Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #14

[Lilbitcurious]

That’s is cruelly minimizing the families concern.

L conveyed this concern to the police when he reported N missing.

Unless you have someone who has mental health and/or alcohol problems perhaps can’t understand what trials it is for all.

Discussing mental health and drinking problems is not making one out to be a lush. Far from it.

Yes, unstable people are victimized too as they are many times more likely, especially women, to be victimized. I don’t find that lol.



All imo

L ? Do you mean PA. Or did I miss something?

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I cannot like this post enough @Cluella DeVille .
This all smacks of Innuendo. Well, she drinks and she was experiencing menopause - OMG how many women do I personally know that could describe. Victimize the victim imo since you have no clue where to go with this - or maybe its just to deflect. I notice when a woman goes missing there is oftentimes a default to.. Well, she may have been emotional and needed time to herself or self harm or drugs/alcohol etc etc.
Even if she was unstable( which imo has nothing to do with it) - unstable people get snatched too lol. I do not think she is in the river. The strangest part to me is her phone being on the bench still tuned in to her call. Was she sitting on that bench when someone put her in a chokehold from behind and rendered her unconscious then walked off with her? Who knows! Has there been any mention of her family getting a private eye? I have been following the news but not this sub as closely. Thanks ALL JMO

I totally agree. It seems like a bizarre deflection or explanation in the face of zero evidence and maybe having messed up.

Also, I'm baffled as to why this announcement is to prevent people selling stories to the press? There has apparently been stuff posted on various social media sites by locals that I won't mention here but amounts to gossip and 'scuttlebutt' as the americans say (my new favourite word gleaned from watching old tv shows). Supposing some village people have seen and heard things or had interactions that they want to tell to the press, logistically, how does the police and family announcement prevent that happening?

 

[EvaP]

By God how right you are. Your last sentence about a woman becoming a shell of herself sadly rings true for many in perimenopause. I just want to say how marvellous you are running a support group for ladies in menopause. My very best wishes to you.

There’s so little information out there for women and it take too long for them to get the help they need. My group is just one of many out there for like minded women all trying to support one another and help with the misinformation. The celebrity champions have helped this massively alongside doctors shining a light on what is a natural part of woman’s health. Let’s hope this all paved the way for a shift in attitudes and understanding. Best wishes to you also.

 

[waldojabba]

Oh and for certain people & certain media outlets to imply that these new revaluations have destroyed her :

Alcoholism is an illness. For people who understand this they have destroyed nothing.

I totally agree but
IMO IME very few people understand that alcoholism is an illness. Lots and lots of education needs to happen imo

 

[Bogbacal2]

<modsnip: quoted post removed> Just a little info if someone missed this-WS
Member “AllAboutTrial” took the time to transcribe the whole press conf: (sorry wasnt quite sure how to link it)
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[Lilbitcurious]

Just a little info if someone missed this-WS
Member “AllAboutTrial” took the time to transcribe the whole press conf: (sorry wasnt quite sure how to link it)
Post in thread 'UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #14'
UK - UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #14

You @Allabouttrial are a legend! Thank you for taking the time!

 

[GeorgeFormby]

As I replied to another member, my comment was directed at the gutter press twisting their sensational headlines into disrespectful rubbish. They did the same to Claudia Lawrence and Suzy Lamplugh (two that immediately spring to mind) and add a nice bit of juicy sleaze

Ahh, apologies, my post wasn't really aimed at you, per se. Most of the press are gutter, sensationalist rubbish, and its divisive, they turn people against people. I remember the Claudia Lawrence case very well, I had to go to York University to visit a facility, not long after her disappearance, and yes, I remember some drivel thrown out by the gutter press, along the lines of her seeing a few different men, as if she's not allowed to do that. It was almost like a subtext of her deserving to disappear, because she might have seen a few guys, whereas a guy seeing a few girls might be considered a stud, or player.

 

[bringmeacupoft]

I totally agree. It seems like a bizarre deflection or explanation in the face of zero evidence and maybe having messed up.

