TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers, 45, killed in church/suspect in SWAT gear, 18 Apr 2016 #43

[MittenScarpetta]

Sorry the other door I was meaning is at the end of MPD video where Suspect comes out door prior to video zoom and hitting the door across hallway. Look to the left of suspect same side hall. Door propped open, can see the shiny part of bottom of door open.

Have to go refresh memory but this door in the our post was already open when comes out IIRC

Edit just watched MPD video and in video door already propped open and suspect walks out. At beginning of MPD video.

Thank you! I’m sorry, I still get turned around when referencing the video in comparison to the map. I’m not a visual person and I have zero sense of direction :facepalm:

 

[MittenScarpetta]

SBM for clarity

Edit just watched MPD video and in video door already propped open and suspect walks out. At beginning of MPD video.

So, you see the door that was already propped open in beginning of the video. Do we know what door this is?



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[arkansasmimi]

I have heard that numerous times, of course it could just be speculation. I do find it interesting that Missy had a business page that she would use to communicate posts with cg campers but that page has been taken down. Perhaps she had posted it on there about class being held inside?


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Catching up, but if you're speaking of the Midlothian CG page, it still up or was last time looked (disclaimer been a bit , but other trainers used it also). Also it was statec here by many CG members that CG also has/had an app of some sort just for CG. We don't know what was sent on that to campers at that time.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Catching up, but if you're speaking of the Midlothian CG page, it still up or was last time looked (disclaimer been a bit , but other trainers used it also). Also it was statec here by many CG members that CG also has/had an app of some sort just for CG. We don't know what was sent on that to campers at that time.

Thank you! It wasn’t the midlo cg page. It was an actual page she had linked to her fb as a business page. Well, there were actually two-one for the vault jeans & another for personal training. The vault jeans one is still there, the other is not. I’m not sure if I am allowed to post the name of the page or not.


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[rosesfromangels]

I’m going to continue a line of speculation I started in a post upthread.
I think it’s important to examine all vendors, routine deliver persons, meter readers, window washers and so forth that came to that location on a routine basis. Only vendors who did not come inside the building.

Someone who had that connection to the church, as a provider of some sort.

 

[KaaBoom]

Did everyone really know all that? Although I suspected the husband, I was surprised to learn of his involvement with a violent, drug-dealing biker gang, and didn't know she was pursuing a divorce, much less that she had threatened to expose his alleged criminal activity. Unless I missed it, none of that was in the press for years, and in fact after the initial coverage, there was very little coverage of the case at all for years -- even less than for Missy Bevers, I estimate.

Anyway, I'm not comparing the particulars of the cases or suggesting that Brandon Bevers is involved with a biker gang or his wife's murder. I am saying there's likely much we don't know happening behind the scenes in law enforcement, who probably have far more evidence than we think they do.

Well, April Kauffman's daughter knew it, and was leading a crusade to get him convicted. The police refused to ever clear him, so he could collect the insurance money. So far as I understand, he was their prime suspect from the beginning, until he was arrested. OTHO, MB's family, friends and co-workers have all been cleared. That was not the case with April Kauffman. So this case is not going to have the same outcome.

 

[arkansasmimi]

So, you see the door that was already propped open in beginning of the video. Do we know what door this is?



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It is room 8. There are 2 doors to that room. See the # by the one door. Now go look at photos on the church FB. Now another thing the rear doors that were busted in rear are at what is bottom area of video.

Respectfully you said you have read 90% of threads, this has been discussed and over discussed. Heck NG even used my little layout sketch.

 

[KaaBoom]

How do you know that there is no POI's in this case and it is cold unless you are LE and you are not. Silence from LE does not mean a case is cold. This case has a high amount of armchair detectives and MPD has stated that it has bothered their investigation with crazy leads .JMO

I believe it is common knowledge that the first 48 hours is the critical time period in any investigation. If enough evidence was gathered in the first 48 hours, I don't think this case would be dragging out this long.

 

[Oregonmama]

I believe it is common knowledge that the first 48 hours is the critical time period in any investigation. If enough evidence was gathered in the first 48 hours, I don't think this case would be dragging out this long.

Do you have a link for that or is this speculation?

 

[KaaBoom]

MPD isn’t going to share all their evidence with us, nor should they. I think they want an arrest just as much as everyone else. Not everyone is corrupt, and you can blame a few bad cops for all of them. JMO

I didn't say anything about the cops being corrupt, or about bad cops. But since you brought it up, the police in this country are not doing a great job of solving cases.

 

[KaaBoom]

Respectfully, where the kitchen is, is a fact. Many church photos were gone over by myself and many others.
The room Suspect is seen coming out of, that is propped open, is room 8 which is next to the kitchen and has a door that opens from kitchen into room 8. I know from looking that it is not kitchen walking out of, as kitchen doors open into room, and room 8 opens out into hallway.

I appreciate that work, but I think it is still highly speculative. You are probably right, but I'm not 100% convinced. My main issue was with a post that said he spent a lot of time in the kitchen. I don't think there is any evidence to back that up. Only a few reports that he spent some time in the kitchen area. It's not clear from the evidence how long he spent in any one part of the building. I don't think he spent a lot of time in the kitchen. He was only in the building for about a half an hour, and he seemed to be moving along slowly, and methodically, not spending a lot of time in any one place.

