Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #4

[dancenog]

Was the harness itself wet I wonder? If mines get muddy or worse(poo!) I would defo try wash it off before letting it get everywhere!

thats a good question

 

[vivienbee]

What if she walked down to help Willow with something, they got accidentally entangled, her necklace snapped, etc.

I'm just not seeing a scenario where she would have been walking close enough to the edge of the river in the first place for an object like a necklace to fall in. Also, I find it extremely unlikely that anyone would willingly climb into a river, in mid Jan, with no visibility, to blindly feel around for an object.

 

[PandaMarch]

Was the harness itself wet I wonder? If mines get muddy or worse(poo!) I would defo try wash it off before letting it get everywhere!

Yes I don't think I've seen an answer to that, I could have forgotten tho, there's been so many posts

 

[Dobby’s sock]

What if she walked down to help Willow with something, they got accidentally entangled, her necklace snapped, etc.

IMO that scenario just seems a little bit too unimaginable to occur

 

[Grouse]

Superintendent - “Well, as each day goes on we become very much more concerned for Nicola's safety, but we have the best minds and the best trained officers available to us, as well as a number of very specialist partners, so every potential possible way of improving our chances of finding Nicola are being exploited.” Thank you. (BBM)

But they are not looking at every potential possible way of improving their chances of finding Nicola because they have ruled out &/or closed their minds to the “potential possibility” of 3rd party, criminal or suspicious involvement.

I don't think it's fair or accurate to say they've closed their minds. They are still appealing for footage from Garstang Rd exits. If they can cover that off it will make the river explanation the most likely explanation but as they say it's a hypothesis at the moment.

 

[Casseus]

Looking for some clarification here please as I have been following the news about NB closely for the last week and am now confused about the timeline.

This is the official timeline by the Lancashire Police
Lancs Police Official NB timeline

Missing in that timeline or unclear when it happened (if it did) is the local business woman who FIRST found Willow roaming around alone.

She spoke to reporters and her account is here

Shop owner who found willow

In that article she found willow, and TIED her up at the bench. Went home for an appointment and could not stick around. She told her daughter who then alerted Paul A. And then the police. That is the sequence of events in that article as described by the woman who found willow.
So my questions are
- why is this event not listed in the official timeline by the police?
- what time did this happen?
- how much time elapsed between willow being tied up and the dog walkers arriving to find her for a second time alone.
- who actually called Paul? Was it the daughter of the woman or the dog walkers who found willow a second time.
- how did willow get free after being tied up, she was found with no leash or harness?
- who called the police then?!

I have read every article available now and I’m really perplexed why this woman’s actions and account are not included? It skips that willow was found by someone first and left alone tied to the bench.

Edited to add: MOO I do believe there is subtext surrounding the Fitbit, even the older models will live record your heart rate. I have one that is 6 years old and updates to my phone every few minutes. It’s also water proof. I actually think they know Nicola passed away in that river because her Fitbit recorded her potentially drowning and heart no longer beating. I actually believe they aren’t focusing on anything else because it’s almost a certainty using that data she has passed. They need the footage from the allotment lane almost to finalise and box it off, not leaving any stone unturned so to speak. MOO

 

[kittythehare]

Superintendent - “Well, as each day goes on we become very much more concerned for Nicola's safety, but we have the best minds and the best trained officers available to us, as well as a number of very specialist partners, so every potential possible way of improving our chances of finding Nicola are being exploited.” Thank you. (BBM)

But they are not looking at every potential possible way of improving their chances of finding Nicola because they have ruled out &/or closed their minds to the “potential possibility” of 3rd party, criminal or suspicious involvement.

They work off evidence.
It's black and white and they too are bound by the law.
At this point in time they have no evidence to suggest a third party is involved.
Their protocols are really stiff, no room for speculation.
They are not saying no evidence will ever appear or we can't be bothered.
They have huge resources poured into this, assisted by several other police forces and they are co-ordinating a massive operation.
They won't be taking shortcuts.

It's not what we want to hear.
We want this to end happily.
It may not.

