Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #14

[cottonweaver]

If it is a rag or journalist that has caused this, I'd love nothing more (apart from Nicola to turn up obviously) than for them to get named in the response.

Because of the backlash I can't see a reporter fessing up today. ( if true)

So many strange things going on behind the scenes in this case, and I don't mean the tin-foil hat or conspiracy theory type people

Edited to add
speaking of ' investigative reporters'... MWT has now done an exclusive with.... Mail
' a scathing attack by Mark Williams-Thomas' who is now credited as being ' country's best-known independent criminal investigator'

According to him LP investigation is /has
'major failings'
'totally wrong'
'shocking'
' horrific'

Investigator says cops in Nicola Bulley probe committed 'failings'

In a scathing attack Mark Williams-Thomas rounded on Lancashire Police's handling of the probe into the mystery of what happened to the young mother while out walking her dog three weeks ago.

www.dailymail.co.uk

which is in contrast to what he said yesterday wtte that LP must release the new info on NB

 

[Officer Dibble]

Do UK Police Forces get Media training? MOO

 

[infinit]

They would let her family know, but probably not the general public as people would still keep trying to find her for the family- which is counter productive. The messages today make me question whether this has already happened- and I hope it has, but that’s me personally hoping against the odds and if it is the case I’m not sure we will ever hear anything more.

Sadly the river searches and appeal for dashcam from the area don't really lend themselves to them having any evidence she has left the country. How she got out the area would be a bit of an irrelevance if she'd moved far away from it.

JMO

 

[Jubbababy]

There's a long list of women in the article below, who are still missing after suddely disappearing in recent years. I hadn't heard of any of them. I do wonder what was so different about Nicola's disappearance that caused such a huge amount of interest?

The women still missing as police continue search for Nicola Bulley

Strange disappearance of mother-of-two brings light to mysteries surrounding several other missing women

www.independent.co.uk

Claudia Lawrence has never been found either :-(

 

[DFR3217]

This attitude of shame is why it can be so hard for people to go and get help for their problem.

Snip >>

a former detective who was involved in the Sarah Payne case in 2000, told Sky News that the force have "completely destroyed" Ms Bulley's reputation >>

Nicola Bulley: Stopping menopause drugs 'ended up causing this crisis', family says.

N’s reputation is not completely destroyed.

The former detective wants any other woman to know her reputation is done if she has woman problems and drinking.

It’s not an insult if N struggled with drink.

It’s not a problem equivalent to the gutter. Just because it is legal doesn’t mean all is bright with even a few drinks for someone who turns to it in need.

So the information is pertinent. What if someone noticed a new person around charity places or a woman who looks like her staying in lodging and frequenting the pub or staying completely to her room?

A teacher and mother of three disappeared in Texas after saying she was going out for lunch and was recognized months later by someone eating a meal with her in New Orleans. She was living amongst the homeless.

A desperate walkaway like a suicide is not able to, doesn’t have the emotional bandwidth, to seek to help others before acting. That’s why WS doesn’t allow victim blaming.

If N did a walker or it was self-harm it does not mean she wasn’t or didn’t want to consider others. Often they incomprehensively think it is for the best. The dog was not left in a busy lane of traffic but in a familiar area with other dog walkers and friends.

I think it is dear that her family showed the goodness in describing N. That’s how they know her and see her in their lives.




What is an alcoholic? How to treat alcoholism
all imo

I agree with this. This is the sort of information that might, if she has just gone somewhere, potentially help identify her. Is drinking too much really reputation destroying? that's an awful lot of destroyed reputations. Somehow this case got more publicity than expected, and partly it was the picture of 'wholesomeness' we were given, that drove that. I remember following the story of Maria Rawlings on websleuths, who was, coincidentally, also 45, who was also described as vulnerable, but it got far less publicity. I can't see a pathway which this investigation could have followed that would have been obviously better, and we are where we are. JMO.

 

[Officer Dibble]

Or she could have gone straight across the road from the river path to the gate opposite and followed the river west along the footpath - her time visible to any passing dashcam would be limited to a couple of seconds.

