Hi everyone :seeya:
Been following this forum for quite a while and it's head and shoulders above, imo
Would have posted a week ago, but messed up my registration and only just sorted it out. Which is good, really, because during that time, I've been following your analyses and reasoning as before and have continued to be impressed
After all that, I only have a couple of minutes here at the moment, and not sure I've anything of value to add in any case, but maybe the reason LE are persuaded she made it home is because the carrier-bag (provided by the shop) for the pizza was in the flat (minus its contents, it seems). And very probably the carrier-bag for the cider was in the flat too (with the bottles removed, one of them half-consumed, etc.)
I've heard nothing from the media regarding JY's past boyfriends. Or about previous workmates (prior to her moving to Bristol). LE wouldn't reveal such information unless it were believed pertinent, so it's not surprising they've remained an unknown quantity. However, it may be that an ex-lover or even an ex-workmate with a crush on JY could be involved. It may also be that an ex-girlfriend of GR could be involved
Christmas would provide an ideal opportunity for people to head to Bristol. They'd have a few days off, so their absence wouldn't be remarked upon. And they could say they were off to visit friends, attend a party, etc. They might not mention they were even going to Bristol. So those are points to be considered, imo
As to the killer having a sexual motive, I'm not sure I agree. Although jealousy, blind hatred and rage could be construed as being 'sexually motivated', despite there being no overt signs that any form of sexual attack took place. So perhaps that's what the police are hinting at
The DNA recently found, it's alleged, on the body -- this could have been deposited in the form of a 'goodbye kiss' when the body was deposited by the roadside, do you think ?
The fact the body was not mutilated, was not left naked or exposed, was not marked (that we're aware of) inclines me to suspect it was someone who knew and cared about the victim, rather than a random stranger
The location of the body (unless there's some esoteric meaning to the stone adjacent to the body) implies a wish to place distance between the perpetrator and the victim, to my mind. It's not an imaginative location. Seems more like ' This will do '. If the killing had been a contract-hit, or a sex attack gone wrong, etc. then there are far more efficient means of disposal and the police would very probably not even have a body at this stage. For example, the Longwood Lane area alone is filled with pockets of trees, shrubbery, ditches, etc. Then there's the quarry itself. Putting the body in the river would put miles between the victim and the crime. etc. So the location in which the body was discovered indicates to me that the perpetrator just wanted to dump the body as quickly as possible and get away - and not much thought went into it. They could have been intended to drop the body in the quarry, of course, but were unfamiliar with the problems inherent in 'dead weight' (which indicates lack of experience in this sort of crime, which again -- along with many other elements -- appears to rule out a contract hit). Maybe the killer was not physically all that strong
Can see no reason for the killer to return to the flat to deposit the victim's personal effects such as keys, shoes, phone, purse, etc. The body location denotes lack of forethought, so I'm not going to credit the killer with too much cunning at this point
It could be that someone known to the victim either gave her a lift part of the way home. Could have been following her for a day or so. Could have been driven by jealousy (of her or her boyfriend or of the relationship itself - could even have been jealousy/resentment about JY's career path and opportunities, etc.). JY might have hopped out of the vehicle, said 'thanks, would you like to come in for drink ? '. Or -- JY might have said her goodbyes, gone inside the flat, kicked off her boots, gone to the loo, taken a sip or two of cider --- and then realised she'd left the pizza in the vehicle
She might have looked out of the window to see if the car had left. And to her surprise, it was still there. She might have half-laughed and opened the door --- only to find the killer standing there
After that --
(1) JY says, ' Oh !' then nervous laugh. Killer might have made excuse for being there, along the lines of, ' Listen, just wondered if you felt like going for a drink, catch up on old times. We never did really talk about what happened ' (maybe they broke up -- maybe the killer was a woman and JY took her boyfriend, whatever )
(2) JY opens the door and killer is there and JY says, ' Thank goodness you haven't left, lol. I left my dinner in your car '
The killer might have gone to the door to finally do or say as they'd originally intended when they gave JY a lift. But being confronted by JY, they might have lost their nerve. So they go down to the car with JY, chatting away. JY has no boots on - she only intends to be a minute, literally
While JY is leaning into the car to grab the pizza bag, the killer might have impulsively pushed her into the vehicle. JY screams in surprise a couple of times ? Killer gets in with her, intending to have it out (about whatever their problem with JY is). JY could have said along the lines of, ' Listen, get off me. Get away from me, you psycho ! Let me out ! ' (sound of short screams claimed heard by people at party over the road ?)
Killer could have thrust their forearm against JY's throat. To control and/or silence her. A struggle. Killer knows they're in trouble now because JY will report them the minute she gets back to the flat. In panic, killer pushes harder against JY's throat, just to shut her up until they can talk to her, basically. She goes limp. Killer drives off in panic, desperate not to be seen
No sound from JY. Killer continues driving around. Finally stops, checks JY's pulse. Nothing. Panic. Killer finds nearest lay-by and puts the body there, then heads off. Could have been anywhere in the country a few hours later
Wind could have blown the flat door closed, although unlikely or cat might have vanished and GR or other resident would have noticed. So maybe JY left the door 'on the latch' (not sure what that means, actually) when she went down to the car to retrieve her pizza. Or killer could have run back to close the door before taking off in the car with JY's body
Anyway, anyone inclined, please pick the above to bits and discard
It's only a hodge-podge of several things that have occurred to me
Apart from that, I'm highly suspicious of the photos of the parents. So posed, staged. Very strange
The hat, the concealed hands of GR at the flower-laying photo op. Mmm
The 'best friend' and that Avon police video: she gives me the creeps
And before I use up an entire page, will just say there's something unconvincing (imo) about the version about JY's phoning her brother's friend
on the spur of the moment -- after an alleged absence of communication between them of approx. 2 years -- after she'd just left a group of friends -- on the first weekend she'd been separated from GR
We've all been in love. Madly in love, according to the friend (RS). So, if she felt a need to catch up with MW, why not do it when GR's around ? Why, out of the blue and almost as she's passing the very location where MW was at a party, did JY suddenly phone him to say, ' Where are you ? ' ??? Why not,
'Hi ! Guess who ! LOL ! Long time no see ! Just wanted to say Happy Christmas and will be in touch in the New Year '
So until it's conclusively proven that JY and MW had not spoken for two years prior to her call to him, I remain perplexed by the supposed 'randomness' of her choosing to contact him to ask, ' Where are you ' at that particular time and under the circumstances which have been claimed
Sorry for the length of this. Should have posted when I have more time and broken it into chunks
Congratulations again on your fantastic thread and the intelligence of its contributors
