UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #8

[keep-it-real]

So many people on here say they don't have FB. Don't know why they feel the need to declare this?

I only mention it because some people speak about things being on facebook but dont upload it here so I cant see it..

 

[keep-it-real]

Not being funny but I doubt massively the Claudia Lawrence cold case team is liaising with a member of the public unless you’re actually a copper ... which I doubt

No disrespect but how do you think the Cold Case Team/Police investigate and solve crime if they dont liase with the public

 

[MajorLang]

Categorically not true, it's supposed to be interpreted in many ways and doesn't just apply to Claudia's disappearance but draws from themes in the case and her life, mechanisms of the legal system, corruption, power and authority, love and loss, forgiveness, revenge, sarcasm, irony, sincerity, wordplay, coercion, religious principles, brains/braun, intention, autonomy, and an imperfect world/people....

And the importance of 'good journalism' and what stops that from being achieved, structural and societal

Very true
@moonsafari Journalists are often forced to write what readers enjoy reading

 

[Deadbeat]

In that second photo (on the right) it looks to me like blue person has a person slumped over their shoulder. I'm no expert but that is what it appeared like to me. Carrying someone floppy over their shoulder. Perhaps they are just chunky or wearing a chunky coat and it appears that way to me? Is this from before Claudia went missing?

I’m not sure exactly which CCTV that still is taken from but I assumed it was from the bus CCTV. Wasn’t that the night she disappeared?

 

[MajorLang]

I’m not sure exactly which CCTV that still is taken from but I assumed it was from the bus CCTV. Wasn’t that the night she disappeared?

This cctv was from the Bus footage that passed through Heworth Road at 9:01.
There was a blue colour to the person that could have come from a light (emergency vehicle) either not seen in the footage or close by.
What is interesting is that the Travel agency, Quartz travel opposite Claudias home and owned business Paul Smith has experiences several threats and vandelism:
https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/4510348.vandals-attack-vehicles-in-quartz-travels-car-park-in-heworth
The agency started in 2004 and recievers were appointed in September 2017. Recievers discovered some serious breaches in contracts.
Did he upset the wrong Heworth community.
As can be seen in the press article, he did have cctv cameras. Probably at the rear of his travel shop covering the car park but did he have one covering the front of the building and did he share that footage with police that resulted in intimidation?
The press article talks of earlier bandelism but the article was in Mid July

Did Claudia use this agency to book her holidays-we won't know but police will.

 

[Popejohn3]

I’m not sure exactly which CCTV that still is taken from but I assumed it was from the bus CCTV. Wasn’t that the night she disappeared?

There seems to be a lot going on that Wednesday night ... was car park full ? Was there anything special going on that night at the NH ?

 

[Andyboy]

Fair bet she used it as its on her doorstep, and as she wasn't Internet savvy by all accounts, would probably be quite convenient I should think

 

[Andyboy]

Sorry, was meant to be reply to major, regarding travel agent

 

[Popejohn3]

This cctv was from the Bus footage that passed through Heworth Road at 9:01.
There was a blue colour to the person that could have come from a light (emergency vehicle) either not seen in the footage or close by.
What is interesting is that the Travel agency, Quartz travel opposite Claudias home and owned business Paul Smith has experiences several threats and vandelism:
https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/4510348.vandals-attack-vehicles-in-quartz-travels-car-park-in-heworth
The agency started in 2004 and recievers were appointed in September 2017. Recievers discovered some serious breaches in contracts.
Did he upset the wrong Heworth community.
As can be seen in the press article, he did have cctv cameras. Probably at the rear of his travel shop covering the car park but did he have one covering the front of the building and did he share that footage with police that resulted in intimidation?
The press article talks of earlier bandelism but the article was in Mid July

Did Claudia use this agency to book her holidays-we won't know but police will.

The vandalism started in February before Claudia disappeared .It is possible his cctv would be available to the police in Claudia’s investigation and obviously re trouble he was having I e vandalism

 

[Yozzer]

There seems to be a lot going on that Wednesday night ... was car park full ? Was there anything special going on that night at the NH ?

Europa League football matches played that night and Thurs night - Nag's Head had a big screen sports bar.

 

[Popejohn3]

Europa League football matches played that night and Thurs night - Nag's Head had a big screen sports bar.

