TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers, 45, killed in church/suspect in SWAT gear, 18 Apr 2016 #41

[ocgrad]

NIN, I wasn't sure about your confirmation of 2 SPs proved by the logos, but I know you certainly have a better view of it on your system than what you can post for us and better than I have. But I zoomed in and although I can't slow it down I can watch it while repeatedly hitting pause/start so it moves one bit at a time. I do think the build and gate of the person going in the 1st room is different than the one who comes out. It could be explained by loading up tools and stuff in the vest, especially if something is heavy. BUT, I think the height is different too and that wouldn't be affected from carrying tools. I'm no expert but I tried measuring the shoulder height of the person as compared to the door window insert. Then I couldn't catch the one who emerged from the room to see the same comparison as there is a splice there. But I did compare the shoulder height to the window insert in the dutch door. I know they are different camera angles, so maybe you can determine if it would make that much difference. Or if there is a better way to compare height at the same door.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Respectfully even with trauma like your speaking the heart still beats for a few... thus there would be some blood spatter jmho

The heart has the ability to beat independently of the brain as long as it has oxygen. The heart will eventually stop beating as all bodily systems begin to stop working shortly after brain death. Remember the heart can beat, but your diaphragm and lungs wont. hence the cardiac muscles undergo asphyxiation and die off. However, immediately after death, there is enough oxygenated blood in the body to keep thing moving for a while http://biology.stackexchange.com/qu...keep-beating-if-it-is-separated-from-the-body

Why does the heart keep beating if a person is brain dead?

The heart has its own pacemaker independent of the brain. As long as it has oxygen, it continues to beat. The heart could actually be removed from the body, placed in saline solution, given oxygen, and still continue to beat. This is why although the brain is dead, the heart continues to beat. http://surgery.med.miami.edu/laora/community-services/brain-death

I believe what I believe. I suspect that Missy was shot in the head with very significant damage to the brain stem and death was instantaneous. Otherwise if this was purely a bludgeoning then SP would have significant amounts of blood on them that they would trail, drip, and get on anything and everything along their path out of the church and there would not be a presumption on MPD's part about which way SP went after the murder - it would be definitive.

 

[nearsouth]

I believe what I believe. I suspect that Missy was shot in the head with very significant damage to the brain stem and death was instantaneous. Otherwise if this was purely a bludgeoning then SP would have significant amounts of blood on them that they would trail, drip, and get on anything and everything along their path out of the church and there would not be a presumption on MPD's part about which way SP went after the murder - it would be definitive.

I think either THIS (what Jethro proposes), OR she was brought in already deceased.

I'm not a medical trauma expert, but it seems if there were multiple puncture wounds (presumably from the sharp end of a hammer) to head and chest there would be a lot of blood. Even if she was shot in the head it seems like there would be significant blood loss. Heck, maybe there was a LOT of blood and the SP was simply picked up in a car at the front door (NW main doors) right after the murder. Without knowing more details it's tough to speculate...


I know the affidavit text, but I'm open to the possibility of a more complex crime in which she was actually killed away from the church and brought in and I can envision the mechanics of how that could happen.

 

[gliving]

As to there being two different perps on the video: If they took the pains to look identical by wearing the same shoes, shin guards, pants, vest, helmet, etc, it seems to me they would make sure to put the patches on at the same exact place. :thinking:

 

[ocgrad]

As to there being two different perps on the video: If they took the pains to look identical by wearing the same shoes, shin guards, pants, vest, helmet, etc, it seems to me they would make sure to put the patches on at the same exact place. :thinking:

Maybe they never expected LE to report the notion that there is just one. And if they were also trying to fool MB that there had been an incident it makes sense there should be more than one officer.

 

[ezrah]

I think either THIS (what Jethro proposes), OR she was brought in already deceased.

I'm not a medical trauma expert, but it seems if there were multiple puncture wounds (presumably from the sharp end of a hammer) to head and chest there would be a lot of blood. Even if she was shot in the head it seems like there would be significant blood loss. Heck, maybe there was a LOT of blood and the SP was simply picked up in a car at the front door (NW main doors) right after the murder. Without knowing more details it's tough to speculate...


I know the affidavit text, but I'm open to the possibility of a more complex crime in which she was actually killed away from the church and brought in and I can envision the mechanics of how that could happen.

The timeline states MB is seen " walking in" the COC and first camper arrives approx 15 min. later. I don't see timewise the opportunity for her to be killed elsewhere and then be seen walking in the COC. What is your theory? I'm missing something.

 

[Dollcat]

I believe what I believe. I suspect that Missy was shot in the head with very significant damage to the brain stem and death was instantaneous. Otherwise if this was purely a bludgeoning then SP would have significant amounts of blood on them that they would trail, drip, and get on anything and everything along their path out of the church and there would not be a presumption on MPD's part about which way SP went after the murder - it would be definitive.

Agree on gunshot and puncture! This absolutely makes sense. I don't see if there was possible multiple blows to the head with hammer or rock pick etc that would be NO blood splatter, etc. I would think SP would be dripping blood on his/her exit.

