Found Deceased TX - PFC Vanessa Guillen, 20, Fort Hood military base, items left behind, 22 Apr 2020 *arrests* #3

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Super late jumper here. However, I just wanted to say, that this case is way to weird. I feel like there are answers that we aren’t getting. I don’t know a thing about the military, so I won’t act like I do. But a few things really stand out to me, coming from a standpoint of someone with a CJ degree..

I know we spoke about the cameras and someone said that they used to work there so they really didn’t have the cameras. If that is true, doesn’t it seem odd that they don’t as a military base. Even if they do have some cameras around the base, it make zero to me that the arms room, hallway of it, or a building outside of it doesn’t have cameras. I also heard that they’re is an office that’s like literally 100ft from it. So you mean to tell me absolutely no one heard a peep.

and again, if they had no cameras - it’s just all weird to me. If being a military base isn’t enough to have cameras in those areas — you would atleast think that 2009 shooting there would have atleast forced them to amp up the cameras within fort hood. Usually when big events like that happen, safety and security is looked at and it gets ramped up.

Of course this JMO, but it’s absolutely ridiculous that they would not have cameras especially in that area. You can say how much security they have in order to get in the room but still makes no sense. Also, the story that the gf gave maybe correct with what he told her, but I absolutely don’t think it’s the truthful story. I think he made that part up to his gf. Vanessa didn’t look like a girl who gave two craps about him and his gf. She could careless about contacting some ex husband of his gf. So I for sure feel like that was a lie on his part. This was also pre meditated. Not necessarily the Murder but could be that too. He texted her for a reason. She left her stuff in the room bc she planned on going back.

Gut feeling, he either called her over there and tried to make a move and she rejected him and it hurt his feelings so he snapped.

Or it gets deeper. There were more involved. Maybe she told another friend in her unit that she was about to turn him in which then they turned around and told him.

I still don’t understand why the army would be so quick to deny this and protect a specialist, but then again, they haven’t had the best record with cases recently either
 
California Sunset said:
I read there was blood evidence in his armory.
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Well, I'm so glad that it looks like there'll be a congressional investigation into the Army's handling of the investigation. If she left all of her things, including her blood spatter, in the armory that day, it really doesn't speak well to the way Ft Hood personnel handled this. At the very, very least, it was reckless and sloppy. Perhaps it was worse than that, and involved a bit of covering up...:(
 
Timeline: What to know about missing Fort Hood soldier Vanessa Guillen

July 5, 2020

Here's how the story has unfolded:

April 22
Officials within Vanessa Guillen's unit become aware she's missing, according to court documents.

April 23
The U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Command received notification from Guillen's captain that she was last seen on the Fort Hood base.

April 28
A search of Guillen's cellphone records, according to court documents, showed that one of the last persons she was in contact with was Aaron David Robinson.

CID investigators interviewed the 20-year-old Robinson, who told them that the day Guillen went missing he went to the off-post residence he shared with his girlfriend, Cecily Aguilar, according to court documents.

Robinson told investigators that he only left the house once, to go back to the base to log in on a computer to enroll in training, court documents show.

May 4
Vanessa's older sister, 22-year-old Mayra, started an online fundraiser to cover the cost of a private investigator and an attorney.

"My sister DID NOT sign up to the ARMY to be held AGAINST her will. We need to find her and get justice," Mayra Guillen wrote.

May 18
Investigators with CID talked to two witnesses who allegedly saw Robinson on April 22 leaving his work area with a large box that appeared "very heavy in weight," and place that box in his car before driving away, according to court documents.

May 19
Robinson consented to a search of his cellphone records, which showed that on the day Guillen went missing that he made several calls to his girlfriend, Aguilar, throughout the day into the early morning hours of April 23, according to court documents
 
The article does not clearly state what happened to her. The affidavit may or maynot contain the truth.
I would hope that the military taught the perp how to kill in one swift move. So one blow with the weapon and she’s dead. No screaming. Blood? Maybe she was moved then brutally attacked.
Too bad the Army did not teach her how to avoid being killed in hand to hand combat with the enemy. Or she hadn't taken that training module. So she didn't stand a chance.
Give Ft. Hood military the courtesy of being able to investigate the crime. Then we can jump on any congressional “investigation.”
I’d rather let the military and local LE do the investigating first. You know, boots on ground? And if there is a problem, time to clear it up. Make changes. Prevent more crime or other incidents. Reporting to Congress is like another Monday morning meeting. Useless. Action is needed. Not more meetings.
 
