CoverMeCagney
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Get t'kettle on, folks. It's time!
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What doesn't sit right with me, is why did this friend not recognise David from all the media appeals, theres not a single person I know who didnt know of this, maybe its because of the industry I work in but even so, the police appeals went worldwide - I can not believe that his friend did not see the appeals and didnt think to question why David had suddenly disappeared without a word to anyone - Now I am not saying his friend had anything to do with this, but I think he must have a lot of answersThank you Jeremy, I hope you won't mind if I pose some questions.
I watched the documentary last night night and I agree with Spyder84 that it was nice to see David finally laid to rest, what a long journey he has had, RIP.
I know that the full story will sadly never be known, however I do feel that some of the questions could be answered by the friend of 40 years?
If he initially went to Lahore with David he surely knows why?
How did David's letters to Jeremy arrive via California, he must have a contact there?
Possibly the friend would know why David did not want anyone to know where he was?
This is really puzzling, having picked David up from the airport and taken him to the hotel, why oh why did he not report him missing? This to me is inconceivable, I would have thought that he would have been very worried?
Jeremy, I hope you can get some answers to what you are unhappy about.
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Sorry for such a long post - Firstly, Jeremy, thank you for giving us your blessing to continue this conversation. I have wanted to be very respectful here but after last nights documentary, there are so many questions. Please feel free to let me know if any of what I am about to say is inappropriate or you dont agree.
Okay, so I had always thought it was suicide, thats very much what everything has pointed to.
However, some aspects did not sit right with me, and now we know a lot more then we did before I want to come back to those aspects.
I found it odd that David asked for directions to the Top of The Mountain - I had always thought that was indicative of D meeting someone, almost as if someone had said, meet up on the mountain - The way in which D was milling around at the train station also felt like he was waiting for a certain time before setting off to the moors, but I had put that down to D potentially wanting to commit suicide after the sun had set and before it rose again - I have always thought there was something slightly religious about that - And of course the return train ticket was something that threw the suicide theory into doubt.
Now we know there was something underhand going on in Pakistan with Davids apartment being allegedly sold to someone else so many months after his death is probably ringing the biggest alarm bells.
The CCTV footage that was shown was not of someone who had intentions to end his life, this was a confident man, but I found it interesting that he seemed to be looking around an awful lot, looking to see who he was sat next too, looking at people as they moved through the station - Everything in that CCTV has really made me think that David was going to meet someone, maybe someone from his time in Pakistan and although I would say he seemed very confident, the looking around and being very observant gives the impression there was an element of worry or mild anxiety
Leaving Pakistan so suddenly must have led to David needing to seek help to handle his affairs in Pakistan seeming as he wasnt able to do so himself - He doesnt strike me as someone who would buy an apartment and then just walk away from it - I think he would have been in contact with someone who he thought he could trust to tie up the loose ends he had left when he departed so suddenly.
The Open Verdict is 100% the right verdict at this stage - But I just hope that if there was something more to this then I hope evidence emerges that may help the police to justify a secondary investigation.
I know this is a very insensitive question, but did David leave a will? Is there something contained within that, that could provide a clue? Has Davids finances been scrutinized, did he receive money with no trace of where it came from? Did he give away /lose money under odd circumstances with no trace as to what happened to it?
And exactly how did he break his leg?
As much as I would like to believe David ended his own life, because that conclusion would bring to an end what has been a difficult and awful chapter for the family, this can not be the be all and end all, there is so much more under the surface and I think we havent even started scratching at that surface yet.
Excellent points, and welcome aboard. You've actually given me food for thought, is it possible D was going up to the moors to retrieve something? Maybe he was meeting someone who was going to help him.......? I cant get away from the possibility he may have been meeting someone, every journey a person takes has 1 of 2 purposes, either you go on a journey alone to complete a task or a leisure activity, or you go on a journey to meet someone and then complete a task. We can say hand on heart that D wasn't after hiking through the moors for leisure, he was dressed for the high street not the hills, he may have been wanting to complete a task, such as suicide, and we can not say either way on that given the facts, or he was going to meet someone.. I am also utterly baffled and I think there is a major clue out there somewhere that if discovered will be the missing piece of the puzzle.New to forum, first post. Fascinated like many others by this very sad case of David Lytton. I actually live very close to the Dovestones Reservoir. Watched the documentary last night with great interest after following this case from the beginning. I have several questions/thoughts/ideas to share.
1. It seems like the "friend" who picked up David from Heathrow ought to have a lot more to say. It was surprising to me that the documentary did not go into more detail about his role or knowledge of the events. If he moved to Pakistan/USA in 2006 with David, as it seemed to say, then surely he knows something of the motivations for his move. He must also surely have some insight into why David flew back to Heathrow in 2016. How did David contact him? What did they talk about? Why did the documentary overlook these questions? Do the police know a lot more here than they are letting on?
2. The business of the letters being sent to David's brother from California is also very strange. Why would David want to conceal his true whereabouts? I understand David's brother Jeremy is reading this forum, so perhaps I can respectfully ask him to comment. What address in California were these letters coming from? Did Jeremy reply to these letters to the California address? One must assume that the answer is yes, otherwise, why would David keep writing. Has this address been investigated? It seems *obvious* that someone in California must have been co-ordinating this letter drop. Can anyone clarify any aspect of this?
3. What happened to David's luggage after he checked out of the hotel? Did the hotel staff notice what he took with him? What transport did he take on leaving the hotel? Where did he go? And again, did his "friend" know anything about these movements?
4. I think I read that David travelled from Picadilly Station in Manchester to Greenfield by train. Can anyone confirm this? If so, it is really a fairly long walk from the Greenfield train station to the Clarence Hotel, in addition to the further walk up the mountain. There is also a bus which he could have taken from Manchester. Did he take the bus perhaps?
5. The idea of meeting someone on that mountain seems completely implausible to me. I cannot make any sense, like everyone else, of why he would want to go there. I also cannot understand how he could be found lying peacefully in a calm position after dying from strychnine poisoning. Did he replace the contents of the thyroid medicine bottle with the strychnine? It seems hard to see how someone else could have done this and for him to them take the contents in some kind of mistake, as he surely was familiar with what the thyroid medicine looked like.
6. What possible reason could there be for a Jewish man to move to Pakistan. It doesn't make sense, unless he was there to perform a specific task.
7. What about cctv footage from when he arrived at Heathrow. None was shown on the documentary, though they had footage from when he boarded from Pakistan. Surely every passenger arriving at Heathrow is on video footage? Why was this not shown or discussed on the documentary?
I'm utterly baffled by all of this. If anyone has any responses to any of the above, I would welcome them.
Great thread by the way. Excellent work everybody.