 

[ZoriahNZ]

stills from the video are welcome but members need to explain what processes have been used if they have been enhanced, how so.

In others words has it been blown it up, dialed down or up the contrast, altered to black and white, saturation dialed down or up etc etc etc.

If you have stills you wish to post and discuss please provide a description of how they have been enhanced and a link to source for each.

Thank you,

tlcya

Two of the stills I posted were resized smaller due to my monitor resolution. I fiddled with the lightness and contrast slightly to try to get a better view of the whiter areas.

The third still was cropped, then scaled bigger so as to see it 'zoomed in'. I upped the darkness and contrast again slightly.

No other processes used.

 

[Oregonmama]

Maybe they never expected LE to report the notion that there is just one. And if they were also trying to fool MB that there had been an incident it makes sense there should be more than one officer.

JMO, but I truly think the sp(s) wanted to confuse LE. Even LE stated in the earlier pressers that they were unsure of the movements . This looks like to be planned very well and I wouldn't be surprised if there are multiple sp(s) that were involved in this. This is why I thought this case was getting freaky yesterday. JMO, but it most be hard to investigate a case when perhaps one of their own was involved

 

[arkansasmimi]

The timeline states MB is seen " walking in" the COC and first camper arrives approx 15 min. later. I don't see timewise the opportunity for her to be killed elsewhere and then be seen walking in the COC. What is your theory? I'm missing something.

Timeline and SWs

 

[arkansasmimi]

JMO, but I truly think the sp(s) wanted to confuse LE. Even LE stated in the earlier pressers that they were unsure of the movements . This looks like to be planned very well and I wouldn't be surprised if there are multiple sp(s) that were involved in this. This is why I thought this case was getting freaky yesterday. JMO, but it most be hard to investigate a case when perhaps one of their own was involved

JMHO the confusion of movements at the time (around 330 or 4pm 4/18) was the random walking halls, going into rooms, busting inside window (at least 1 inside that we know of), Metal door window, Kitchen window and 2 NE doors SW and Press Releases state through bld so we do not have facts on anything other than the 2:27 min we have seen.

JMHO I think there are more than one Suspect that planned this - even if just small parts and even possibly unknowingly. But at present (subject to change) I think only one in CCoC. Basing my thoughts on sworn affidavits of Probable Cause for SW (s)

 

[Elley Mae]

JMO, but I truly think the sp(s) wanted to confuse LE. Even LE stated in the earlier pressers that they were unsure of the movements . This looks like to be planned very well and I wouldn't be surprised if there are multiple sp(s) that were involved in this. This is why I thought this case was getting freaky yesterday. JMO, but it most be hard to investigate a case when perhaps one of their own was involved

Or is that what the suspect wanted? Seems that she was the target, jmo but to dress as though you are LE when in my opine was not needed, could have had all that on and not the logo's that ID'd suspect as LE. I know it sounds weird but maybe suspect was taunting LE or trying to make them look bad. Maybe suspect thought that looking like LE and knowing they would be on camera's that LE would not release the video. jmo idk

 

[nearsouth]

The timeline states MB is seen " walking in" the COC and first camper arrives approx 15 min. later. I don't see timewise the opportunity for her to be killed elsewhere and then be seen walking in the COC. What is your theory? I'm missing something.

ezrah,


My alternate theory is that multiple perps could be involved in the murder, and that Missy was killed earlier that morning (18th) or late PM on Sunday (17th).


Just as an example, let's suppose that Missy was involved with someone and went to see them late Sunday night. After all, Brandon is out of town on a trip and she might want to be with this person since she's been in Austin all week. Maybe this person called using a burner phone, or contacted her some other way. Maybe she even went out for drinks or to a private party or something.


So she goes somewhere to meet with the individual and she is killed there. Since this scenario would be pre-planned, a vehicle drops SP off at some point at the church to begin staging a 'burglary' constantly in radio contact with the other perps. A female with similar build drives Missy's truck to the church and wears a hood so she isn't recognized. At the same time a vehicle with Missy's body drives up to the front doors and moves her body inside.


Afterward, all perps exit in that waiting vehicle from main doors (NW facing). This would mean her body was just inside the main doors near sanctuary entry.


Obviously I've left out a lot of details in this scenario, but it's the only realistic thing I could come up with aside from what we all think happened which is an ambush in the church (which I think is the most likely, I just like to explore other ideas).


Without knowing more about the scene in the church, there's no way to know how much blood was present etc. It just seems any kind of attack with or without a gun or similar weapon, and certainly a hammer would create a really big mess and be tracked all over the place.




Here is the wording from the affidavit:


At approximately 0418 hours, the victim Terri Bevers is observed entering the building
through the main door under the awning area. The video shows Terri Bevers walking
toward where the suspects location. Neither the suspect nor victim, were seen again on
video. The victim was later found deceased at the south west comer of the interior of the
building.