 

[KaaBoom]

Do you have a link for that or is this speculation?

Not speculation, common knowledge from many scholarly sources.

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[arkansasmimi]

I appreciate that work, but I think it is still highly speculative. You are probably right, but I'm not 100% convinced. My main issue was with a post that said he spent a lot of time in the kitchen. I don't think there is any evidence to back that up. Only a few reports that he spent some time in the kitchen area. It's not clear from the evidence how long he spent in any one part of the building. I don't think he spent a lot of time in the kitchen. He was only in the building for about a half an hour, and he seemed to be moving along slowly, and methodically, not spending a lot of time in any one place.

Respectfully,All you need to do is look at photos from the church Facebook page to see that is fact. And the fact that Spann stated about metal door. I do agree we don't know how long Suspect was in kitchen. But we have to go by what MPD have stated, keeping in mind what was said and most importantly when. It was still early, that day of murder. But we have never been told anything different. Also we do not know for fact how long inside building and very little"evidence". Very little.

 

[SteveS]

Are you saying 8-9 minutes because the first video released was time stamped at 3:58? If so, how do we conclusively know s/he dawdled for 8-9 minutes?

The 8-9 minutes is simple math, and knowing conclusively know s/he dawdled for 8-9 minutes is simple logic.
1 3:50 ....Per LE, the perp was first seen on video at 3:50. That would be when he first entered the hall, since that's where the cams were, and it would be a kitchen-to-hall door, since the exterior kitchen door is where he broke into the building. So we can place the perp's location at 3:50 with some certainty.
2 3:59/9 ...Perp is seen on timestamped video available to us at the SW corner area of the church.
3 Math ...that means there was 8-9 minutes between when the perp was first seen by LE entering the halls from the kitchen, and when he was seen in the SW corner
4 Fact ...it's not that far from pt A to pt B to take anywhere near 8-9 minutes in an empty building ... it's a stroll of perhaps a minute
5 Logic ... in getting from pt A to when we see him at pt B, he couldn't have done so in a beeline or even a purposeful walk, so instead must have dawdled, backtracked, detoured, or somesuch

 

[KaaBoom]

Respectfully,All you need to do is look at photos from the church Facebook page to see that is fact. And the fact that Spann stated about metal door. I do agree we don't know how long Suspect was in kitchen. But we have to go by what MPD have stated, keeping in mind what was said and most importantly when. It was still early, that day of murder. But we have never been told anything different. Also we do not know for fact how long inside building and very little"evidence". Very little.

The MPD hasn't stated much of anything. They were very vague at the beginning about what the suspect did in the church. Since then they haven't released any new information, and I doubt they ever will.

 

[Cannonball3804]

Respectfully, where the kitchen is, is a fact. Many church photos were gone over by myself and many others.
The room Suspect is seen coming out of, that is propped open, is room 8 which is next to the kitchen and has a door that opens from kitchen into room 8. I know from looking that it is not kitchen walking out of, as kitchen doors open into room, and room 8 opens out into hallway.

Actually, per some church bulletins that you posted in thread 4, room 6 is beside the kitchen.

I didn't take KaaBoom's post to be about where the kitchen is. I took it as KaaBoom thinking it was speculation that it was the kitchen that SP first broke into.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

It is room 8. There are 2 doors to that room. See the # by the one door. Now go look at photos on the church FB. Now another thing the rear doors that were busted in rear are at what is bottom area of video.

Respectfully you said you have read 90% of threads, this has been discussed and over discussed. Heck NG even used my little layout sketch.

You’ll have to forgive me, as I stated before I get turned around with the maps and rooms. I have ever since those discussions began, in the first couple weeks of this case. I remember your map being on NG, in fact she went ahead and threw security cameras in without knowing where they were. I know you worked hard on the map and details. I’ve also seen Jethro’s map and read all of those threads. I was mistaken by thinking the door that was propped open before the sp walked out of the attached room, could have alerted LE to the specific time of 3:50.


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[Cannonball3804]

It is room 8. There are 2 doors to that room. See the # by the one door. Now go look at photos on the church FB. Now another thing the rear doors that were busted in rear are at what is bottom area of video.

Respectfully you said you have read 90% of threads, this has been discussed and over discussed. Heck NG even used my little layout sketch.

You’ll have to forgive me, as I stated before I get turned around with the maps and rooms. I have ever since those discussions began, in the first couple weeks of this case. I remember your map being on NG, in fact she went ahead and threw security cameras in without knowing where they were. I know you worked hard on the map and details. I’ve also seen Jethro’s map and read all of those threads. I was mistaken by thinking the door that was propped open before the sp walked out of the attached room, could have alerted LE to the specific time of 3:50.


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So where the heck is room 6? An early thread has a pic of a bulletin that refers to room 6 being "near the kitchen".

 

[MittenScarpetta]

So where the heck is room 6? An early thread has a pic of a bulletin that refers to room 6 being "near the kitchen".

Cannonball, The map I’m looking at has room 6 in the far Southeast corner.

 

[Cannonball3804]

Cannonball, The map I’m looking at has room 6 in the far Southeast corner.

The offices are in the SE corner. If you're looking at the map Jethro4WS did in July 2016, there is an O6 that is in the far SE corner. That's not the room 6 I'm referring to.