Heaven Leigh
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I'm surprised they didn't delete their camera surveillance and didn't get rid of gun.
It appears they were dead before they reached the apts. MooIt was confirmed by the lady police officer in yesterdays presser that the victims were killed elsewhere, unknown, but believed to be close by. That's how I take it. She said there was a transaction earlier in the evening or something to that effect. I will go and re listen to it.
So, the four minutes timeframe is most likely CP rolling up outside the home (post deal/incident/murders) to ask for help and RP presumably says something along lines of "we can't do anything about it outside here. Meet you round the back of the Appts on Danny Kaye in a few minutes. Don't draw any attention to yourself and we will see you there".
Unless I've got the wrong end of the stick?
I think they knew and wanted to be caught. IMO I think they ran out and helped their son not really realising what they were doing- it’s possible they didn’t know the extent until they arrived. After the fact and complicit to it all took time to process- we don’t know how involved they were in reporting themselves. They certainly expected it and it wouldn’t surprise me if they had someone report them or identify them. Takes a lot of courage to walk in a police station and admit to aiding with murder and whilst people are quick to say they would go straight to the police station, I think people react differently. Just looking at local crimes in the UK, teenagers are sometimes reported by the parents but there is a time delay where they come around to the realisation of what has happened- often days or weeks.I'm surprised they didn't delete their camera surveillance and didn't get rid of gun.
Dead before getting to preciados home.It appears they were dead before they reached the apts. Moo
No, killed within the 4 minutes the vehicle was stopped at/near the Preciados home, as per the arrest affidavit.Dead before getting to preciados home
The affidavit has the cars location during the 4 minutes. It doesn’t specify they were killed in those 4 minutes. Again I think that the killings happened shortly prior and LE was able to get those pings. It will come out but I find that impossible to happen within those 4 minutesNo, killed within the 4 minutes the vehicle was stopped at/near the Preciados home, as per the arrest affidavit.
LE has video and phone location data, a clear time line of events.
Moo...
Good logicmy thoughts are that maybe the gun is registered or whatever TX law requires to her relative and thats why she admitted it was hers, so as not to drag that relative into it.
If she purchased it from a FFL dealer, then a background check will show that she bought it. It won't go any further than that. However, it's possible that the gun could have been gift (family members often hand these down) or it was a private purchase.my thoughts are that maybe the gun is registered or whatever TX law requires to her relative and thats why she admitted it was hers, so as not to drag that relative into it.
‘Very perplexing crime scene.’ Missing pregnant teen and her boyfriend found dead in a car
‘Very perplexing crime scene.’ Missing pregnant teen and her boyfriend found dead in a car
A missing pregnant Texas teenager and her boyfriend were found dead in a parked car Tuesday in San Antonio and police said they may have been there for days.www.live5news.com
Why "perplexing"? Because the very pregnant girl wasn't pregnant anymore, but found dead?
I'm surprised they didn't delete their camera surveillance and didn't get rid of gun.
BBM, I agree with you 100%.
Since we know there was video at the Charlie Chan residence of RP and MR leaving and getting into the truck. And we also know there is video from the residence which shows RP, MR and CP returning and getting out of the truck. One would think there should also be video from the residence that would also possibly show the following, including the times each occurred: (remember I said possibly, one or more may not apply)
1. KIA arriving at Charlie Chan residence.
2. CP leaving residence to meet with MG and SS waiting in the KIA outside.
3. KIA leaving area after CP gets into back seat.
4. CP returning to residence driving the KIA.
5. CP returning into the residence after the shootings of MG and SS took place.
6. RP, MR leaving to dispose of KIA at apartment complex, RP and MR getting into truck.
7. RP, MR and CP leaving to dispose of KIA at apartment complex, RP and MR getting into truck, CP into KIA.
8. RP, MR and CP all arriving back at residence and getting out of the truck after disposing of KIA.
These scenarios assume that MG, SS and CP may or may not have left the Charlie Chan residence in the KIA before the shootings. We do know the 'KIA' pinged at the Charlie Chan residence minutes before leaving to the apartment complex, so I think it safe to assume that if MG, SS and CP left to do the deal around the corner, down the street or somewhere else, at the very least CP returned to the Charlie Chan residence driving the KIA after the shootings and then followed or was followed by RP and MR in the truck to the apartment complex. I do not think four minutes is enough time to meet, shoot X 2 and get two people involved, formulate a plan and leave. There may certainly be other pings of the 'KIA' at the Charlie Chan residence LE is not disclosing. Ping's that show the KIA arriving much sooner than the ping's that were discolsed.
