth once the public officials who we ask to investigate the sad event determines the person took their own life. That has already happened here, and I have no reason to question it further. I know that is the core issue here for some - refusal to accept the official findings from our public servants who represent us as society as a whole.

When the same event also includes the murders of others, (and there is no dispute these children were MURDERED), THEN society has the right to know who did this. We will never know why, but we deserve to know WHO. Occam’s Razor tells me the answer to this to my satisfaction in this tragic case.

I see. And agree totally.

Well said.

 

[Starkville]

I agree, we limit our own kids. So here you go, both of NO's girls had active social media accounts.

Again, not one photo of her and girls together, or especially strange, not one of her and Alexa together. I wouldn't expect it on the kids pages, but an allegedly doting mom who does allow her kids on SM, doesn't post any to her page of her with her beautiful girls? Eating together, at a pool, in a car, anything? Single parent or not, I stand by my original belief that there is something significant about that lack.

Alexa's dad has lots of photos with her, (including selfies). She looks super happy with him. And check out the photo where he took her to gun range for her 15th birthday. There were early posts here where some doubted NO could shoot, but again, hello, it's Texas. JMO, IMO, etc. ( I can't link his instagram because against TOS but look up cmontez_m1 if interested)

london_bridgee

alexa.montezzz

Adding on to your comment, NO was supposed to take London to audition for “America’s Got Talent” on the day her body was discovered. That’s not a mother who wants to hide her daughter from the world.

 

[CocoChanel]

I don’t believe this has been posted yet:

“******** for mom, 2 girls killed in Boerne shooting raised $60K. But what for?”

https://www.expressnews.com/news/lo...for-mom-2-girls-killed-in-Boerne-13558504.php

ETA: My apologies: The link doesn’t work since the fund-raising site’s name is in it. I will alert a mod to see if an exception can be made. Sorry.

If you do a google search by copying and pasting the title of the article, and insert the name of the fundraising site for the *****, you can find the article. It is a legit MSM news article, from a respected MSM news site. It’s just the name of the fundraising site that sets the alert that is not permitted here. Hope the mods can allow the article.

Thanks #inmyhumbleopinion!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Why in the world would they think the FBI can takeover this state case?

They are only an assisting agency in state cases. The local law enforcement agency retains jurisdiction and control.

Why are they already criticizing the FBI? They are some of the best evidence gathers in the world.

It's like they already know the FBI isn't going to find any evidence of a triple homicide.

Strange.

Imo

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

“Attorneys Therese Huntzinger and Patrick Hancock also are part of Wheeler’s legal team.“ (BBM)
Sheriff says boyfriend of woman in San Antonio triple shooting is ‘person of interest,’ but not a suspect

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