I recently heard a podcast about this incident. Stephanie Lazarus was a woman scorned, and apparently must have thought the death of his wife would bring Mark Rasmussen back to her. I don't really see any parallels. What do you think is similar?
Sorry about quoting myself. As to my use of the word "proof:" Confirmation would have been more accurate.Do we know for sure that the SP suit was not removed at the murder location? SP takes off outerwear where she stands, and, dressed in all black, tighter fitting clothes (that would limit evidence left in suit), high tails it out of the building. I think there are several ways out that would limit detection, esp with motion-activated cameras.I do believe she could have left on foot, several ways to do that, also. This is a highly motivated individual, and adrenaline would help keep her moving. I don't think she used a four-wheeler or motorcycle anywhere close to the church building, but made her way on foot to a place quite a distance away. If I remember correctly, daybreak was over an hour away.Yes, I think a she, but she isn't on any search warrant, to my knowledge. Very close to Missy. With a personal vendetta. No proof, jmo.(I also think there may be a fire department connection, but I've got no proof for that, either. I need to do more research and RL has made that impossible for the time being.)As always, jmo. JMO!I also believe LE is hard at work, and that we will see justice for Missy, though it may not come as soon as we might like. Some of the evidence just takes a long while to process, and then linkage to someone may be longer yet.But it certainly is hard to be patient.
I have always found the Dallas Observer article a bit strange, but I just went back and reread it. I think that you might be right. It's interesting reading it through a different lens.
http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/...-in-missy-bevers-murder-investigation-9129736
For Johnson the danger is that the rampant speculation is hurting innocent people and hampering his search for real clues. “Overall has social media hurt or helped this investigation?” Johnson says. “I don’t know how to answer that. Has the information been a distraction? Yes. Do we want to dig into every piece of information? Yes, and we will continue to. There have been a lot of comparisons — at least internally — between this case and the murder of the Kaufman County District Attorney in how that stuff came in about the killer. It was innocuous. It didn’t seem to connect at the time, and then the name re-emerged. When they dug into it, it led into another really small detail that really cracked the thing open.
“So I think that’s been our concern from the beginning,” he adds. “In those 1,300 to 1,400 tips, is there some innocuous tip that has some aspect that we missed? Unfortunately it’s impossible to know until you know."
I just did a cursory reading of the Kaufman County DA case. That was a revenge killing, and the killer did strike again (second time killing was the same motive as the first time - different victims). I am going to do some more research this afternoon.
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crim...h-row-a-year-ago-today-for-kaufman-da-murders
JMHO I think the answer to #1 may be what has happened online as with Dallas Observer article. JMHO I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they were asked to do the article. Off the record of course. Reporter may have made some "donut" points with MPD if did on his own.
It is strange though, nothing publicly then that one article from Waxahachie paper stating they have cleared someone that wasn't publicly ever called a POI. (but they cleared in June, when all the people were calling in "tips")
Remember when they announced they were taking the weekend off becaue they had been working around the clock for days? After hearing the Press Conf ... then reading that Dallas Observer article.. puts things in perspective a little, on one hand why not speaking out . Just never seen this before.
- missing firearm(s) ... There were also missing firearms in Ellis County that were located at a PAWN store-not saying guns were involved in mb murder.
Pure speculation. I just think the parallels are extremely interesting. May help provide LE another theory of the crime...but they've likely already pursued this avenue ad nauseum.
I've mentioned this before, and perhaps it is parsing words. Don't jump on me too fiercely!! The references in this article seem to pertain to early tips, so the past tense is noted. However, there is not a reference to "cleared". Saying the tip didn't materialize and was closed out months ago doesn't mean there haven't been more. Regardless, the person in question has not been cleared, right?
