Found Deceased TX - PFC Vanessa Guillen, 20, Fort Hood military base, items left behind, 22 Apr 2020 *arrests* #3

[Cindizzi]

DBM

 

[m00c0w]

When were acting jack E5 segeants eliminated?

It’s still a thing, but only in the most technical sense. Temporary promotions can only take place during specifically designated time periods, and the Deputy Chief of Staff of the Army is the person that decides this. It is highly unlikely it will ever be invoked again unless there is a dire shortage of people (and even then I’m not so sure), given the changes in the promotion system that have occurred over the last decade. As I stated earlier, corporals are exactly what that rank was supposed to convey, so there is absolutely no reason for temporary promotions anymore. If a specialist needs to fill an E5 slot, they will receive a lateral promotion to corporal, which designates them as an NCO and technically superior to a specialist (even though they are the same pay grade). If he were promoted into some sort of NCO role, it would be apparent because he would be identified as either a SGT or a CPL. There’s really nothing to back up this theory.

In short, it is highly, and I cannot emphasize “highly” enough, unlikely that he was in any sort of supervisory role over VG. Even if he was magically an NCO that no one knew about, he was still in an entirely different company and in an entirely different NCO support chain/chain of command. It just doesn’t make any sense for that to be a thing.

 

[CronesEye]

They had access to what phone? In order to get geolocation data for a phone, or cell tower data, you need a warrant. For a warrant, you have to have probable cause you suspect someone committed the crime. Being the last person to see someone wouldn’t necessarily meet the probable cause threshold.

A lot of people here seem to forget or are unaware that they made two attempts on separate days to render the body unidentifiable. It is likely she was identifiable (but deceased) when she was taken to the burial site, and was then... I don’t even know what to call it. Poor girl.

The affidavit explicitly states they are revealing only enough information to meet the probable cause threshold for an arrest warrant to be taken out. Her confessing to this stuff easily meets and exceeds probable cause, so that’s what they used.

He was not her supervisor. I’m not sure where this idea came from. They weren’t even in the same company. This is apparent from the affidavit.

Who says they were not appropriately-ranked personnel? They were unit armorers. It was their job to have access to the arms room. The base was on limited duty at the time though, yes, due to COVID. That would be why more people weren’t around. I would not/do not find it inherently odd that either of them were working on inventories by themselves in their respective arms rooms.

"In order to get geolocation data for a phone, or cell tower data, you need a warrant. For a warrant, you have to have probable cause you suspect someone committed the crime"

In the age of surveillance our privacy is still intact? Good to know. I remember being told our land line was being monitored to make sure we weren't giving out critical information like departure times. Don't know if that was a baseless threat, likely was given enlisted share the same constitutional rights civilians do.

 

[Seattle1]

In both links below, New2 Houston references AR as CA's estranged husband. Is this correct?

Army confirms remains found belong to Vanessa Guillen; lawmakers demand independent investigation

July 6, 2020

Soldier’s estranged wife charged in connection with Fort Hood soldier Vanessa Guillen’s disappearance, officials say

July 2, 2020

 

[MsBetsy]

In both links below, New2 Houston references AR as CA's estranged husband. Is there correct?

Army confirms remains found belong to Vanessa Guillen; lawmakers demand independent investigation

July 6, 2020

Soldier’s estranged wife charged in connection with Fort Hood soldier Vanessa Guillen’s disappearance, officials say

July 2, 2020

No, I don't think that's right. She was reportedly married to an ex-soldier but it's not clear whether or not they are actually divorced.

Also, I'm pretty sure the second article has a picture of the wrong person. Jmo

 

[m00c0w]

In both links below, New2 Houston references AR as CA's estranged husband. Is there correct?

Army confirms remains found belong to Vanessa Guillen; lawmakers demand independent investigation

July 6, 2020

Soldier’s estranged wife charged in connection with Fort Hood soldier Vanessa Guillen’s disappearance, officials say

July 2, 2020

That doesn’t make much sense, given the affidavit says CA is AR’s girlfriend. They were also living together in her apartment off-post. I think officials referred to CA as the estranged wife of a Ft. Hood soldier, and some media interpreted that as AR being the husband. In my opinion, and from what I can tell, her estranged husband is someone entirely unconnected to this.

 

[Seattle1]

Hmm wonder why another presser so soon? Are they going to try to do damage control? are any of these two that are speaking the two star guy from the last presser?

After listening, I'd definitely say this was damage control!

Gone was the double down how there was no credible evidence of sexual harassment/assault and there was finally an effort to recognize VG's humanity and that she was an American Soldier.

I don't think it hurt that 87 members of Congress sent a letter to DOD demanding an independent investigation.

Army confirms remains found belong to Vanessa Guillen; lawmakers demand independent investigation

July 6, 2020

The updates from Fort Hood officials come as Congresswoman Sylvia Garcia and 87 other members of Congress sent a letter to the Department of Defense demanding an independent investigation into Fort Hood’s handling of Guillen’s case.

