UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #13

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On recent above posts....

-Surely they have experts in indentifying people on CCTV, surely they'd have at least suggested that could be Corrie if they were unsure or an an inkling?


-I assume his Mother has hope that Corrie is still alive as she wants to keep people interested. People get more involved in helping find him if there is still hope he's alive. She kinds of has to has as much belief he is alive for her own sanity too.

But then again she may come out and say something that is good reasoning for Corrie being alive - but I doubt it.


-If the Police are interested to know if anyone was around Tesco and Canon Street - then I guess that means they think it is possible to get out of that Horse-shoe area without being seen, possibly on foot?..... but surely if he's gone to Tesco then he's gone in a car.

If he's walked home - he wouldn't be able to see a thing. May have walked into one of those ditches that run along one or two of the roads around there. But you would think a grown man in the army would be able to get himself out of there and not die in a ditch.


To those saying the Cannon Street route is the best route home - how? - I don't see it. The closest main road to Honnington is a duel Carriageway - you can't walk down there. Though maybe he did and got ran over.....

Also that dual carriageway is the only clear road back to Honnington there.....the rest is countryside, and country lanes.

Best route back I see is - continue down the horseshoe towards Mustow Street and onto Eastgate Street....

But I thinking walking home is out of the question anyway.
the bit you write about the mothers hope that her son is sitll alive - you think that people will have more interest if they feel he is still alive. - i have a problem here - if you are looking for an alive person then you looks in streets and trains and buses and places people can go - i have a problem - if he is dead - murdered - or had an accident - then the places to look will be quite different? it is good that the mother has life and work experience in dealing with media - knowing the best methods of getting public and media support is having a great effect and hopefully all this hard work is going to pay off. when i signed out of here last night - i watched the story of the 80 bodies in the manchester canals - 28 unexplained - did you know we have 3 to 5 serial killers in the uk at any time?
 
If Corrie had been able to walk out of the HS area on foot without being seen on CCTV and wanted to walk back to base, could he have made it out of BSE without being captured on camera?
 
Can a phone ping at masts if encased in metal? Establishing if it's possible to do so from within the bin lorry would possibly discount the theory it was in the bin. This would then leave only two options:

Corrie was in a veichle around the same time as the bin lorry travelling with his phone.

Corrie was deliberately parted from his phone and someone else traveled to BM with it.

I've just come out of the 'back room offices' of three major mobile phone providers; A, B & EE. All were very helpful, not linked in any way and totally separate in their respective businesses. The information that has been gleaned by myself is an interpretation and based in fact. Please be understanding of that when commenting.

Nokia Lumia 435
This phone was launched in January 2015 and was intended as a single sim use only phone. At the same time a dual sim phone was made available through the European markets but NOT in the UK. We do not know if this Nokia Lumia 435 was a single sim or a dual sim phone. I previously posted an image suggesting a dual sim phone for reference purposes only. The launch date of January 2015 is an important date as the contract came with a 24 month deal. If the phone was bought new, approximately six months BEFORE the end of the contract (July 2016) a new phone upgrade would have been offered. Again, presuming it had been given to him by his mother after her upgrade offer, it would suggest a UK model as a dual sim phone wouldn't necessarily be required in the UK. Additional interesting point to make is that a usual upgrade from a Nokia Lumia 435 is either a Nokia Lumia 550 or a Samsung Galaxy J5. What's N's new phone?

EE Coverage
According to the various phone provider technicians, EE masts overlap with a great deal of completeness. 99% of the country is covered. That is not to say that the signal strength is excellent....just that the country is covered.
When a phone such as Corrie's moves away from a mast, it's signal strength lowers. A bit like a lizards tongue stretching and stretching until it in ally lets go. At that immediate point, the phone scans for another mast and the lizards tongue shoots out again at that mast. The darting is momentary. The mast speak/receive 'door' is never closed unless the phone is switched off, immersed in water, battery removed, crushed, damaged etc. The bar strength depends on the masts line of sight with the phone, air density, trees, building, signal strength etc. On the whole, constant speak/receive status...that is until the SIM card is removed.
If a SIM card is removed, the phone is effectively an electronic toy. The SIM card communicates to the masts VIA the mobile phone. No SIM card, no speak/receive. EE masts are also used by Orange and T Mobile. To confuse things even more, Virgin buy airtime from EE.
So, Corrie's phone had a SIM card in when it travelled from BSE to BM otherwise they wouldn't have been able to tell it had moved.

