TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers, 45, killed in church/suspect in SWAT gear, 18 Apr 2016 #43

[Razz]

I've been thinking. Tricia thinks she sees a female. So....what if a strong man beats in the doors and then has a young female go inside dressed in SWAT gear.

His instructions to her is: "Just circle around the hallways, bash a few windows but not in the main hallway. When you get to the main foyer let me in. I'll do the deed. You won't get dirty or bloody and even if they find some of the articles of clothing, nothing will be on them. Get the car started and I'll be right there."





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[ocgrad]

I've been thinking. Tricia thinks she sees a female. So....what if a strong man beats in the doors and then has a young female go inside dressed in SWAT gear.

His instructions to her is: "Just circle around the hallways, bash a few windows but not in the main hallway. When you get to the main foyer let me in. I'll do the deed. You won't get dirty or bloody and even if they find some of the articles of clothing, nothing will be on them. Get the car started and I'll be right there."





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I have long said 2 different people, but how do you reconcile the affidavit stating one person?

 

[arkansasmimi]

Well, this was fairly soon after my visit. The main error I see is that I wrote the NW wall instead of the SW wall.

The Cub Room became a receptionist's area, nicely painted in a pale yellow and a lady was on the phone sitting behind the desk when I entered the Main Entrance.

The Rooms are not numbered. Actually, it is the doors that are numbered. This week I've been told there is no Family Restroom even though I saw it with my own eyes. It was adjacent to the two Restrooms, Ladies 16 and Men's 15, located in the alcove. I cannot explain why restrooms are numbered.

Another error, I agree the Library was beautiful and well lit along the South corridor. It was not numbered. It was not a deep room and recently I placed it as 01 on Jethro's map.

When SP comes back up the S hall, heading to the Western hallway and stops to use his light to see the number on the wall, to SPs right hand side, those double doors lead into the the Sanctuary.

I will not live long enough to understand the numbering system of the Church layout.

In fact, we can ignore this entire post and forget everything written here for I have been so enmeshed with these rooms and numbers the past week that I need to visit my priest to assure I haven't lost my mind somewhere along the way.

While at Walmart today, happen to be in area near where restrooms were. They have a family restroom right next to the just so happens Ladies restroom. Since it very apparent that the room the Suspect used the pry bar type tool is in very close proximity to Ladies restroom possible that is or was a family restroom. No windows are on door. Really doesn't matter in big picture as room for all we know was locked.

You haven't lost your mind, but have your priest say a prayer for case if you still feel need to visit. Big hugs De!! :loveyou:

 

[janesmith787]

I have long said 2 different people, but how do you reconcile the affidavit stating one person?

I can’t get on board with 2 people actually there, personally. There’s so many angles of the cameras that can change things. I think there were others involved in the planning, but I can’t imagine them lying in a sworn affidavit. I’m not about to go dig through old threads, but I think BatBrat or Jethro even posted examples of how the different angles can make a big difference in how weight appears. JMO


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[Razz]

I have long said 2 different people, but how do you reconcile the affidavit stating one person?

Because it was the perfect ruse. SP was the only one seen. They figured SP committed the murder but what police didn't count on was a switcheroo in the front entry when SP let someone else in. The person who actually committed the murder was never seen.

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[arkansasmimi]

I have long said 2 different people, but how do you reconcile the affidavit stating one person?

Agree, multiple SW say that and on May 20 press conference when Johnson revealed some results from Tarrant Cty forensic thing said one person. That was after the first batches of SW, then the Dec 2016 says same language.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Because it was the perfect ruse. SP was the only one seen. They figured SP committed the murder but what police didn't count on was a switcheroo in the front entry when SP let someone else in. The person who actually committed the murder was never seen.

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Well unless someone rats someone out, if an arrest that person 1 is getting the murder charge by their lonely . Jmho
MPD said not ruling anything or anyone out. But have never, ever gave reason to believe more that one person dressed in SWAT type clothing. Jmho.

 

[Razz]

I can’t get on board with 2 people actually there, personally. There’s so many angles of the cameras that can change things. I think there were others involved in the planning, but I can’t imagine them lying in a sworn affidavit. I’m not about to go dig through old threads, but I think BatBrat or Jethro even posted examples of how the different angles can make a big difference in how weight appears. JMO


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They didn't lie because they didn't know!

IMO the murder took place in the
main entrance foyer. The person who killed MB knew the cameras didn't work in that area. So SP wandered around and was seen but he/she let someone else in at the main foyer and it was a whole different person who did the murder.



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[Razz]

Well unless someone rats someone out, if an arrest that person 1 is getting the murder charge by their lonely . Jmho
MPD said not ruling anything or anyone out. But have never, ever gave reason to believe more that one person dressed in SWAT type clothing. Jmho.

There was only 1 person dressed in SWAT gear. Let's say it's the younger person. They didn't do the murder but helped someone else do it. So, that really confuses things. SP did not murder MB.

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[lstiff]

They didn't lie because they didn't know!

IMO the murder took place in the
main entrance foyer. The person who killed MB knew the cameras didn't work in that area. So SP wandered around and was seen but he/she let someone else in at the main foyer and it was a whole different person who did the murder.



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If there were 2 SPs, this is the theory I could believe. If there was someone off camera that was the killer, LEOs would only see 1 and have no reason to think there were 2. There is no 100% certainty unless they have video of SP entering and leaving. I’m not saying that’s my theory but it’s believable & if it was a team effort.

