UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #21

[Ruthbullock]

Trail upto the river bank from the top left side of the fishing pond

To me, that doesn’t like you would necessarily expect a slope into a river on the other side of there.

 

[Corneileus]

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It's all a puzzle isn't it? There are numerous possibilities of what happened re the timing and location of rape and into the water so we'll never know exactly. All we can do is speculate and look at the likelihood of what happened given what we know. I can't at all imagine the rape taking place on the green bit before the park entrance though like PR said. Surely it's way too light there (street lights etc) also it's so exposed - houses nearby where anyone cud have seen them from a window, people out walking maybe. Far too conspicuous for PR to risk it.

im gonna show you the houses and the full trail to where pawel claims to have parked up...take me a bit to post all the pics

 

[Corneileus]

To me, that doesn’t like you would necessarily expect a slope into a river on the other side of there.

its flat once you get up top, il post some more pics up then see what you think

 

[LucyRocket]

The cctv camera at the yeast factory. today I noticed that it is constantly turning around 360 degrees in a circle. First time ive ever looked properly but if it has night vision and was turning on the night it would of picked them up for sure i tripple checked.

How long is the 360° cycle?

 

[ChiCubs2016]

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im gonna show you the houses and the full trail to where pawel claims to have parked up...take me a bit to post all the pics

Thank you I was hoping that was your plan.

 

[Newthoughts]

I do not understand the issue with timing. He has time to rape her therefore it follows he has time to murder. The expert outlined subtle asphyxiation.

So how long does it really take to put a body in a river.

 

[Ruthbullock]

If the defence is not going to bring it up (the timing) as a big issue , why wud the prosecution make a point of it?

We don’t know that they won’t bring up the timings on the defence, but it’s the prosecutions responsibility to make as solid an argument as possible. There are many of us who have questions about the timing- it’s not necessarily the POV from the jury- but the park and what may have happened even if hypothetically could have made sense.

 

[Corneileus]

THE SIDE of the trail upto the river bank from the corner of the fishing pond, the trail is well used and very muddy and in snow you would have a hard time getting up it and so on, up the side on the grass could be easier but still slippy?

 

[Corneileus]

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I do not understand the issue with timing. He has time to rape her therefore it follows he has time to murder. The expert outlined subtle asphyxiation.

So how long does it really take to put a body in a river.

would be interesting to know which neighbours heard the screaming - theres a house on the park, looks a bit, i dunno maybe been done up, but the other houses are more than 300 metres away and there is some pretty dense woodland around, theres zero lights on the park/fields...it would be also very difficult to see anyone running away, its pitch black..but if ur used to living there...

 

[ChiCubs2016]

I do not understand the issue with timing. He has time to rape her therefore it follows he has time to murder. The expert outlined subtle asphyxiation.

So how long does it really take to put a body in a river.

I do not have an issue with the timing. I think PR knew the park and had a plan for his first opportunity. May not have been that night but he knew the lay of the land when the time came. MOO

 

[Corneileus]

Some more of the river bank stretch and yeast factory

 

[Alyce]

If the defence is not going to bring it up (the timing) as a big issue , why wud the prosecution make a point of it?

But the Defence are going to bring it up tomorrow. They have said they will call 2 witnesses who heard screams at 12.30am ( or thereabouts ) which is after PR had left ORPF

 

[Mommysleuth11]

I do not understand the issue with timing. He has time to rape her therefore it follows he has time to murder. The expert outlined subtle asphyxiation.

So how long does it really take to put a body in a river.

For me its the distance between his car and the river. Walking, dragging, carrying, stumbling and falling or running. Whichever scenario you look at there is distance to be covered in both directions. This is taking out the actual acts of rape/murder/body disposal.

That is where the timing problem comes in, fitting in those acts and somehow the 2 of them covering that distance at least on the way to the river.

There are a good split of us here that do and don't have issues with the timings so I think its a reasonable probability it will crop up for the jury somehow, given it was at least mentioned by prosecution in opening if not further this far.

 

[Mommysleuth11]

THE SIDE of the trail upto the river bank from the corner of the fishing pond, the trail is well used and very muddy and in snow you would have a hard time getting up it and so on, up the side on the grass could be easier but still slippy?

Do you think its possible the frozen ground and covering of snow may have made it more solid and less slippery?

 

[Ruthbullock]

its flat once you get up top, il post some more pics up then see what you think

Thank you, they really help

 

[Corneileus]

This the bottom of the trail upto the tiver bank, on the right is the fishing pond. This is the area top left of the fishing ponds where the neighbour felt the screams were coming from

 

[Corneileus]

Do you think its possible the frozen ground and covering of snow may have made it more solid and less slippery?

yes actually if it was frozen, i was just thinking light snow and mush..but if it was frozen there, yeah it can help to traverse the terrain.

 

[marshy73]

The reporter said on Look North (regional news) tonight “speaking through a translator “
Apologies if already been mentioned

 

[LucyRocket]

It's all a puzzle isn't it? There are numerous possibilities of what happened re the timing and location of rape and into the water so we'll never know exactly. All we can do is speculate and look at the likelihood of what happened given what we know. I can't at all imagine the rape taking place on the green bit before the park entrance though like PR said. Surely it's way too light there (street lights etc) also it's so exposed - houses nearby where anyone cud have seen them from a window, people out walking maybe. Far too conspicuous for PR to risk it.

Well we may one day know. He has given us a little bit of information on his previous crimes so if he's found guilty he might give some more detail. But he has only given information on the previous crimes to try and exonerate himself in this trial, and even then not very much, just the minimum to answer direct questions. Mostly with 'that is not correct'

 

[Corneileus]

But the Defence are going to bring it up tomorrow. They have said they will call 2 witnesses who heard screams at 12.30am ( or thereabouts ) which is after PR had left ORPF

#That will be interesting. sadly but necessary