Well - shizzle.... I had today as her hearing... so - I'll post this so I can shorten it up a bit - and the update is in red.

Monday, July 6th:
*Initial Appearance (@ 11am CT) - TX – PFC Vanessa Guillen (20)(last seen April 22, 2020, reported missing April 23, 2020, Ft. Hood military base, remains were found (June 20, 2020) in a shallow grave next to the Leon River in Texas & the remains were sealed in concrete) - *Cecily Anne Aguilar (22) – (Robinson’s GF) – arrested (7/1/20) & charged (7/2/20) with 2nd degree tampering/fabricating with physical evidence with intent to impair a human corpse.
*Aaron David Robinson (20) one of the suspects, shot himself overnight at around 1:30 a.m. Wednesday (4/22/20) after learning human remains were found. He ran out in shorts when confronted and shot himself in the head. The suspects tried to burn Guillen & evidence at the crime scene, near Leon River, which is around 26 miles from the base. Aguilar helped dismember the body.
According to court documents, Vanessa, who was inexplicably called into work on her day off on the morning of April 22, 2020, went to an adjacent armory room, where junior soldier Aaron Robinson was working at the time. No one saw Guillen leave the armory room once she met up with Robinson & she stopped responding to text messages & calls. Guillen left her ID card, keys, and wallet behind in an armory room next to the room where Robinson worked, according to a witness. She never returned to pick the items up. Robinson told authorities that Guillen read off serial numbers for weapons & equipment when she arrived at the adjacent room. He claimed she then left to go a motor pool, where she was to hand off paperwork about a .50 caliber machine gun. Employees in the motor pool said they never saw Guillen.
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Found Deceased - TX - PFC Vanessa Guillen, 20, Fort Hood military base, items left behind, 22 Apr 2020 *arrests* #3
7/2/20 Update: Aguilar awaiting transfer by the US Marshals to a federal facility. Today (7/2/20), federal authorities filed a criminal complaint against Aguilar in connection with the disappearance of Vanessa. The criminal complaint charges Aguilar with one count of conspiracy to tamper with evidence. Upon conviction, Aguilar faces up to 20 years in federal prison and a maximum $250,000 fine. She remains in custody at this time awaiting her Initial Appearance in federal court in Waco. The hearing is expected to take place early next week. Assistant U.S. Attorneys Mark Frazier & Greg Gloff are prosecuting this case on behalf of the government. CA was transferred Friday (7/3/20) from Bell County to McLennan County to face federal charges. She arrived at the McLennan County Jail on State Highway 6 early Friday afternoon. She’s scheduled for an initial appearance before a U.S. magistrate judge at 11am on Tuesday, 7/7/20, changed to 7/6/20.
7/6/20 Update: LE moved her from Bell County jail to McLennan County jail so she could appear in Federal Court in Waco today, 7/6. Aguilar is held without bond after an initial appearance Monday morning before a federal magistrate judge. She’s charged with conspiracy to tamper with evidence with intent to impair a human corpse, according to online records. The offense carries a potential maximum sentence of 20 years in prison. A preliminary & bond hearing is scheduled for July 14. Attorney Lewis Berray Gainor was appointed to defend Aguilar.
 
Rest In Power: Demanding Justice for Vanessa Guillen

July 2, 2020

Guillen’s story is gaining traction around the nation—prompting local protests and an outcry from celebrities and politicians alike—as the soldier’s family has expressed frustration with the military’s response and its handling of the overall investigation.

Guillen’s disappearance and likely death have also prompted somewhat of a #MeToo moment for the military: Before her disappearance, Guillen had disclosed to her family that she was being sexually harassed and feared retaliation—causing her family to believe foul play in her disappearance.

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More questions surrounding Guillen’s case have surfaced, since Krysta Martinez—a fellow soldier who started the #IAmVanessaGuillen and #FindVanessa movements and pushed for answers in the search for Guillen—died in a car crash in June.

Additionally, Tim Miller, the director of Texas EquuSearch, said the discovery of Guillen’s remains was only 26 miles from where the remains of another missing soldier, Gregory Wedel-Morales, were found June 19. Foul play is believed to have played a role in the death of Wedel-Morales.
 