IMO

 

[Razz]

If there were 2 SPs, this is the theory I could believe. If there was someone off camera that was the murder, LEOs would only see 1 and have no reason to think there were 2. There is no 100% certainly unless they have video of SP entering and leaving. I’m not saying that’s my theory but it’s believable & if it was a team effort, believable.

IMO

But only one person in SWAT gear.
So one was dressed in SWAT and the other? It didn't matter because he would never be on camera!

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[Razz]

Well unless someone rats someone out, if an arrest that person 1 is getting the murder charge by their lonely . Jmho
MPD said not ruling anything or anyone out. But have never, ever gave reason to believe more that one person dressed in SWAT type clothing. Jmho.

Not if SP was a younger family member. They will never be able to prove who did what. It is a perfect ruse.


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[janesmith787]

Not if SP was a younger family member. They will never be able to prove who did what. It is a perfect ruse.


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Do you have suspects in mind that fit this theory? Not asking you to name them of course. More so meaning is this driven by a suspicion of who did it or just another idea of what could have happened?


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[arkansasmimi]

There was only 1 person dressed in SWAT gear. Let's say it's the younger person. They didn't do the murder but helped someone else do it. So, that really confuses things. SP did not murder MB.

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Respectfully , I am out on this, as we are told multiple times in sworn legal documents only one within 30 minutes. Now if another it was not within time MB was there and murdered or prior. And only one on video released. The camera angles and various heights as well as zooming are causing illusions. Jmho.

Look at height of head in little window and next to let door. Person is not tall. That camera is higher up pointing down. Then look at video from next splice of Suspect walking to Dutch door South hallway. That is camera is mounted lower that the one over the doors that captured previous video. Cannonball posted a photo showing these cameras from actual interior.

 

[Razz]

Both. It would answer a bunch of questions. I don't mean to be coy...I really don't know. But perhaps MPD now suspects 2 people. (But not in
the beginning).

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[Razz]

I am out on this, as we are told multiple times in sworn legal documents only one within 30 minutes. Now if another it was not within time MB was there and murdered or prior. And only one on video released. The camera angles and various heights as well as zooming are causing illusions. Jmho.

Look at height of head in little window and next to let door. Person is not tall. That camera is higher up pointing down. Then look at video from next splice of Suspect walking to Dutch door South hallway. That is camera is mounted lower that the one over the doors that captured previous video. Cannonball posted a photo showing these cameras from actual interior.

Arkansasmimi: I am saying there was only ONE person in SWAT gear and this one person was the only one wandering the halls. The person who committed the murder was never seen on camera because SP let him/ her into the front foyer where there were no cameras. SP may never have witnessed the murder as they went back to the car while the other person murdered MB.

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[Razz]

Do you have suspects in mind that fit this theory? Not asking you to name them of course. More so meaning is this driven by a suspicion of who did it or just another idea of what could have happened?


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Sorry. I forgot to hit reply. My answer is a few posts up.

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[arkansasmimi]

There was only 1 person dressed in SWAT gear. Let's say it's the younger person. They didn't do the murder but helped someone else do it. So, that really confuses things. SP did not murder MB.

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Ok lied I got another thought. It would be pretty stupid (murder is but) would jmho be really stupid for someone who "didn't do murder" yet dressed head to toe in cover. Yet your saying your theory someone not in SWAT did actual murder? Wouldn't the Medical Examiner have gotten some kind DNA? Sorry don't see it. MB could have scratched or multiple ways got DNA. Jmho. And since no fire arms listed in Dec 2016 SW as items looking for, yet only same language as tools and clothing from video.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Arkansasmimi: I am saying there was only ONE person in SWAT gear and this one person was the only one wandering the halls. The person who committed the murder was never seen on camera because SP let him/ her into the front foyer where there were no cameras. SP may never have witnessed the murder as they went back to the car while the other person murdered MB.

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Respectfully we don't know factually there was not a camera there. Remember we were going by older photos, but in July 13 2016 VBS photo there is a surveillance camera. Very well could have been there then. WE just don't have that information. But photo I speaking of is on church FB. Camera near vent in Cub Corner https://m.facebook.com/creeksideDTO...345102342/10153593170677343/?type=3&source=54

Eta which I am inclined to think camera was there as MPD knew location of Suspect that MB was walking in location of as she walked down main hallway. We are told assault not captured on video. Suspect or MB not seen on video again. Very possible/probable jmho that Suspect did not just casually stroll out, but moved quickly and possibly movement tripped camera on then off. No one else in building seen, but could give MPD clue. Jmho only

 

[Razz]

Respectfully we don't know factually there was not a camera there. Remember we were going by older photos, but in July 2016 VBS photos there is a camera. Very well could have been there then. WE just don't have that information. But photo I speaking of is on church FB. Camera near vent in Cub Corner

I am only speculating. And since I think the murder took place in the center foyer and there is no video of the murder, I am speculating by all I have seen and heard, that the main foyer camera was not working. Just speculating. But I believe that's how SP escaped w/out being seen and why a possibly bigger person may have switched with SP there and murdered MB. And perhaps the only reason for the SWAT outfit was to totally disguise
who this person was. And maybe the bigger person was wearing a hat and gloves. So no DNA. Just speculating!

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