Also, I'm baffled as to why this announcement is to prevent people selling stories to the press? There has apparently been stuff posted on various social media sites by locals that I won't mention here but amounts to gossip and 'scuttlebutt' as the americans say (my new favourite word gleaned from watching old tv shows). Supposing some village people have seen and heard things or had interactions that they want to tell to the press, logistically, how does the police and family announcement prevent that happening?

Because that it, the other ‘stuff’ is gossip.

This is true.

 

[JaneDawn]

Imo I'm glad they have released the reasons as to why she was a high risk misper. Since her dissapearance social, media and theory's have completely gone through the roof. People are squabbling with each other continually getting false reports. Trespassing and anti social behaviour. This announcement I Hope will finally put things into abit more prospective.

I don't think the police needed to divulge the reasons of her very personal vulnerabilities. However, it make me wonder whether NB disappearing had happened before? I wonder this as in his interview, PA said he became worried when she hadn't returned by around 10.30am and phoned her phone. If she hadn't returned by say 5pm that day, it would make sense to worry. But why worry because she was still not back after about 30 mins or so that she'd normally be?

 

[Justice_4_Holly]

Yes, i have been thinking exactly the same. My uncle, the day before he took his life, had cleaned all the house and gardens for his wife.

Yeah, when PA said that usually they prepped everything together in the morning, but that the morning in question she’d already had everything prepped, it stuck with me because, as someone with suicidal ideation, that does sound like the kind of cleaning up behavior of a suicide.

And this was my thinking before we found out about her struggles.

Sadly, the additional information we’ve learned in the past day or so, only makes this more probable IMO. She was not in a great situation, and the events around her would have been triggers for me - for sure.

 

[Karin1974]

I think it's significant that they have spoken to both Paul AND the family so should have a fairly rounded view of the situation.

IMO I’m unsure of what a ‘Welfare Check’ means in the UK, here in Australia, I work with vulnerable, unemployed humans. Our work policy is that if any of our clients threaten to harm themselves (Doesn’t matter if we are having a telephone appointment or a face to face appointment) We are obligated to call the Police & request they conduct a Welfare Check at the persons home. This is also the ONLY circumstance, where we can request the Welfare Check. MOO

 

[Davieson]

Yeah, when PA said that usually they prepped everything together in the morning, but that the morning in question she’d already had everything prepped, it stuck with me because, as someone with suicidal ideation, that does sound like the kind of cleaning up behavior of a suicide.

And this was my thinking before we found out about her struggles.

Sadly, the additional information we’ve learned in the past day or so, only makes this more probable IMO. She was not in a great situation, and the events around her would have been triggers for me - for sure.

Would someone show similar behavior if they were planning to disappear ?

 

[gerbil]

IMO I’m unsure of what a ‘Welfare Check’ means in the UK, here in Australia, I work with vulnerable, unemployed humans. Our work policy is that if any of our clients threaten to harm themselves (Doesn’t matter if we are having a telephone appointment or a face to face appointment) We are obligated to call the Police & request they conduct a Welfare Check at the persons home. This is also the ONLY circumstance, where we can request the Welfare Check. MOO

Anyone can request a welfare check.

 

[Lilbitcurious]

Nothing said about car keys or car in press conference?

 

[Awaywego]

I think the menopause is a bit of a red herring in a way, it could have been the symptoms of any difficult to cope with chronic health condition it's unfortunate that it is a condition that is only experienced by women as I think people have interpreted LE releasing that as having some value judgement (I haven't personally experienced it like that, more that they felt backed into a corner by media circus but I can understand why it doesn't sit well) but if she had also been experiencing chronic pain/insomnia/fatigue etc etc then drinking to cope and struggling with your mood as a result is really common and understandable.

 

[Awaywego]

IMO I’m unsure of what a ‘Welfare Check’ means in the UK, here in Australia, I work with vulnerable, unemployed humans. Our work policy is that if any of our clients threaten to harm themselves (Doesn’t matter if we are having a telephone appointment or a face to face appointment) We are obligated to call the Police & request they conduct a Welfare Check at the persons home. This is also the ONLY circumstance, where we can request the Welfare Check. MOO

There's other situations in the UK where I'd imagine it's very common, eg say you've not been able to get hold of an elderly neighbour and noticed they haven't opened their curtains that morning but essentially any situation where you have a concern for someones welfare but it's not necessarily a crime or a medical emergency I'd imagine.