“The United States military has a responsibility to ensure the safety and well-being of the young women and men that take an oath to defend our country. In SPC Guillen’s case, the U.S. Army failed both Vanessa and her family,” said Congresswoman Garcia.

 

[Inquisitive2018]

I don't even know why they keep reporting her as the estranged wife of a former soldier. But by now MSM should get it right. She was not the estranged wife of AR.

Edit
I still want to know who called her in and if it is just a coincidence. I know we the public weren't be privy to certain info. But I know the family's lawyer will spill it all.

 

[Boxer]

I’m going to need a source for the Army arranging a meeting between the family and AR as opposed to a chance encounter at some point.

It’s still a thing, but only in the most technical sense. Temporary promotions can only take place during specifically designated time periods, and the Deputy Chief of Staff of the Army is the person that decides this. It is highly unlikely it will ever be invoked again unless there is a dire shortage of people (and even then I’m not so sure), given the changes in the promotion system that have occurred over the last decade. As I stated earlier, corporals are exactly what that rank was supposed to convey, so there is absolutely no reason for temporary promotions anymore. If a specialist needs to fill an E5 slot, they will receive a lateral promotion to corporal, which designates them as an NCO and technically superior to a specialist (even though they are the same pay grade). If he were promoted into some sort of NCO role, it would be apparent because he would be identified as either a SGT or a CPL. There’s really nothing to back up this theory.

In short, it is highly, and I cannot emphasize “highly” enough, unlikely that he was in any sort of supervisory role over VG. Even if he was magically an NCO that no one knew about, he was still in an entirely different company and in an entirely different NCO support chain/chain of command. It just doesn’t make any sense for that to be a thing.

So it's allowed.,

That doesn’t make much sense, given the affidavit says CA is AR’s girlfriend. They were also living together in her apartment off-post. I think officials referred to CA as the estranged wife of a Ft. Hood soldier, and some media interpreted that as AR being the husband. In my opinion, and from what I can tell, her estranged husband is someone entirely unconnected to this.

MOO an estranged husband whonos very thankful he was seperated from this human hyena.

 

[K9Enzo]

I don't even know why they keep reporting her as the estranged wife of a former soldier. But by now MSM should get it right. She was not the estranged wife of AR

IMO, @m00c0w post (two up) is spot on. I don’t believe MSM has ever implied AR & CA were ever married. She was married to a prior service member, unrelated (IMO) to this case.

 

[m00c0w]

So it's allowed.,

It is allowed when the DCS says it’s allowed, and there is a memo in writing specifying the time period temporary promotions are allowed. There is no such authorization currently in place. So no, it is not currently allowed and I doubt will ever be again.

 

[Jessthinkin]

What about the hammer that was missing from the armory room? He must have used something similar to a hammer for her skull to be in so many pieces. Jmo

I'm just saying that I doubt the full attack (and resulting, catastrophic skull and dental damage) happened in the armory. I'm far from a fan of the Army's investigation into this murder, but I can't imagine he'd have been able to clean up all the blood evidence if the full hammer attack happened in the armory.

 

[agaliunas3]

In both links below, New2 Houston references AR as CA's estranged husband. Is this correct?

Army confirms remains found belong to Vanessa Guillen; lawmakers demand independent investigation

July 6, 2020

Soldier’s estranged wife charged in connection with Fort Hood soldier Vanessa Guillen’s disappearance, officials say

July 2, 2020

First time posting...long time lurker so I hope I do this right. I found an article that mentions her husband confirming that it was not AR.

"Previous Marriage
Aguilar was married to KA, a former soldier once stationed at Fort Hood."

Cecily Aguilar: What we know about evil girlfriend accused of hacking, dismembering beloved Fort Hood soldier, Vanessa Guillen

 

[Lillymac]

"In order to get geolocation data for a phone, or cell tower data, you need a warrant. For a warrant, you have to have probable cause you suspect someone committed the crime"

In the age of surveillance our privacy is still intact? Good to know. I remember being told our land line was being monitored to make sure we weren't giving out critical information like departure times. Don't know if that was a baseless threat, likely was given enlisted share the same constitutional rights civilians do.

I understand the warrant, but..what made it different after the remains were found at the river? Did they find evidence there that made them more suspicious of him? As far as what's been released, there wasn't anything new found incriminating him. Was there...maybe I missed it.

 

[Elle*Bee]

First time posting...long time lurker so I hope I do this right. I found an article that mentions her husband confirming that it was not AR.

"Previous Marriage
Aguilar was married to KA, a former soldier once stationed at Fort Hood."