Phone access.
NO ONE is allowed access to a phone. Not even the police. The only way authorities are to access phone data is through the IMEI number which every phone has. This is a unique phone identifying number for a specific phone. Once that number is known, an application can be made through the Data Protection Act via the police to access phone contacts. Apps, music, photos, videos, Internet usage can be accessed through his home computer if backed up. Corrie's phone used a Microsoft based system so I see no reason why this wasn't the case for the family. Indeed, this would explain why reasonably quick access was gain to his phone details if it belonged to N prior to Corrie owning it. N would presumably have the IMEI number, computer back up, and access to his SM accounts. Networks will NOT provide relevant information unless via the police in conjunction with the Data Protection Act.

Phone signal strength
With regards to the Faraday Cage suggestion, this all depends on the proximate Y of the phone and mast. From what I can gather from technical experts, there is no reason why a phone cannot send or receive information of voice signals unless by the side of a large electrical unit such as a generator or encased in lead or thick concrete.

The technicians went into great detail and every aspect of my queries were answered in fullest satisfaction.

JMO

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We may as well stretch this piece of elastic and see how far it can go though.

When I posted that a club staff member ( or a customer) could be parked at the Horseshoe until club closing I couldn't make it fit as a rendezvous point with Corrie. ( CCTV of them getting back to their car at HS)
But as per Pilgrim's posts re Looms Lane and Midsommers before that ( on Greenwoods camera) what if:

- nothing occurred at HShoe other than say, Corrie having a wee and leaving soon after via McD's ( midsommers)
- as per Pilgrim, Corrie walks off as per that route Looms Lane.
- no staff /customer is parked at HS, they are parked elsewhere
- the club staff member ( or a customer) however drives past him on the same route and there sees Corrie and gives him a lift............so nothing untoward happens at HS ( you asked where does this take place) ...it occurs later.

here's purple pixii's original map, (I appreciate the timeline is slightly out now that midsommer has updated it with evolving info)
have a see what u think though re locations

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1dMWOQJNDrS-0zdP_KwnvQX5ymOY&ll=52.24574789125293%2C0.7131994166870754&z=18

ETA It doesn't even have to be Flex, just in case that's a bit controversial. :)
Would go with the theory of leaving on foot via Looms and myself and Amonet suggested this very thing several threads ago as a possibility. This theory appears to have no evidence of anything untoward in Flex so I cannot see the motive ATM. Also where is C and the phone and belongings? This elastic needs some support.
 
Morning all, it's been a while but I see you've kept busy, I can't possibly catch up with it all so forgive me if I repeat things.

I just watched This Morning and, as others have said, not much new except I didn't know he was out with 5 lads from base. Did they travel in one car or two?
these 5 lads from base do not feel guilty about anything they did that weekend. according to their camp commander. first time ive ever heard military people have such a blase attitude to something terrible happened to a mate - normally they do feel guilt even when they did everything they could to help a mate. oh well i thikn that the truth will actually come out in the end. just as an afterthought - if anyone wanting to supoprt anyo group - try sulsar who are doing the searching free of charge and do need funding. its not coming from the money raised to help the family and pay the PI and fancy team.
 
Flex- Corrie hitting on barmaid (may be already involved). Thrown out due to bouncer jealousy.

Bouncer picks Corrie up.

Phone could be in another bin (where else did the bin wagon go?) disposed of before THE LAST POSSIBLE BSE DEPARTURE of 430Am.

Corrie roughed up and dropped off, killed, warned to stay away from Bury (gun to head).


Would go with the theory of leaving on foot via Looms and myself and Amonet suggested this very thing several threads ago as a possibility. This theory appears to have no evidence of anything untoward in Flex so I cannot see the motive ATM. Also where is C and the phone and belongings? This elastic needs some support.
 
I'm confused. Someone has posted that an intelligence company has now been hired by the family and people are still coming up with random theories.....no comments on this MASSIVE news?

As far as I can see this company will surely be looking at satellite imagery seeing as that is what they do and be examining it.

I have no idea about what the capabilities of modern satellites are. But surely if you hire a company like this then they have already surely told the family that they have satellite footage from that September day?

Not sure they will be able to see a male walking in a dark alley way though?

Maybe be able to monitor vehicle movements and see where they go?
 
Aah, crosed posts, if what you say is true I wonder why Nicola said in the Q & A that they needed to look into the Faraday cage effect? Do you know why that might be?

