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One would fervently hope so but I doubt these types of people think that deeply, tbh. I mean, anyone who did wouldn't have done something like that to begin with.Wow … 48 years, well done Justice Goose.
Maybe they will think twice now.
Downloadable file at linkIs there a link anywhere to the actual sentencing remarks?
I'm quite conflicted on the subject of the death penalty. I have no fundamental objection to it, I think it's an entirely reasonable option if that is what a democratic society chooses to impose.Sadly we haven't got the death penalty here in the UK, as sure as anything he fits the bill. At least as good as can be sentence for him, hope he suffers in some way every single day of it.
Wow!Downloadable file at link
In the Crown Court at Liverpool
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-v-
Connor Chapman
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Thomas Waring
Sentencing remarks of Mr Justice Goose
R -v- Chapman and Waring - Courts and Tribunals Judiciary
In the Crown Court at Liverpool 7 July 2023 Between: R-v-Connor Chapmanand Thomas Waring Sentencing remarks of Mr Justice Goosewww.judiciary.uk
It's not. People have been given Whole Life Orders before - although that might be the longest for something other than a WLO. I certainly can't think of anything longer.According to Sky news the 48 year (minimum) sentence is the longest sentence for a criminal conviction here in the UK.
It's good to see a decent sentence being handed out.
Yes, entirely agreed. And, yes, I think that this guy is the perfect candidate for the noose and I would lose absolutely no sleep over it whatsoever! I cannot see any doubt as to his guilt, tbh, and when you think about it, a "suspended" sentence is entirely appropriate in his case!@Marantz4250b
I do totally understand what you have said, and fair enough I agree.
Just in the heat of the moment I feel the DP, if it was on the table, then he certainly would have deserved it as he was proven, without doubt that he did what he was accused of doing.
But in a sense the sentence he has been given, him knowing he will be in there, no freedom, for all that time, is in a way a good thing.
He will suffer in more ways than one through all those given years.
Wow!
I have to say that I entirely agree that that is an appropriate sentence but given the huge uplift from the starting point I reckon it's inevitable that we'll see an appeal.
The gun has not been found.I haven't followed this case too closely so I have a question. I read that the gun used and mentioned in evidence was of a "type" which was a Czech "Skorpion" (VZ63) submachinegun. From the tone of the reports it suggested that the police didn't recover the gun but he was apparently seen dropping it on the way to his co-defendant's house.
Did they actually recover the gun and was it actually capable of fully-automatic fire as I believe that evidence was given that he fired it semi-automatically?
His starting point is 30 years. The problem, as i see it, is that the tarrif arrived at is huge being an uplift of more than 50% of the starting point. Yes, there are a huge number of aggravating circumstances but I'm not sure that they will stack up, legally speaking, to support such a large uplift.He will appeal for sure, just as Cashman has done. However, his starting point is so high that reducing by a few years will not make a measurable difference.
Not that I think he will be successful anyway.
I fail to see how they could claim that unless they were in possession of the gun in question. Yes the VZ61 as a type was designed as a fully-automatic weapon, well select fire I think, but lots will have been converted to semi-auto only or will have been built as such.The gun has not been found.
The Prosecution claimed it was capable of fully auto fire and the expert gun witness ( for want of a better job description ! ) said that in full auto the gun would have emptied in a second or two.
From the vid released post trial …. and from the earlier sound recordings , which were available pre trial , it was clear he used it semi auto.
I fail to see how they could claim that unless they were in possession of the gun in question. Yes the VZ61 as a type was designed as a fully-automatic weapon, well select fire I think, but lots will have been converted to semi-auto only or will have been built as such.
I am amazed that they have not recovered the weapon, quite frankly! Is it correct to say that he was seen dropping it?
A big fear is where on earth is the gun!. Someone then must have come across it. In the wrong hands that is a huge worry.
As I've said, I haven't followed this case closely but this is absolutely shocking!A big fear is where on earth is the gun!. Someone then must have come across it. In the wrong hands that is a huge worry.