I agree. Wouldn't be surprised if the article was solicited.
http://www.waxahachietx.com/news/20...-bevers-murder-dispelled-by-midlothian-police
When you read the backstories of the Kaufman County murders, you will see that DA McClelland suspected Williams from the outset. Williams stole from the county and was caught on video. He was fired and charged. The information leading to the storage unit containing the car used in the murders helped break the murder case. The public was scared before the arrest and were told be be cautious. Since Mike Hasse had previously been an ADA in Dallas County prosecuting some scary criminals, there were additional possibiities/POIs before the McClellands were assassinated in their home. Don't want to get much off topic, but the similarities I see - so far - are the costumes.
ETA: I forgot to mention his wife participated in planning and drove the car. She was indicted and flipped on ol Erick, who is now on death row.
Quote Originally Posted by DeDee View Post
1. grand jury is in session and they are hearing about the case
Eternal optimist! If LE has done all that they could, then the DA must carry the probable cause burdens to the GJ. Not sure if GJ currently has the case but, if not, they should soon. Eventually, there are no more leads to follow. We've surpassed that point, haven't we? Lay it all out there for the GJ and let them decide who should be indicted. jmo
That's not how it normally goes. GJ indictments usually occur after the fact of a warrant and an arrest, not before.
Yes, a GJ has the power to do its own investigation, such as with the Ramsey's in Colorado, but that's rare.
In TX they are basically a rubber stamp for the prosecutor and return a True Bill in 95% of cases.
The accused normally is aware of the proceeding beforehand and has an opportunity to present their side. So since they're going to be aware that there is a potential indictment, why not go ahead and arrest them first before they know anything is afoot. That way you can collect bond and reduce the chances they make a run for it.
All the GJ determines is probable cause, anyway. If LE do their job, they consult with the DA before getting the arrest warrant. The judge has to agree with the probable cause affidavit before he will sign it. The arrest is made, and THEN presented to a GJ (along with 40 or 50 other cases all at once so they can line 'em up and mow 'em down).
See if I make any sense in my comparison views. SWFA on Left... rainy afternoon May 2016 drive around SWFA, what can see from driver/passenger point of view. Little did know THEN that the SWFA video from April 18, 2016 would be released. Hopefully you can see what the Altima driver view was from those points in SWFA video.
**Disclaimer this was my first time so be nice I told ya'll I am not NIN
Respectfully BBM. Your absolutely correct, as far as public is aware, NO ONE HAS BEEN CLEARED. Sorry and I knew better
illowfight2: :tyou:
:websleuther: you're the encyclopedia!!! LOL. No sorry needed!!!
RBBM, Not so fast the GJ is secret and there are provisions where a Suspect has an indictment and not aware or arrested yet. No snark intended, but as we have seen today is 10 months since the murder and nothing about this case has appeared normal since it happened. JMHO
Rule 6. The Grand Jury
https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_6
4) Sealed Indictment. The magistrate judge to whom an indictment is returned may direct that the indictment be kept secret until the defendant is in custody or has been released pending trial. The clerk must then seal the indictment, and no person may disclose the indictment's existence except as necessary to issue or execute a warrant or summons.
Respectfully BBM. Your absolutely correct, as far as public is aware, NO ONE HAS BEEN CLEARED. Sorry and I knew better
illowfight2: :tyou:
I think the SP jumped in his vehicle and hauled *advertiser censored*. Blood would have to of gotten somewhere in the vehicle. Find the vehicle and find the SP. Also he would have probably ditched the SWAT uniform ASAP, especially if he was married and his wife was home. Where could the clothes be ditched quickly?
Mimi, we can go look up and copy-and-paste statutes all day (your example above does not apply btw because it is about federal grand juries, not state). And statutes can tell us how the process CAN work. But they don’t tell us how the process DOES work, in actual practice. And as someone who lives in Texas, I can tell you that in actual practice, the grand jury indictment comes AFTER arrest.