That can explain people innocently parking outside her house and not necessarily to visit her thanks @Yozzer ...always there to help ... I was going to put an x but that would be taking liberty ? Lol

 

[Popejohn3]

Emotions high at show for Claudia Lawrence
Couple of picture of pub back then
Also people do not mention the Dunwells much these days

 

[MajorLang]

Europa League football matches played that night and Thurs night - Nag's Head had a big screen sports bar.

Robinson a POI in the case was often in the Sports Bar area as he didn't normally drink with other POIs even though related to two by marriage. Was the black SUV his as Ruanes had vans and cars.

 

[MajorLang]

That can explain people innocently parking outside her house and not necessarily to visit her thanks @Yozzer ...always there to help ... I was going to put an x but that would be taking liberty ? Lol

It's ok for two females to put xx

 

[Deadbeat]

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This cctv was from the Bus footage that passed through Heworth Road at 9:01.
There was a blue colour to the person that could have come from a light (emergency vehicle) either not seen in the footage or close by.
What is interesting is that the Travel agency, Quartz travel opposite Claudias home and owned business Paul Smith has experiences several threats and vandelism:
https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/4510348.vandals-attack-vehicles-in-quartz-travels-car-park-in-heworth
The agency started in 2004 and recievers were appointed in September 2017. Recievers discovered some serious breaches in contracts.
Did he upset the wrong Heworth community.
As can be seen in the press article, he did have cctv cameras. Probably at the rear of his travel shop covering the car park but did he have one covering the front of the building and did he share that footage with police that resulted in intimidation?
The press article talks of earlier bandelism but the article was in Mid July

Did Claudia use this agency to book her holidays-we won't know but police will.

Is that blue image definitely a person? I saw it again last night on the actual footage played on Missing or Murdered. It stands out even on that as it’s bright blue but the bus is in motion and it’s hard to tell of the blue THING is moving.
If Quartz travel had CCTV at the front of the shop in 2009 I think that footage would be the missing piece to the puzzle. I’m almost convinced the braking car plays a part in this and the front of that shop is opposite Claudia’s house I believe, so that would’ve captured exactly what happened. The police almost certainly would’ve asked a business in that proximity for CCTV though I think.

Just a quick one, does the alleyway next to the Nags as seen in the attached pictures bare right and go directly behind Claudia’s house?? I think I’ve heard people say it does but is overgrown now and not really accessible but I think 11 years ago it was?

 

[Yozzer]

Robinson a POI in the case was often in the Sports Bar area as he didn't normally drink with other POIs even though related to two by marriage. Was the black SUV his as Ruanes had vans and cars.

Good excuse for a rogues gathering

 

[Yozzer]

Emotions high at show for Claudia Lawrence
Couple of picture of pub back then
Also people do not mention the Dunwells much these days

That's a useful picture of the pub, especially the background aspect.

 

[Pinkizzy]

What did @moonsafari say about the Dunwells? Did she suggest an affair between Claudia and one of them?

 

[Yozzer]

That can explain people innocently parking outside her house and not necessarily to visit her

It would also be a good alibi/cover for a wife/spouse to use and a perfect opportunity for an 'illicit' meeting with CL.

 

[MajorLang]

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Is that blue image definitely a person? I saw it again last night on the actual footage played on Missing or Murdered. It stands out even on that as it’s bright blue but the bus is in motion and it’s hard to tell of the blue THING is moving.
If Quartz travel had CCTV at the front of the shop in 2009 I think that footage would be the missing piece to the puzzle. I’m almost convinced the braking car plays a part in this and the front of that shop is opposite Claudia’s house I believe, so that would’ve captured exactly what happened. The police almost certainly would’ve asked a business in that proximity for CCTV though I think.

Just a quick one, does the alleyway next to the Nags as seen in the attached pictures bare right and go directly behind Claudia’s house?? I think I’ve heard people say it does but is overgrown now and not really accessible but I think 11 years ago it was?

The alleyway from Heworth Road at side of Pub goes into rear car park of Nags.
However in 2009 at the rear of the car park is a further alleyway that ran from Nags Car Park into Heworth Place and behind Claudias property.
Whilst it was slightly overgrown in parts it was accessible.
Today the end by Nags car park is boarded up and the alleyway from HP has had flagstoned laid and has been cleaned up.
The alleyway separates the rear of Heworth Road houses with the rear of Heworth Place houses.
Some of the HP houses backed directly into the alley and had open to alley access.
Claudias house had a gate into her back garden as did others in Heworth Road.
Some of this can be seen if you use Google maps and select the Year change facility when available.