This is sort of what happened to missing airman Corrie McKeague. It was said he couldn't get out of the 'horseshoe' area he was last seen on CCTV in town because CCTV covered it all but it turned out one or some or all (forget which) were moving/turning CCTV so he had a split second or two, to leave the area unseen on CCTV. MOO

 

[Officer Dibble]

Has it been confirmed if Willow’s lead was found or not found?

I don't believe it has been officially mentioned.

 

[Nikynoo]

Why would she be scared? Of what? Or of whom? Real or imagined? LE Does need to look into these statements more and hopefully, if Nicola is found , that she FEELS safe!

I would imagine that IF she has seen the media storm around her missing status, and her perceived fragility, she would feel anxious. Her family are simply being supportive at a distance. Why does everyone have to analyse and pick apart every little thing?

 

[WAWAW]

Does anyone know if rivers have cameras to monitor water levels, or are there any properties with cameras overlooking the river. If so could these be checked for a body that floats past. Note my knowledge of bodies in water is minimal and maybe they drift under the surface

 

[DFR3217]

This is sort of what happened to missing airman Corrie McKeague. It was said he couldn't get out of the 'horseshoe' area he was last seen on CCTV in town because CCTV covered it all but it turned out one or some or all (forget which) were moving/turning CCTV so he had a split second or two, to leave the area unseen on CCTV. MOO

Is cctv being relied on too much, it can prove a positive, but can it prove a negative? In this case it is being relied on to prove negatives. That NB didn't leave the area by a particular route.

 

[Rhomal]

Perhaps the police are in possession of such info JMO. A diagnosis of menopause or peri-menopause normally comes after visits with GP, blood tests to check FSH and AMH levels, ultrasounds to check the size of the ovaries etc.

Absolutely not the case at all. Perimenopause can only be diagnosed through symptoms. Blood tests are completely useless because hormones are fluctuating so much. The definition of actual menopause is when periods have completely stopped. Anything before this is Perimenopause and there is a list of around 30 recognised symptoms.

 

[dharmasarc]

This is sort of what happened to missing airman Corrie McKeague. It was said he couldn't get out of the 'horseshoe' area he was last seen on CCTV in town because CCTV covered it all but it turned out one or some or all (forget which) were moving/turning CCTV so he had a split second or two, to leave the area unseen on CCTV. MOO

He left the area in a bin van, the weight of the vans were confirmed and his father confirmed he used to sleep in bins/doorways when out of it.

 

[Purplepixii]

Braverman too now
( new link)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1626275386395860992

Well that’s a double-edged sword. I don’t want politicians having control over the police, that’s why there’s an independent police commission.
Hopefully government involvement here is with good intentions (but I won’t hold my breath).

 

[shadwell]

He left the area in a bin van, the weight of the vans were confirmed and his father confirmed he used to sleep in bins/doorways when out of it.

Though for an age Suffolk police were focused entirely on a particular recycling bin, until some internet random persuaded Biffa to go back through their (weigh on collection) billing records for all the bins at that location. Not that it came to anything…

 

[29 Acacia Road]

Thank you to everyone for some very informative posts, especially around the menopause, I really wasn't aware of the wide range of things that can impact a women's life with it.

Most of what I want to say has already been said, but I'll say it anyway.

In terms of Willow the dog, I feel like some people are too certain on what they believe the dog would and wouldn't have done. Dog's are like people, they all have their individual personalties. I have a dog and yes he does things that are very common with his breed, exactly how the breed is described, but by god he also does plenty of very non-breed common things, in fact some very non dog things too!

I think there is a very good chance Willow was off exploring the top field, sniffing around the bushes etc. A lot of dogs will run out of eye-view of their owner, especially in locations they are familiar and comfortable with. They will run off expecting their owner to be where they last left them, or close by. It's possible Willow was comfortable enough to leave Nicola on the bench and run off to do her own thing, she may not have seen Nicola leave the bench. In regards to why Willow would be running from the bench to the get, rather than the bench in the water, again this implies Willow saw Nicola enter the water. Even if Willow did see Nicola enter the water (and sadly potentially disappear quickly), it's possible Willow associated the gate with people (coming in and out), so she was desperately wanting someone to come through the gate so she could alert them something was wrong; Nicola had gone from the bench.

