Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #15

[JennieM]

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a general query about POI… when a person becomes a poi .. do the public get to know this? When would we know. Why would the police publish who are poi?
Sorry just wondering..

What we know now is that he is not POI.

 

[Andreee]

I don’t think that is known or has been published.

This line of talk can only go south, IMO.

 

[JennieM]

how do you know? I don't think that info has ever been made known

I said 'I think' not 'I know'. My understanding from what I've read so far.

 

[Marie Bell]

Unless I missed something, LE specifically said "the mobile phone was back on the bench at 9:20 am"

Always intrigued by the "back on the bench" which infers it was there previously but may just be semantics.

Whichever, it only states the location of the mobile phone and not NB which is more significant.

I'm guessing now but something gave some location data from the phone, just guessing but no idea really, maybe "find my" enabled in an iPhone, for example, confirmed that location at that time.

Yes, the use of the word' back' was a slight sloppiness of speech, I thought; and I imagine it was because the bench was in the vicinity of the gate she'd entered by.

 

[DazN]

Maybe, if they can pinpoint location so accurately, NB was sitting on the bench taking the call (or that’s the assumption), then they know she walked around, then the phone was left on the bench by itself?

GPS data isn't that accurate. Even looking at my own phone now on Find My it moves around a bit despite it being sat on the table. IMO

 

[Lincoln34]

He also said it was about a foot higher than on the day of his searching so it does seem possible there would have been some flow. It is only a small river and a foot extra is quite a significant amount of water.

ETA link

Diving expert claims video proves Nicola Bulley didn't fall into river

Peter Faulding and his team were called in by her family to help with the search.

metro.co.uk

PF of all people will definitely know what he is talking about with regards to river searches. He's a dive

I’ve just finished PF’s book. Obviously it is his own life story etc but he comes across as very empathetic and has a great deal of experience, including the spy in the bag case and numerous cases involving caving / diving. I was genuinely surprised, as I thought the book would be far more of an ego trip, but it’s actually pretty nuanced.

 

[Marie Bell]

GPS data isn't that accurate. Even looking at my own phone now on Find My it moves around a bit despite it being sat on the table. IMO

In one of the LP press conferences they stated clearly that they had been able to place the phone exactly because of the massive amount of work that the technicians have carried out on it. For obvious reasons most of the techniques and tools that are deployed by police special investigators and technicians are treated as sensitive and aren't disclosed.

 

[OceanElix]

I work in finance and only have one phone.

Honestly, the guff people spout on here, fs.

What do you mean 'guff people spout'? lol It's really not unusual for people to have a work mobile and a personal mobile.
I have one provided by work I access work email, work teams meetings, take calls etc eta this is so my personal number is not shared with clients, my work mobile is also linked to my desk landline number. I then have my own personal mobile.

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

I said 'I think' not 'I know'. My understanding from what I've read so far.

What have you read so far that gives you an understanding of who was at the meeting? I'm not finding any information that states that.

 

[barbara fox]

In the Channel 5 interview PA says something like with Nicki “what you see is what you get, there’s nothing else going on”.

I find myself wondering why he said that if the family have apparently told the police that she had had problems with drink; that it had made things difficult for him and that there had been a recent police visit to their home for NB.

I suspect there’s not much to be taken from it. Perhaps it’s just a turn of phrase, perhaps he didn’t think any of the problems were very serious, perhaps he’s just knackered and emotionally wrought and not thinking straight, perhaps he didn’t want to say anything less than positive. But any thoughts?

 

[Auntie Cipation]

And she maybe didn't want him at her house, or he didn't want to go to her house.

Doesn't PA also work from home? Having an in-person meeting at home while someone else is also trying to work might be disturbing.

I don't know the towns involved, but I also thought "maybe the boss had other errands in Garstang, or a favorite restaurant he rarely gets to, etc." I don't see this choice to meet in Garstang as at all significant. MOO

 

[Grouse]

I wouldn't read too much into any of this, sometimes I email my boss 10-20 times a day, sometimes 1 per week, which means nothing.

Exactly. Employee sends email to boss is hardly a red flag.

 

[DazN]

In one of the LP press conferences they stated clearly that they had been able to place the phone exactly because of the massive amount of work that the technicians have carried out on it. For obvious reasons most of the techniques and tools that are deployed by police special investigators and technicians are treated as sensitive and aren't disclosed.

From the most recent LE presser:

"We then know, from digital data, that at sometime around 9:20 we believe that Nicola's handset had moved towards the bench area."

"We then know at about 9:33 a local dog walker who was walking her dog, comes across the bench and finds Willow, untied, running between the bench and the gate. The mobile phone is on the bench, face upwards, still logged into the Teams call"

So LE knew it moved (presumably from elsewhere in the field) to the bench. It was then seen by a witness on the bench. That will be using the stored GPS data. That is the only way a phone knows its' location and it's only accurate to a 5m radius. JMO

 

[JennieM]

What have you read so far that gives you an understanding of who was at the meeting? I'm not finding any information that states that.