Have any of you looked on a map at the shear size of Ft. Hood? It’s the size of a city. It’s full of people. Animals. Vehicles. Weirdos. Loafers. Perverts. Drugs. Gangs. Alcohol. Like any city, it has other problems including discrimination. You will find sexual harassment everywhere: in cities, on islands, trains, cruise ships, it’s everywhere. It’s in Fort Hood. But it’s not just an Army problem. It’s widespread. Fort Hood is not immune from crime unrelated to the Army.
 
Military confirms body found was that of Vanessa Guillen

July 6, 2020

KILLEEN, Texas -- Dressed in a gray and white striped shirt and mask, a suspect in the disappearance of Fort Hood Army Specialist Vanessa Guillen faced a judge Monday morning.

Cecily Aguilar, 22, is charged with felony alteration and mutilation to impede an investigation after authorities say she helped hide the body of Guillen.

Aguilar appeared in front of the judge in Waco, where an affidavit read in court went into great detail of the first weeks of Aguilar and Aaron David Robinson trying to cover up what happened.

When asked if she understood the charges against her Aguilar reportedly said, "Yeah, yeah, sure."

[..]

If convicted, Aguilar faces up to 20 years in prison with a maximum $250,000 fine.

Aguilar's next court appearance will be for a preliminary hearing at 9 a.m. on July 14.


@Niner
 
There are a few questions that i would like to see answered:
1- Who was the last person to see VG?
2- Who saw VG leaving the armory and heading Northeast?* (Motor Pool?)
3- Who gave the perfect description of what VG was wearing that day? (her running shoes’ brand)*
4- Who called VG into work that day?
5- Since CA’s version of the events doesn’t seem to match what we were initially told regarding VG’s “disappearance”, do you, amazing sleuths, think LE checked (or is going to check) where CA’s phone pinged during the day of April 22? And also VG's and AR's phones?

MOO JMO

*info listed on VG’s NamUs MP poster (no longer available)
 
California Sunset said:
Perhaps you should read the link in my post, which right now is #512. The army has nothing of which to be ashamed or embarrassed. Let them do an investigation. I'd like to believe the article I read was accurate. Just because the info wasn't shared here doesn't mean the army wasn't up on the investigation.
She left her things in her armory, (or did she?) and he killed her in his armory. If he was known to be harassing her, he was not a superior, she didn't have to take orders from him, he should have been reported. If he was harassing her, why did she go to his work place? She apparently had no idea how dangerous he was. This makes no sense.
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I don't know whether or not AR was harassing her. However, based on what I have read from other women experiences, sometimes they end up still working with the very same person that raped them even after they reported the person. It takes alot to report someone regardless of the organization and the military does not have a good track record. It might even be worse for you to do so.So what do you do? you quit? You spend years fighting them? I mean just two years ago the one of the representative in the SHARP program was running a prostitution ring? Obviously she had no idea how dangerous he was, who thinks they are going to get murdered by a colleague at their place of work in the military? I would not be surprised if she was cautious of him but still went to do her job.

ALL MOO

To add, based on the reported timeline, it does seem that it was being investigated early on. It is possible because of their secrecy they did not do a good job of keeping in contact with the family. I would like to know what was the situation that allowed the sister and AR to meet.
 
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Lillymac said:
I made a simple statement that has been totally misconstrued. Maybe I didn't state it simple enough. But regardless, I'm done going over this. Thanks and goodnight...
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I mean, your first post stated quite clearly they only got location data after they searched the river site. This is untrue and the reverse of what happened. You then asked what changed after they searched the river (presumably to be able to get a warrant for geolocation data). Nothing changed because they already had the data. They got location data after individuals implicated him in the murder and there were calls between him and CA during the time period he said he was at her apartment that night. They searched the river site because of the location data they were able to obtain that put him at the river site. They didn’t find anything the first time they searched, but remains were recovered the second. As I said previously, they didn’t get location data because they searched the river site. They already had location data and searched the river site because of that data.
 
VAgirlatheart said:
Super late jumper here. However, I just wanted to say, that this case is way to weird. I feel like there are answers that we aren’t getting. I don’t know a thing about the military, so I won’t act like I do. But a few things really stand out to me, coming from a standpoint of someone with a CJ degree..

