Found Deceased UK - Caroline Everest, 18, Sheffield, 22 Nov 2015

[MamaJoJo]

Do you think she could have been raped and then taken her own life because of the rape? Though not likely that she'd have medication to do that with her and any other method would have shown up on the PM. Would hypothermia show up on a first PM?

I don't think she would have taken her own life is she was raped. More likely, to me, IF she wasn't murdered, and IF she was raped, and IF she was drunk....she somehow stumbled into the stream (either to pee or throw up or hide) and succumbed to the elements.

There have been SO MANY cases where it seems inexplicable that someone would fall into the river/stream by accident but, in fact, that is exactly what happened.

This case, like all of the others really, is so sad. She had her entire life ahead of her. It's heartbreaking. RIP Caroline.

 

[Edinlass]

God I am sickened by this. I was hoping for a tragic accident wrong again. Poor girl.

 

[ColourPurple]

I don't think she would have taken her own life is she was raped. More likely, to me, IF she wasn't murdered, and IF she was raped, and IF she was drunk....she somehow stumbled (either to pee or throw up or hide) into the stream and succumbed to the elements.

There have been SO MANY cases where it seems inexplicable that someone would fall into the river/stream by accident but, in fact, that is exactly what happened.

This case, like all of the others really, is so sad. She had her entire life ahead of her. It's heartbreaking. RIP Caroline.

I agree, it seems more likely to me she was murdered or died from falling or the cold but the PM being inconclusive threw me a little and possibly brought drugs into the equation as we await toxicolgy reports . Maybe they'll be inconclusive too though.

 

[MamaJoJo]

We have discussed hypothermia in so many cases but, for the life of me, I can't remember if it can be determined conclusively upon autopsy? I'm thinking so but will defer to other posters' opinions.

ETA: Not very clear cut...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/976901

http://www.researchgate.net/publication/260371558_Postmortem_diagnosis_of_hypothermia

http://www.archivesofpathology.org/doi/pdf/10.1043/1543-2165(2006)130[1297:HAHMIO]2.0.CO;2

 

[Magneto]

I'm struggling on the assumption that she may have taken her own life! after the rape even if she was in a fragile mind, even if she had her drink spiked or drugged (that's if it was a date rape drug!) chances are she Might have not remember much of the suppose rape if thats what happened!! she must of have had her phone on her why did she not call for help or call the police? Or bang on someone's door or go in the petrol station for help - plus no far from where she was found was a student accommodation she could have gone there and asked for help - unless the phone was taken of her that is and she was not in a good state to do anything or never had the chance to do anything?

 

[CoverMeCagney]

God I am sickened by this. I was hoping for a tragic accident wrong again. Poor girl.

It still could have been an accident, Edinlass. But unfortunately it seems there's more to it... It's very strange that nothing has been picked up in the autopsy.

I still don't see her accidentally falling over that bridge wall though. Nah!

 

[ColourPurple]

Looking on Street View the path I could see that runs directly above Napier Street and at the same angle that leads onto Summerfield Street is actually a footpath that runs along side the brook where Caroline was found. You access it behind Weatherspoons/The Sheaf Island , follow the path along the brook and it comes out on Summerfield street. If Caroline was walking right to left along Napier street to Summerfield street then somebody could definitely get to the same place she was heading to, by going along this footpath. They would come out at the bridge over the book where her body was found.

 

[ColourPurple]

I'm struggling on the assumption that she may have taken her own life! after the rape even if she was in a fragile mind, even if she had her drink spiked or drugged (that's if it was a date rape drug!) chances are she Might have not remember much of the suppose rape if thats what happened!! she must of have had her phone on her why did she not call for help or call the police? Or bang on someone's door or go in the petrol station for help - plus no far from where she was found was a student accommodation she could have gone there and asked for help - unless the phone was taken of her that is and she was not in a good state to do anything or never had the chance to do anything?

I wouldn't call it an assumption... I think it's unlikely she took her own life but was putting it forward for discussion after it was mentioned that an inconclusive PM can sometimes mean drugs were involved that they would then show up in toxicology tests.

ETA it was following on from a conversation where I was wondering whether the rape had been caught on CCTV before they parted on Napier street, which then would have meant something else happened "separate" from the rape for Caroline to be found dead on summerfield Street afterwards.

I love Websleuths forum but I think sometimes the fact that it doesn't automatically multiquote means things can get taken out of context, as it's not easy to see the full conversation that led up to a specific comment.

 

[Alyce]

I wounder who this guy is who has been arrested on suspicious rape, an ex boyfriend or someone she just meet in the club - she had just be thrown out of a club to go drinking in another pub that's if she was drunk not drugged?

My guess is that this man was someone she met in the Club.
From what has been said on here, the Devonshire Pub closes at 1am.
So Caroline comes out of the Club and one minute later she is with this man at the doorway of the Pub. So very likely that they agreed to meet up, or he just followed her out of the Club and caught up with her at the doorway to the pub.