 

[zigster58]

The timeline states MB is seen " walking in" the COC and first camper arrives approx 15 min. later. I don't see timewise the opportunity for her to be killed elsewhere and then be seen walking in the COC. What is your theory? I'm missing something.

Agree...imo.... we have to trust MPD is being honest with us, if not, then we can easily believe that there are bloody footprints and they are being dishonest with the public.


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[zigster58]

As to there being two different perps on the video: If they took the pains to look identical by wearing the same shoes, shin guards, pants, vest, helmet, etc, it seems to me they would make sure to put the patches on at the same exact place. :thinking:

JMO... I don't think the shoes were the same which is why many of us noticed that there may be 2 perps at the start of this case. It could also by why some of us thought it was a man but then noticed the walk might be a woman. Hopefully we will find out the truth soon.


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[ezrah]

Thanks nearsouth for stating your theory for me. I've never thought mb could have had a decoy body double but hey this case is complex and confusing. I think MPD would be able to tell if it was the real MB walking in JMHO. Let's hope they can and have enhanced and positively id it was in fact MB in her truck pulling in and walking in. Thanks again.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I believe what I believe. I suspect that Missy was shot in the head with very significant damage to the brain stem and death was instantaneous. Otherwise if this was purely a bludgeoning then SP would have significant amounts of blood on them that they would trail, drip, and get on anything and everything along their path out of the church and there would not be a presumption on MPD's part about which way SP went after the murder - it would be definitive.

I respect your belief.
JMHO we do not know what the crime scene consisted of. At the Press Conf we are referencing, Capt Spann would not comment on injuries. He was evasive as he should be on some questions.

Quoting you, "Otherwise if this was purely a bludgeoning then SP would have significant amounts of blood on them that they would trail, drip, and get on anything and everything along their path out of the church and there would not be a presumption on MPD's part about which way SP went after the murder - it would be definitive."

JMHO there very well could have been a trail of blood, drips and many things. Honestly that question was NOT asked, we (public) just assuming again.
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http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...eline-*NO-DISCUSSION*&p=12592838#post12592838
Male Reporter: Did the suspect stay around after the assault happened?

Captain John Spann:I believe he left shortly after that. Again, going back, piecing together the videos, because you're getting different angles,depending on what cameras, but I don't believe ––he left pretty much right after that occurred. I don't believe he went into other ––we don't have any indication that he went anywhere else, into any other rooms,within the building after the assault took place.<does not say anything about what crime scene looked like, or really any reason why they thought that, they were still reviewing, only that believe left "shortly" after that, Mimi>

Female Reporter:And is he seen fleeing? Is he seen after the assault?

Captain John Spann: Again, we see him walking down one of the hallways, but presumably he went out the way he came in, which was through a metal door that had a glass window that was broken out. <speaking in general what they see the suspects doing on video, nothing about any blood or no blood -mimi> And, again, this is all speculation on our part that he broke the window and reached inside to open the door, but we also have a second and third windows [sic] that were broken, but we don't have any evidence that anybody ever went through them. They were just broken. <speculation is about the broken window on the Metal door to kitchen, and the other windows broken (kitchen window next to metal door, and the NE rear doors) they would be able to tell if someone went through those doors/windows both prior and afterwards... , Mimi>


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/afterwards
Afterwards is an adverb. If something happens afterwards, it happens after a particular event or time that has already been mentioned. You often use afterwards in expressions like not long afterwards, soon afterwards, and shortly afterwards.
(examples given)
She died soon afterwards.
Shortly afterwards her marriage broke up.

 

[nearsouth]

JMO... I don't think the shoes were the same which is why many of us noticed that there may be 2 perps at the start of this case. It could also by why some of us thought it was a man but then noticed the walk might be a woman. Hopefully we will find out the truth soon.

It's so hard to tell from that video b/c the quality is so poor and the wide angle lenses distort subjects depending on distance and angle. I think it's very possible there are two SP in the church, but I can't see anything definitive from looking at the video.

If you really want to spend time seeing things take a closer look at the SWFA Altima video. I've looked at that one a lot and it is truly bizarre when you consider the editing that has been done.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Wow.

I have an idea.

Let's assemble a simple 10 questions that are still foggy or unanswered. And send them to the Midlothian police front desk or Facebook page to be answered. Jmo.

Because if I was a mother in Midlothian. I would be scared if my murder case that was filmed on video at a church; still wasn't solved. Jmo.

 

[zigster58]

It's so hard to tell from that video b/c the quality is so poor and the wide angle lenses distort subjects depending on distance and angle. I think it's very possible there are two SP in the church, but I can't see anything definitive from looking at the video.

If you really want to spend time seeing things take a closer look at the SWFA Altima video. I've looked at that one a lot and it is truly bizarre when you consider the editing that has been done.

Yes I agree. I noticed that the perp looks very big at double doors but as perp turns and walks down the hall, he looks thinner. I think this is so confusing. The only thing that I really noticed was the different shoes but like you, not sure I can trust everything I see. I gave up on the Altima video [emoji31] my head is spinning .....!! Thanks for your input.


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