 

[Angleterre]

I'm not sure the revelations today make any difference, these things sound quite ordinary to me and are the typical life circumstances that many people encounter and from my point of view were already things that I'd expect to find in the background of typical folk.

Hi Tallmansix
I respectfully disagree.
This is a brief summary that I wrote earlier for another publication. I was limited to 1000 characters so I couldn’t put in as much as I wanted to say but it certainly gives you a different perspective, if you care to read it.

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As an SIO, I agree with this information released, albeit not the timing of it sadly.

It would be with the families consent to generate leads/sightings.

It's not a decision taken lightly,but it's been so long now, she is still missing and it's necessary as a last resort.

By publicising this ,it's a possibility that she's 'run' from her current life, overwhelmed, unable to cope, using alcohol to do so.

The public can now look for her with hope that she has walked away as opposed to unalived herself. We can be vigilant to try and find her ,wether that be on our streets, at alcohol establishments or even well women clinics and menopausal support groups.

As the Dive specialist said, it would have been better knowing this information from the start It alters the investigative strategy .

Personally, I find it unpalatable that this info has been released but I understand it's necessity in the absence of Nicola's whereabouts.

Every SIO has their own investigation style. Personally, I would have conducted this very differently to LanPol..

 

[waldojabba]

@Jade - I am not sure what happened to my initial reply so here I go -
I have many people in my family and extended family and life with substance use issues as well as mental health issues.
I certainly find no shame in either but IMO and IME stigma still exists -and is prevalent. So I have no denial about the hardships those with "vulnerabilities" face in the world and the behind the scenes gossip and tsk tsk conversations that go on. One has to only read through twitter and social media comments to get a read on it. I stand by my feeling that the information was meant to be disparaging and deflect away from LE and the investigation. That is how I personally see it. JUST IMO

 

[infinit]

Anyone can request a welfare check.

It doesn't mean one will be carried out though. This is a different Police force but I doubt it's much different between them.

When is a police welfare check appropriate​

West Yorkshire Police guidance states that police officers will only conduct welfare checks where one or more of the following circumstances occur:

• It is considered that there is an immediate, real and substantial risk to the life and/ or a risk of serious injury to the person or any other person.
• The circumstances mean there is a reasonable belief that a crime has been, is being or is about to be committed.
• In the case of a child, there is a reasonable belief that the child is suffering or is at risk of suffering immediate and significant harm as set out in Section 47 of the Children’s Act 1989.

https://www.leeds.gov.uk/one-minute-guides/police-welfare-checks

 

[29 Acacia Road]

Hi Tallmansix
I respectfully disagree.
This is a brief summary that I wrote earlier for another publication. I was limited to 1000 characters so I couldn’t put in as much as I wanted to say but it certainly gives you a different perspective, if you care to read it.

——-/////——-

As an SIO, I agree with this information released, albeit not the timing of it sadly.

It would be with the families consent to generate leads/sightings.

It's not a decision taken lightly,but it's been so long now, she is still missing and it's necessary as a last resort.

By publicising this ,it's a possibility that she's 'run' from her current life, overwhelmed, unable to cope, using alcohol to do so.

The public can now look for her with hope that she has walked away as opposed to unalived herself. We can be vigilant to try and find her ,wether that be on our streets, at alcohol establishments or even well women clinics and menopausal support groups.

As the Dive specialist said, it would have been better knowing this information from the start It alters the investigative strategy .

Personally, I find it unpalatable that this info has been released but I understand it's necessity in the absence of Nicola's whereabouts.

Every SIO has their own investigation style. Personally, I would have conducted this very differently to LanPol..

How much do you think the social media / Tik Tok / youtube and certain parts of the media has influenced what Lancs have done maybe compared to what they would normally do?