In Texas, grand juries try to mow through as much work as possible in as little time as possible:
“a given Grand Jury will hear hundreds of cases each day that it meets”
http://www.dallascriminallawyer.com/grand_jury_rep.html
(think about that - minimum 200 cases, let's say a 10-hour day, that's a case every 3 minutes)
Many attorney law firms in Texas have their own websites where they talk about how the grand jury process works. Even there, they assume that the felony charge will have come before the grand jury:
“If you are asked to answer a felony charge and possibly be incarcerated, you have the right to a grand jury.”
http://www.bobbydalebarina.com/criminal-law/how-do-indictments-and-grand-juries-work-in-texas/
So again, there isn’t going to be some secret grand jury putting long hours in poring over a thick case file given to them by the Ellis County prosecutor in order to determine who the likely suspects are and decide who to charge. It just doesn’t happen that way. Feel free to find a recent example of a murder indictment in Texas that came before a person had even been publicly charged.
MPD, if and when they come up with a likely suspect, will then go about establishing probable cause. If and when they believe they have it (and they will probably have the DA review their evidence to get agreement), they will then prepare the arrest warrant, have a judge sign it (so now they have the DA and a judge agreeing that there is probable cause), and then go arrest the suspect. When they’ve followed the steps in that order, the grand jury indictment is a slam dunk.
So all this grand jury talk is a waste of space, IMHO. People don't need to hold their breath thinking some magic is going to come out of the process of a GJ being in session. All they are doing is rubber-stamping the hundreds and hundreds of felony arrests that have taken place since the last time they were in session. A grand jury just really isn't that grand.
Respectfully I didn't say that the GJ would "going to be some secret grand jury putting long hours in poring over a thick case file given to them by the Ellis County prosecutor in order to determine who the likely suspects are and decide who to charge." The way I understand what I have read few different times, over couple years is that once the DA has their Suspect with their Probable Cause they go to the GJ to get an Indictment , they do not go there for the GJ to determine who the likely Suspect is. Nor do I think that.
And as far as "So all this grand jury talk is a waste of space, IMHO. People don't need to hold their breath thinking some magic is going to come out of the process of a GJ being in session. All they are doing is rubber-stamping the hundreds and hundreds of felony arrests that have taken place since the last time they were in session. A grand jury just really isn't that grand." While I respect you and your opinion very much Cannonball, we all have the choice to scroll on by something we aren't interested in or agree with. I live reading and learning. Hugs Mimi
And sorry if you don't like my copy and paste. But it is sharing and it is a link to factual information, that was being spoken about- so that someone doesn't just think I am giving my opinions as facts. And since we (public) know nothing as it has not happened yet, no way you or I can say it will not happen in "this" case.
TEXAS CODE OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
TITLE 1. CODE OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
CHAPTER 20. DUTIES AND POWERS OF THE GRAND JURY
Art. 20.22. PRESENTMENT ENTERED OF RECORD. (a) The fact of a presentment of indictment by a grand jury shall be entered in the record of the court, if the defendant is in custody or under bond, noting briefly the style of the criminal action, the file number of the indictment, and the defendant's name.
(b) If the defendant is not in custody or under bond at the time of the presentment of indictment, the indictment may not be made public and the entry in the record of the court relating to the indictment must be delayed until the capias is served and the defendant is placed in custody or under bond.
Acts 1965, 59th Leg., vol. 2, p. 317, ch. 722.
Amended by Acts 1979, 66th Leg., p. 1033, ch. 463, Sec. 2, eff. June 7, 1979; Acts 1999, 76th Leg., ch. 580, Sec. 3, eff. Sept. 1, 1999.
Amended by:
Acts 2007, 80th Leg., R.S., Ch. 628 (H.B. 587), Sec. 2, eff. September 1, 2007.
Acts 2011, 82nd Leg., R.S., Ch. 278 (H.B. 1573), Sec. 2, eff. September 1, 2011.
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/CR/htm/CR.20.htm
Federal
Rule 6. The Grand Jury
https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_6
4) Sealed Indictment. The magistrate judge to whom an indictment is returned may direct that the indictment be kept secret until the defendant is in custody or has been released pending trial. The clerk must then seal the indictment, and no person may disclose the indictment's existence except as necessary to issue or execute a warrant or summons.
-Nin :great: