UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 *ARREST* #19

[Officer Dibble]

My thanks too @jamjim.

my thanks too to jamjim

 

[JosieJo]

It always frustrating when the cause of death is inconclusive...whatever side of the fence we sit we can take our bits from the pathologist and it will fit ...imo it will be his past convictions, lies and behaviour that will get his conviction

 

[JosieJo]

Thanks so much for the updates

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Top left of pond and houses where witness livesView attachment 280391

I thought the house in question was the park “lodge”, the detached house next to the car park?

That is a terrible way to be found dead. RIP Libby.

But better than never being found at all.

Pavel Relovitz that is my interpretation. I know Pavel is Paul in English.
ETA W is pronounced as V

Pavel (rhymes with gravel) and Relowicz (like rella-vitch)

* based on someone I know with a similar name

'A subtle asphyxial death' chimes with what my gut has been saying.

Same, he wanted to keep her quiet. Hand over mouth.

 

[Newthoughts]

Not necessarily.
He probably just hasn’t been seen by that neighbour before. I would only notice my neighbours cleaning their cars if I walked past or was outside at that time as I can’t see from my house.
Just playing devils advocate that it doesn’t prove much.

But it does prove he cleaned his car after the event. I must admit I don't clean my car when it's that cold.

 

[Cherwell]

I thought the Polish letter ł was pronounced like an English w.

 

[JosieJo]

I thought the house in question was the park “lodge”, the detached house next to the car park?




But better than never being found at all.




Pavel (rhymes with gravel) and Relowicz (like rella-vitch)

* based on someone I know with a similar name




Same, he wanted to keep her quiet. Hand over mouth.

My circle is too far to the right..some discussion earlier as not sure if its the lodge or the houses in the street backing onto park

 

[Vermont24]

I thought the house in question was the park “lodge”, the detached house next to the car park?

Once upon a time. It's now a private house. , if that's indeed what you meant.

 

[Cherwell]

I thought the house in question was the park “lodge”, the detached house next to the car park?

Has that been stated anywhere? I may have missed something, as I thought the ear witnesses were all in Claremont Avenue.
(I might have just assumed that, though.)
It does seem as though anyone in the detached house would have been best placed to hear any commotion.

 

[Vermont24]

Has that been stated anywhere? I may have missed something, as I thought the ear witnesses were all in Claremont Avenue.
(I might have just assumed that, though.)
It does seem as though anyone in the detached house would have been best placed to hear any commotion.

There was a quote from the courtroom early on about a house 'along the trees', or something to that effect.

 

[martenwearer]

I wonder which way PR was seen exiting the park by the witness. For some reason I always thought it was by Croda, but now I’m starting to think it was by the tenfoot by Beresford Ave/Claremont Ave if this is where he parked

 

[Vermont24]

I wonder which way PR was seen exiting the park by the witness. For some reason I always thought it was by Croda, but now I’m starting to think it was by the tenfoot by Beresford Ave/Claremont Ave if this is where he parked

There's no exit from the park near Croda, unless exiting onto the river bank. And then it would be a long walk back to his car. Back onto Beresford Ave it is.

 

[martenwearer]

There's no exit from the park near Croda, unless exiting onto the river bank. And then it would be a long walk back to his car. Back onto Beresford Ave it is.

Thank you for clearing that up! Getting confused with the croda cctv

 

[Alyce]

Has that been stated anywhere? I may have missed something, as I thought the ear witnesses were all in Claremont Avenue.
(I might have just assumed that, though.)
It does seem as though anyone in the detached house would have been best placed to hear any commotion.

Definitely Oak Road - it's quoted in the testimony - will try and find it


edited to add the testimony


Mr Alford lived in a property that backed on to Oak Road playing fields when Libby disappeared.

 

[Vermont24]

Thank you for clearing that up! Getting confused with the croda cctv

Croda CCTV is some distance away. For clarity, here are the entrances:

Red circle - entrance to car park. Locked outside of 'business hours'. This can be quite early during winter
Green circle - a gap in the treeline. The park can always be entered on foot here. This is most likely, to me.
Yellow circle - there's a gate here, though I believe this is also locked out of hours.

 

[martenwearer]

Croda CCTV is some distance away. For clarity, here are the entrances:

Red circle - entrance to car park. Locked outside of 'business hours'. This can be quite early during winter
Green circle - a gap in the treeline. The park can always be entered on foot here. This is most likely, to me.
Yellow circle - there's a gate here, though I believe this is also locked out of hours.

Brilliant thank you. I thought he might’ve exited where the yellow circle is and turned left to walk down Oak Road. But makes sense to exit straight onto Beresford Ave!

 

[Cherwell]

14:54
'Evidence of asphyxia' on Libby's face
Dr Lyall carried out an external and internal examination.
Libby had two lacerations inside her top lip which could not be ruled out as having happened when she was in the water, Dr Lyall said. He said it was conclusive with blunt trauma in that area.
He said there was also evidence of small hemorrhages around her mouth which could be evidence of asphyxia.
Dr Lyall said: “It’s not conclusive but is something we look out for. It is like a little bruise but you tend to see lots of them at once around the lips or the eyes.
“They are a useful marker of it.”
He added that the hemorrhages could represent squeezing or compression of the neck or covering of the mouth.
Libby Squire trial live: Lifeboat crews describe discovery of body

Hang on - the Hull live report now says there was NO evidence of small hemorrhages around her mouth which could be evidence of asphyxia. Are they editing their reports? We're going to have to be careful about relying on the quotes in the thread if that's the case.

 

[Newthoughts]

Croda CCTV is some distance away. For clarity, here are the entrances:

Red circle - entrance to car park. Locked outside of 'business hours'. This can be quite early during winter
Green circle - a gap in the treeline. The park can always be entered on foot here. This is most likely, to me.
Yellow circle - there's a gate here, though I believe this is also locked out of hours.

It looks like a road / alleyway by your green circle. Is that a tenfoot? It looks like there is parking there

 

[wilkela]

I thought the Polish letter ł was pronounced like an English w.

Yeah you pretty close ;-)

 

[Alyce]

Hang on - the Hull live report now says there was NO evidence of small hemorrhages around her mouth which could be evidence of asphyxia. Are they editing their reports? We're going to have to be careful about relying on the quotes in the thread if that's the case.

That's a huge error