I know we spoke about the cameras and someone said that they used to work there so they really didn’t have the cameras. If that is true, doesn’t it seem odd that they don’t as a military base. Even if they do have some cameras around the base, it make zero to me that the arms room, hallway of it, or a building outside of it doesn’t have cameras. I also heard that they’re is an office that’s like literally 100ft from it. So you mean to tell me absolutely no one heard a peep.

and again, if they had no cameras - it’s just all weird to me. If being a military base isn’t enough to have cameras in those areas — you would atleast think that 2009 shooting there would have atleast forced them to amp up the cameras within fort hood. Usually when big events like that happen, safety and security is looked at and it gets ramped up.

Of course this JMO, but it’s absolutely ridiculous that they would not have cameras especially in that area. You can say how much security they have in order to get in the room but still makes no sense. Also, the story that the gf gave maybe correct with what he told her, but I absolutely don’t think it’s the truthful story. I think he made that part up to his gf. Vanessa didn’t look like a girl who gave two craps about him and his gf. She could careless about contacting some ex husband of his gf. So I for sure feel like that was a lie on his part. This was also pre meditated. Not necessarily the Murder but could be that too. He texted her for a reason. She left her stuff in the room bc she planned on going back.

Gut feeling, he either called her over there and tried to make a move and she rejected him and it hurt his feelings so he snapped.

Or it gets deeper. There were more involved. Maybe she told another friend in her unit that she was about to turn him in which then they turned around and told him.

I still don’t understand why the army would be so quick to deny this and protect a specialist, but then again, they haven’t had the best record with cases recently either
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The military doesn’t care about cameras in 80% of cases, especially when you’re dealing with old buildings like they have on Ft. Hood. New construction, sure. But it takes a lot of time and effort to actually do something like that, including running a bid for the contract and figuring out specifications and how exactly you want cameras set up. All of that for something that in most cases would not provide any real benefit, and would go unused and cost even more money in maintenance and upkeep. Most decision-makers in the army would probably rather have a few privates walking around and doing patrols if they felt something like that was necessary, than deal with the mess of installing and maintaining a camera system.

Vanessa didn’t look like a girl who gave two craps about him and his gf.
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What does a person like that look like? You can tell about her moral compass from her appearance? Adultery is an offense under UCMJ. I could easily see someone that cares about upholding values reporting this sort of thing, especially if it became something like an uncomfortable topic of conversation or he decided to show off pictures or brag or whatever. No public evidence of what actually transpired, but this is weirdly dismissive of a perfectly valid complaint she might have had.

I still don’t understand why the army would be so quick to deny this and protect a specialist, but then again, they haven’t had the best record with cases recently either
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The only thing the Army has denied is that he was the person she had told others was sexually harassing her. This appears to be true from what we know so far (he is junior enlisted, and not her supervisor). There has been no comment, as far as I know, as to what happened prior to the murder/what led up to the murder.
 
Another note on cameras - I would bet some decent money that if you asked a bunch of enlisted folks if they wanted cameras in their workspaces watching them all the time, they would decline. When cameras are in use, I have seen some over-the-top commanders and NCO leadership get the great idea to monitor productivity and cut down on “jackassery” by using those cameras to surveil troops.

PV2 Snuffy, why did you stop mopping for 10 minutes and talk to PFC Schmuckatelli? Here’s your counseling. SPC Joe, why were you going to the bathroom every 15 minutes? That isn’t very productive. Here’s your counseling.
 
Jessthinkin said:
I'm just saying that I doubt the full attack (and resulting, catastrophic skull and dental damage) happened in the armory. I'm far from a fan of the Army's investigation into this murder, but I can't imagine he'd have been able to clean up all the blood evidence if the full hammer attack happened in the armory.
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I'm sure he left behind traces of blood and evidence of cleanup. The question for me is did investigators ever look for it? They must have sealed it off as a crime scene at some point so we don't know what they have found by now.

I think AR killed Vanessa in a fit of rage so I don't doubt he hit her over and over with the hammer. I don't think he would have risked keeping her alive all day and half the night in the container. I doubt she would have survived long. Even one blow to the head would have caused a lot of blood loss although I guess it's possible that he kept her somewhere else and then transferred her in the container. I hope she didn't suffer that long.
 
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