I have had suicidal thoughts since the age of 9, when my Dad committed suicide. It is a word I have known from a young age and it lead me to have my own mental health struggles. Because of my family history and knowing what a suicide does to a family (especially what it did to my mother), I have always said to myself, if I ever go through with it, then it would be planned. I'd make sure it wasn't messy/traumatic for someone finding my body, I'd make sure no family member found me and hopefully someone with at least some experience of seeing a dead body would find me (like Police).

However, for all that determination in me that I want to make my suicide as least traumatic for my family and everyone else and the detailed plans I have made in the past, there could always be that day where the thought would suddenly overtake all other thoughts and I would just decide there and then that it was time.

I got my dog as a protective factor, I would hate to think of him needing to be re-homed, the upset and confusion it would bring to him. I am all he has known since he was just 8 weeks old. But I can never be 100% certain that the darkness wouldn't overtake the immense love i have for him and the determination I have that he has the best life.

I guess what I am rambling about is suicides, mental health problems, and even dogs are not black and white things, there are things we can never predict.

 

[Belleville]

My opinion only in the words that follow:-
I think that possibly poor Nicola was/is a lady with problems and I think that her going missing is not the work of anyone else outside or within the family.
Will she be found? I think that in time yet to pass she will be found but sadly it will be earthly remains only.
Websleuths is a factual group, with good rules, good moderation and members. However some of the coverage on various other Social Media Channels such a Facebook, Twitter, TikTok etc has been at the very least damaging, troll like and I stand by what I say that it has hampered the Police Investigation. I'm all for free speech and non censorship but I think that it is time that maybe some of these groups were shut down.
In my humble opinion it would be a good thing if media coverage now started to dampen down considerably. I say this for above all two small girls, her partner AND other folk that live in the local area. They have all suffered gross invasions of their day to day lives and privacy and really this level of intrusion cannot go on.
I might wonder if the time is coming for specialist help for the family to be brought in to help them digest this terrible event in their lives, salvage what pieces they can and live life in whatever way they can manage. I so hope that resources are being made available especially for these children.
This is a tragic case that has been huge public news and by saying the above I am in no way inferring throwing the towel in on Nicola but above all its the children and their day to day lives that worry me as a result of all this. Its all so dreadfully sad.
JMO MOO

Agree. I was very much against censorship previously but I'm starting to see the damage it does. Nobody cares what they write anymore, there's no critical thinking, and it seems like police and male bashing is the route to take nowadays. Its turning political already. Ie polices fault = torys fault. They (whoever they are) want the Lancashire police cancelled now. Menopause/alcohol can cause mental health problems and its not sexist or victim blaming to say so.

 

[Lilly b]

thoughts now, with the new info, doesn't really change anything
What we do know is she's not been seen for nearly 3 weeks now, she would only have the clothes she stood up in, has no phone, from what I gather, hasn't been using a debit cards, if she wanted to leave , no sightings of her anywhere else have been reported, at what point do the police stop searching the river , and start going house to house and surrounding fields on a wider area?

 

[Mollie123]

Perhaps the police are in possession of such info JMO. A diagnosis of menopause or peri-menopause normally comes after visits with GP, blood tests to check FSH and AMH levels, ultrasounds to check the size of the ovaries etc.

I have been perimenopausal for approx 2 years. Recently I went to go for unrelated reason and mentioned I thought I was perimenopausal and did I need to notify them for any reason, i.e tests etc. The response was, no unless I was struggling and thought I needed hrt.

 

[Agatha3]

You are of course very right...I was referring to lurid headlines the gutter tabloids like to adopt

The two headlines I saw were on Nicola’s struggles with alcohol, garnering sympathy. What did others say, please?

 

[rockthecasbah]

Absolutely not the case at all. Perimenopause can only be diagnosed through symptoms. Blood tests are completely useless because hormones are fluctuating so much. The definition of actual menopause is when periods have completely stopped. Anything before this is Perimenopause and there is a list of around 30 recognised symptoms.

Early menopause

Find out about early menopause, when a woman's periods stop before the age of 45, and the treatment available

www.nhs.uk

Early menopause is experiencing symptoms below age 45. Below age 40 it's called premature ovarian insufficiency