Cecily Aguilar: What we know about evil girlfriend accused of hacking, dismembering beloved Fort Hood soldier, Vanessa Guillen

Welcome! Excellent first post. This info corresponds with what I’ve seen. Glad you found a MSM link.

 

[Seattle1]

IMO, @m00c0w post (two up) is spot on. I don’t believe MSM has ever implied AR & CA were ever married. She was married to a prior service member, unrelated (IMO) to this case.

^^bbm

To be clear, I asked not because it was implied, but because it was actually stated in local MSM on July 2 and again today on July 6 (e.g., her estranged husband, his estranged wife).

Thanks to others, I now know these news reports are in error, and that CA was married to a different soldier.

July 6, 2020

Cecily Aguilar, 22, is accused of tampering with evidence in connection with the 20-year-old soldier’s disappearance. She told investigators her estranged husband, soldier Aaron Robinson killed Guillen with a hammer on April 22 and asked her to help him dispose of the body. Robinson died last week from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

Army confirms remains found belong to Vanessa Guillen; lawmakers demand independent investigation

July 2, 2020

U.S. Army Specialist Aaron Robinson, 20, who officials say committed suicide earlier this week, is accused of killing Guillen. Officials said Aguilar is Robinson’s estranged wife.

Soldier’s estranged wife charged in connection with Fort Hood soldier Vanessa Guillen’s disappearance, officials say

 

[CronesEye]

"Investigators analyzed Robinson’s phone and found that at 1:59 a.m. on April 23, Robinson’s cellphone was in the vicinity of FM 436 and West Main Street in Belton around a bridge. His phone tracked along the Leon River going north and was in the area for roughly two hours, the complaint says.

Investigators analyzed Aguilar’s phone as well. It revealed that she and Robinson were near the Leon River together on April 23 and April 26.

Based on the phone data, Army investigators searched Leon River on June 21. A “burn site with disturbed earth was identified.” The burned remains of what appeared to be a plastic tote or tough box were found near the area where Robinson’s phone was, but no remains were found."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/07/06/vanessa-guillen-case-cecily-aguilar-tied-killing-shows-court/5386086002/
"Mayra Guillen said the last text conversation she had with her sister was the night before she disappeared. The pair talked about Vanessa’s plans to buy a new car, she said.

However, Mayra Guillen suspected something was wrong the next day when her sister’s boyfriend said she was not answering texts or phone calls.

“As soon as I saw the clock strike 9 p.m. I knew she wouldn’t be working from 9 a.m. until 9 p.m.,” she said. “That’s when I started getting in touch with her sergeant.”

Mayra Guillen said she and Vanessa’s boyfriend have been in Killeen since her sister was listed as missing."
Army offers $15,000 reward to help find missing Fort Hood soldier

So the sergeant was notified that Vanessa was missing around 9 pm. And somewhere it was posted that 2 people saw AR loading a pelican box into his car with difficulty thought to be around 8:30pm. And CA and AR were around the river around 2 am.

I don't understand why a full fledged search and investigation didn't begin for her immediately. The earliest I can see a search start is April 25th.

Why wasn't AR questioned and watched immediately? Why wasn't an immediate alert put out so the 2 people who saw AR having trouble loading the pelican could put 2 +2 together?

If this was a civilian case it would have gone much differently.

 

[CronesEye]

I understand the warrant, but..what made it different after the remains were found at the river? Did they find evidence there that made them more suspicious of him? As far as what's been released, there wasn't anything new found incriminating him. Was there...maybe I missed it.

That first post about the warrant belongs to m00c0w post 469 so he could better answer your question. I was just remarking on how information is gathered has changed since I was in.

 

[Seattle1]

First time posting...long time lurker so I hope I do this right. I found an article that mentions her husband confirming that it was not AR.

"Previous Marriage
Aguilar was married to KA, a former soldier once stationed at Fort Hood."

Cecily Aguilar: What we know about evil girlfriend accused of hacking, dismembering beloved Fort Hood soldier, Vanessa Guillen

Welcome to WS @agaliunas3 and thanks for providing the MSM link that clearly reports CA and AR were never married. In fact, it seems they may have started dating in Feb 2020 -- at least that's when AR updated her FB relationship status.

 

[CronesEye]

First time posting...long time lurker so I hope I do this right. I found an article that mentions her husband confirming that it was not AR.

"Previous Marriage
Aguilar was married to KA, a former soldier once stationed at Fort Hood."

Cecily Aguilar: What we know about evil girlfriend accused of hacking, dismembering beloved Fort Hood soldier, Vanessa Guillen

I'm relatively new although 3 cases really pulled me in. I really appreciate your great find. It led me to find out CA is originally CB from Jackson, Michigan. This news article lists her schooling in her home town.
Odd she kept KA last name considering they have no children.
Woman accused of helping to hide body of Fort Hood soldier has Jackson ties
Woman accused of helping to hide body of Fort Hood soldier has Jackson ties