Probably because a well intentioned individual who has a GCSE knowledge of physics and no knowledge of mobile phones has mentioned it. It's then been seized upon by an emotional N, who is quite rightly grasping for answers but knows even less on the combined subjects.
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Someone is DEFINATELY telling untruths in the system or trying to be discreet with information, economical with the truth, misinformed....call it what you will. I make no wonder we're 13+ Threads in and no further forward!
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- it seems obvious that there are lies being told - who by tho? i keep thinking this is more connected to someone who knew corrie. i know he was not gay - that seems perfectly obvious by the amount of girls and young women he seems to date. however he is also very <modsnip> flamboyant. it seems blatantly obvious that he could have been targetted by oaf like bullying men who do not like his high profile existance on this earth. we all see things differently but imo everything points to this being closer to home than anyone is currently saying
 
Nicola said Corrie wasn't planning on going out, hence the confusion on people thinking he was in the other car.

I am pretty sure the Look East item, where they went round the bars, said he had caught up with his friends.
- if corrie was not planning going out - why then would anyone be looking for him to be in one of the cars? this is strange is it not? either he was going out and his mates didnt bother to check on him as he checked his dog - or he was not going out and so maybe none of his friends were looking for him at all? which ????
 
Is this a "Flowers By Ivy" type front possibly?

I had to google that BIB but still no idea what you mean.
Was joking that Midsummers will be getting a call saying - "I hear u have a particular set of Skills Ms/Mr MDay..."
 
Nicola said Corrie wasn't planning on going out, hence the confusion on people thinking he was in the other car.

I am pretty sure the Look East item, where they went round the bars, said he had caught up with his friends.
i looked extensively for any evidence that he did meet up with his friends. i cat find any? his friends apparently did not see him in FLEX ? so we know he went in there alone and was quickly thrown out - the bouncers said he was mingling making new friends - wonder if he went in found his mates bought a round and then went to mingle or if he never saw them at all. the evening seems to have been spent on his onw - unless anyone can give me a link to where he did in fact meet up with mates? i feel angry with these guys - i have no idea who any of them are - but they did not make sure one of their own was okay that night - oh corrie does his own thing - well someone should have thought about his wellbeing before work on monday morning? they are not his keeper - they are all adults - but i hope my mates would care a bit more if this was me missing
 
If Corrie had been able to walk out of the HS area on foot without being seen on CCTV and wanted to walk back to base, could he have made it out of BSE without being captured on camera?
A slight possibility but could he have done it without being seen, doubtful very very doubtful in my opinion.
 
I had to google that BIB but still no idea what you mean.
Was joking that Midsummers will be getting a call saying - "I hear u have a particular set of Skills Ms/Mr MDay..."

eta - only just reading the content tho - excellent stuff.
 
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The technicians went into great detail and every aspect of my queries were answered in fullest satisfaction.

JMO

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I don't supposed you asked then whether a phone disconnecting from the network tells the network why? I.E I am being switched off or I am turning off due to low power. (sudden disconnection without a message = battery removed or destruction) It wont help us but we would then know if the Police know if you know what I mean.
 
Judging by the last minute decision to go out, having a dog that wasn't allowed in the block, no money, skint, spending hours on the phone to organise things with his brother, parking in a disabled bay, drinking in the car, thrown out of the nightclub, possibly not securing his lift back because of drinking heavily, social hand grenade, laying on the floor with white trousers on, risk taker....I would suggest that the whole night was built on being reckless and 'winging' it. I'm even going to hazard a guess that Corrie's character was a 'winging' it type of character also. It wouldn't surprise me now if he did try to walk it home in an 'adapt and overcome' type of mentality. I've done exactly the same and the same distance. Clear skies, night navex, crack on regardless. Infantry mode kicks in.
JMO.


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ive lived in a small military town - and seen first hand the rivalries that go on between locals and these guys - there can be an unkind locals approach - smart young men - fit - well spoken - plenty mone - adventurous life - it is possible that corrie somehow was walking home from somewhere - he is distinctive in his uniform of pink and white - it is possible that some local hoods in a car might have thought it funny to pick up a soldier and have " fun" with him. with the recent events at marham then a criminal mind might just believe that these unknown attackers would be blamed - local guys driving around in car are more likely to know of "good" hiding places. a lot of east anglia / suffolk seems to be unused farmland which has relics of old raf bases scattered about - there are also the nature reserves and beauty spots - all needing intense specialist searching. its a big job and hopefully police are doing much more than we know to see if corrie has been spotted anywhere on any of the routes out of town or even 5 miles out of town - anywhere at all on the way home.
 
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