I'm a firm believer in we are only hearing part of the story as to what LE knows happened and LE only disclosed enough information to obtain arrest affidavits for each and that is all we know so far.
LE doesn't need to give the public a timeline as to when they think every certain events took place. That information will not likely come out until the trials in court.
JMO
Maybe myrta didn’t get rid of the gun on purpose— out of guilt?? Maybe it was her way of staying silent/not throwing her family under the bus and letting the evidence speak for itself?? She wants justice for the victims without actually saying I know my son/stepson did it??That really is perplexing! I'm baffled as to why they didn't make any moves towards fleeing or covering up this horrendous crime. Once that video footage was released, they knew it was just a matter of time.
Maybe they were in shock, having not known the severity of the crime if CP lied to them and claimed self defence? They could have slowly found out the truth from the news reportage and also guaranteed their phones would be ringing off the hook from people who know and recognised them from the video footage.
I suppose everyone would have told them to do the right thing and tell the truth and turn their son in? Maybe they were in holed up in the house, waiting for the knock at the door, discussing what to do and what the best action is? Maybe they were in the house desperately trying to figure out how to gather cash or use different identities to do a runner? Who knows?
JMO MOO
Maybe myrta didn’t get rid of the gun on purpose— out of guilt?? Maybe it was her way of staying silent/not throwing her family under the bus and letting the evidence speak for itself?? She wants justice for the victims without actually saying I know my son/stepson did it??
For a criminal, to not get rid of the gun is just flat out dumb, so did she hold onto it on purpose/out of guilt? Or is she really THAT dumb? I mean, it is after all, HER gun!
But then again, not getting rid of their surveillance video proves they aren’t the sharpest tools in the shed….
Or does it??
Maybe when she and Ramon got home they were like what have done?!?! and they both decided together they didn’t want to turn themselves in just in case they could get away with it, but if they couldn’t, they wanted to be able to prove they didn’t murder anyone and the only way to do that was to provide surveillance video?? (They had an alibi, and were in the house during the murders)
My mind is all over the place
I think they knew and wanted to be caught. IMO I think they ran out and helped their son not really realising what they were doing- it’s possible they didn’t know the extent until they arrived. After the fact and complicit to it all took time to process- we don’t know how involved they were in reporting themselves. They certainly expected it and it wouldn’t surprise me if they had someone report them or identify them. Takes a lot of courage to walk in a police station and admit to aiding with murder and whilst people are quick to say they would go straight to the police station, I think people react differently. Just looking at local crimes in the UK, teenagers are sometimes reported by the parents but there is a time delay where they come around to the realisation of what has happened- often days or weeks.
Yeh but if they helped with the bodies they knew Matthew didn’t have a gun so they knew CP was lying. Myrta was hiding that gun for a reason. I don’t think they knew until they got to the Kia, but once they got there they knew it was CP who had a gun and that Matthew was unarmed. And clean shots behind the ear…. Ramon knew those weren’t shots from a struggle.I seem to think it was stated that RP has assisted LE with their enquiries and been cooperative. Looks like he may have told everything except that MR was in the truck. I estimate he was hoping for leniency, a bail amount and conditions he could meet, MR completely left out of it. He'd maybe expect to be a free man on a tag and on a bail bond with a non-custodial sentence.
I can't imagine CP informed them the truth of what he'd done or that MR and RP were involved or even knew the extent of it all until news broke. He probably took MR's gun without her knowledge - he obv didn't have his own, or he'd have used that. JMO MOO
I was disturbed when I saw the family picture with all the family throwing gang signs. Who would consider that to be a normal family photo?It comes as no surprise, as I was insisting, that someone was in the backside of that truck. However, I worried that it was a young child, and didn't expect it to be the stepmother. Wow, a 4 minute crime, and somehow the whole family is willing to help CP. Something bothers me about it happening so fast, and then the willingness of CP's family members decisions to help with the clean-up. Oh, some say the parents were asleep when the killings happened, but they wasted no time in covering up what seems like planned lie in wait murders.
I guess stepmom felt she had to help out because lo and behold it was her gun that killed SS and MG. Ugh, I don't like seeing pride at your whole family throwing gang signs. Was CP a spoiled child? All MOO
I was disturbed when I saw the family picture with all the family throwing gang signs. Who would consider that to be a normal family photo?