 

[Alyce]

It still could have been an accident, Edinlass. But unfortunately it seems there's more to it... It's very strange that nothing has been picked up in the autopsy.

I still don't see her accidentally falling over that bridge wall though. Nah!

No me neither re the wall.

 

[ColourPurple]

No me neither re the wall.

The walls on the bridge part (where Summerfield Street road goes over the brook) do look pretty low on streetview but not sure if that's exactly where her body was found as that looks like a place people would walk by and see her.


https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3...4!1syLU7LJ9QzVJVf_zM2_pvvQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (To the left of the brook you can see the pedestrian walk way)

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3...4!1syLU7LJ9QzVJVf_zM2_pvvQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

 

[Cherwell]

I assume it was probably a room with "staff only" on the door or something, hence the confusion. Could just be a small office or something rather than an official staff room.

Two staff members have said there is no room like that though. Maybe there's a storage cupboard or something with Staff Only on though. Wonder where they go for their breaks if there's no staff room.

There have to be some places that are off-limits to the public. Somewhere to store all the bottles and bar supplies, for a start. And there's bound to be an office of some sort. I think people who are denying the existence of a "staff room" probably have a fixed idea of what that might mean.

Anyway we don't have any definite corroboration of this, do we. It's just hearsay, and could even be mistaken identity.

 

[Magneto]

The walls on the bridge part (where Summerfield Street road goes over the brook) do look pretty low on streetview but not sure if that's exactly where her body was found as that looks like a place people would walk by and see her.


https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3...4!1syLU7LJ9QzVJVf_zM2_pvvQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (To the left of the brook you can see the pedestrian walk way)

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3...4!1syLU7LJ9QzVJVf_zM2_pvvQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

I was was thinking that yesterday if there is a path near where the body was found no one notice a body down their and she was at least their for 48 hours before being discovered

 

[ColourPurple]

I was was thinking that yesterday if there is a path near where the body was found no one notice a body down their and she was at least their for 48 hours before being discovered

Yes I think where the body was found is more likely to be the side across the road from the footpath,

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3...4!1s7dECyGtK-Jh40x9l-8CLrw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (left hand side of pic)
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3720969,-1.4835674,3a,89.9y,180h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1syLU7LJ9QzVJVf_zM2_pvvQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3...4!1s7dECyGtK-Jh40x9l-8CLrw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656


though whoever did it could have used the footpath on the opposite side of the road to reach Summerfield Street.

 

[jessie]

The walls on the bridge part (where Summerfield Street road goes over the brook) do look pretty low on streetview but not sure if that's exactly where her body was found as that looks like a place people would walk by and see her.

Snipped with apologies. Just wanted to add this photo of the wall which seems to give a good idea of height the side with the graffiti.

 

[ColourPurple]

Snipped with apologies. Just wanted to add this photo of the wall which seems to give a good idea of height the side with the graffiti.

Ah yes so it is the left side of this pic, and the footpath is opposite and ends at the road.

So where her body is found is the left side with the higher wall and across the road is the side with the lower wall and footpath, so unless she fell over the lower wall and the water moved her along to where the higher wall is , it seems unlikely she'd fall over the wall.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3...4!1s7dECyGtK-Jh40x9l-8CLrw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Ah yes so it is the left side of this pic, and the footpath is opposite and ends at the road.

So where her body is found is the left side with the higher wall and across the road is the side with the lower wall and footpath, so unless she fell over the lower wall and the water moved her along to where the higher wall is , it seems unlikely she'd fall over the wall.

Especially unlikely given the water runs the other way (west to east, or high wall side to low wall side)

 

[annablume]

There have to be some places that are off-limits to the public. Somewhere to store all the bottles and bar supplies, for a start. And there's bound to be an office of some sort. I think people who are denying the existence of a "staff room" probably have a fixed idea of what that might mean.

Anyway we don't have any definite corroboration of this, do we. It's just hearsay, and could even be mistaken identity.

Exactly, in all the pubs, bars and restaurants I have worked in not one had a staff room. All of them however had atleast 4 doors it the publics view that said staff only that had cellars, cleaning stuff, electrical equipment, flats and offices.

You are very so right, it might not even have been her. I hope they can piece more of the story together.

 

[ColourPurple]

Especially unlikely given the water runs the other way (west to east, or high wall side to low wall side)

Good point! So it's looking more like somebody put her body over the wall rather than her falling over it. Why she was even in that area and heading from Napier to Summerfield Street remains a mystery.

 

[ColourPurple]

If you go past the "bridge" and turn left , round the corner from the higher walled side it looks like you can access the brook from a gap before you get to the first building too. In a less open place than where the wall is

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3...4!1sNWybhj1MmNPBAwaKtw6hjg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3...4!1sNWybhj1MmNPBAwaKtw6hjg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

This shows a bit more

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3...4!1smB-NeGFPx8QgjSfzoTb0Ng!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Possibly also another way to access the brook this side

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3...4!1setSq055Fbig2DMnOGJc8rA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656



Sorry only know how to post links rather than pics but if somebody wants to add them as pics please do.