I took it to mean one-to-one. That is all.

Missing Nicola Bulley's mum and dad fear 'somebody has got her'

Nicola, a dog walker, went missing on Friday along a river towpath in Lancashire.

www.birminghammail.co.uk

 

[tallmansix]

GPS data isn't that accurate. Even looking at my own phone now on Find My it moves around a bit despite it being sat on the table. IMO

Indoors isn't as accurate as outdoors. Where NB's phone was last found was a nice clear outdoor area with no obstructions to receiving data from the GPS satellites so could be as accurate as 5 metres.

But having a data set over a period of time can provide even more accuracy, if you average the location from many readings in a good outdoor location, they can be pretty much bang on within a metre.

In one of the LP press conferences they stated clearly that they had been able to place the phone exactly because of the massive amount of work that the technicians have carried out on it. For obvious reasons most of the techniques and tools that are deployed by police special investigators and technicians are treated as sensitive and aren't disclosed.

There's nothing secret about the data available from a mobile phone, the tools and techniques are well-known among tech circles.

"Exactly" can mean all sorts, locating the phone within 1cm/1m/10m, each could be considered "exact" depending on the circumstances.

I think it is likely that the average of all the GPS readings was consistent from 9:20 am until at least 9:33 am when the data was corroborated by a witness that reported the phone being on the bench and it is reasonable therefore to conclude it was on the bench throughout, especially if some other data such as the step counter from the accelerometer recorded no movements in this period.

Police don't usually do this technical forensics work themselves, they contract out tech specialists that do this for a living and are available to do it for anybody that can pay their rates.

 

[Jenz]

Missing mum of two seen 'laughing and joking' moments before she disappeared

Nicola Bulley, 45, disappeared while out on a dog walk last Friday morning after dropping her children at school in St Michael's-on-Wyre, Lancashire, before police launched a major search operation

www.mirror.co.uk

It was asked by someone earlier if Nicola had gone missing before. With all the confusion of where Willow was found and the phone etc. I decided to go back to the earlier reports by msm (Thank you @Allabouttrial ).

I found this earlier report about the community gathering to search and found it interesting that someone searched " an abandoned house between the village hall and the Ivy Dene Alpacas site" I tried to get a street view of this with no luck.

Sorry if this has been looked at and dismissed, as much as I have tried, it's difficult to keep up.

I also found there was conflicting information in earlier reports of where Willow and phone etc were found and the sequence of events.....

 

[onthecounter]

I took it to mean one-to-one. That is all.

Missing Nicola Bulley's mum and dad fear 'somebody has got her'

Nicola, a dog walker, went missing on Friday along a river towpath in Lancashire.

www.birminghammail.co.uk

I made that assumption too for some reason… I can’t think why now.

 

[WAWAW]

Dog walker reveals moment he found Nicola Bulley's phone on bench

A dogwalker who found missing Nicola Bulley's phone thought 'this is not right'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

UPDATED: 12:33 EST, 17 February 2023
''A dogwalker who found missing Nicola Bulley's phone came forward today and revealed how he thought, 'this is not right'.

The man, who said he was called Ron, went public this morning three weeks after the mortgage adviser vanished in St Michael's on Wyre.

In an extraordinary coincidence he appeared on television walking his dog as Sky News recreated 45-year-old Ms Bulley's own walk.''

'He confirmed he had given a full statement to the police after finding Ms Bulley's phone on the bench at around 9.30am on January 27.'' rbbm

He said: 'Each day something new comes out doesn't it.'

''He didn't know Ms Bulley but recognised her dog Willow.

'I'd seen both owners of Willow walking this dog in the past, but while I knew their faces I didn't know their names,' he said.

Ron added that when he first found the phone he thought 'somebody had gone to toilet'.

He added: 'I got to about this red brick building here and I thought 'this is not right'.

'Then it was just a progression of things happening, you know. Because of the wallpaper on the phone we found out who the couple were, and the school was contacted and Paul arrived.'
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In an extraordinary coincidence Ron appeared on television walking his dog as Sky News recreated Ms Bulley's walk.

Sorry I'm confused about this. I thought it was a lady from the caravan park who found the dog and phone. Is this a second person who found it, if so at What time, did he check the river for a missing dog owner and was the dog there?

 

[JennieM]

I made that assumption too for some reason… I can’t think why now.

Maybe because her dad said she went to meet her boss, and then we imagined those two only.

 

[tallmansix]

Sorry I'm confused about this. I thought it was a lady from the caravan park who found the dog and phone. Is this a second person who found it, if so at What time, did he check the river for a missing dog owner and was the dog there?

From the article you linked are the answers:

"He didn't know Ms Bulley but recognised her dog Willow."

"Ron added that when he first found the phone he thought 'somebody had gone to toilet'.

He added: 'I got to about this red brick building here and I thought 'this is not right'.

Minutes earlier, a local businesswoman – also walking her dog – had found Willow loose and the phone on the bench."