 

[Lilbitcurious]

I’ll try find the one the Daily Mail did yesterday it was a video of someone walking the route and on the right of it was an arial view marking the route as the person videoed. Anyone help with this please?

 

[Taskforce88]

Looking for some clarification here please as I have been following the news about NB closely for the last week and am now confused about the timeline.

This is the official timeline by the Lancashire Police
Lancs Police Official NB timeline

Missing in that timeline or unclear when it happened (if it did) is the local business woman who FIRST found Willow roaming around alone.

She spoke to reporters and her account is here

Shop owner who found willow

In that article she found willow, and TIED her up at the bench. Went home for an appointment and could not stick around. She told her daughter who then alerted Paul A. And then the police. That is the sequence of events in that article as described by the woman who found willow.
So my questions are
- why is this event not listed in the official timeline by the police?
- what time did this happen?
- how much time elapsed between willow being tied up and the dog walkers arriving to find her for a second time alone.
- who actually called Paul? Was it the daughter of the woman or the dog walkers who found willow a second time.
- how did willow get free after being tied up, she was found with no leash or harness?
- who called the police then?!

I have read every article available now and I’m really perplexed why this woman’s actions and account are not included? It skips that willow was found by someone first and left alone tied to the bench.

What did she tie the dog up with I wonder, if the harness and lead were found down towards the river?

 

[Dobby’s sock]

I’ll try find the one the Daily Mail did yesterday it was a video of someone walking the route and on the right of it was an arial view marking the route as the person videoed. Anyone help with this please?

I think it was in thread number 3 it was posted yesterday if I remember correctly.

 

[JennieM]

I’ll try find the one the Daily Mail did yesterday it was a video of someone walking the route and on the right of it was an arial view marking the route as the person videoed. Anyone help with this please?

Is this the one you meant?

Video: Aerials of scene where mother Nicola Bulley went missing | Daily Mail Online

Police today revealed they are convinced Nicola Bulley has fallen into the River Wyre in a tragic accident but officers are yet to find her as they search 10-miles of water to the Irish Sea.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[PandaMarch]

I’ll try find the one the Daily Mail did yesterday it was a video of someone walking the route and on the right of it was an arial view marking the route as the person videoed. Anyone help with this please?

I can have a look

 

[Taskforce88]

Did the lady that found the dog and tied it up also find the phone or was that a second person? Did the local business owner not see the phone?

 

[cottonweaver]

Ankle length padded gilets - if zipped - would restrict movement from the waist down if you fell into that deep stretch of river.
Can see how difficult it is for the police divers to clamber up parts of that river bank, judging from the photos of the river search

Nicola Bulley's family find police river theory 'hard to contemplate'

Police expressed concerns that the missing mother-of-two may have fallen in the icy cold water on River Wyre while trying to retrieve her dog Willow's tennis ball.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Am sure it will have already been mentioned but, if she'd fallen in and was carried along by the current, wouldn't the dog have followed the river downstream as the dog would have been able to see her being carried along? ( Rather than staying by the bench. Springers wouldn't have difficulty jumping the fences )

 

[IKnowNowt]

I think Willow may have dropped the ball and it's rolled down the banking into the water. Willow has barked/whined at the water's edge, wanting her ball, so NB has gone to retrieve it. I wonder if she had the ball slinger? There's one in the boot of the car in one photo. She may have tried to reach it with that, or the dog excitedly jumped up at her and lost her balance. Although, I would think a ball slinger would have been found in the river.

 

[Taskforce88]

Ankle length padded gilets - if zipped - would restrict movement from the waist down if you fell into that deep stretch of river.
Can see how difficult it is for the police divers to clamber up parts of that river bank, judging from the photos of the river search

Nicola Bulley's family find police river theory 'hard to contemplate'

Police expressed concerns that the missing mother-of-two may have fallen in the icy cold water on River Wyre while trying to retrieve her dog Willow's tennis ball.

www.dailymail.co.uk

NB might have gone into the water holding the lead and was struggling to get back up due to her clothing. That may explain the lead on the bank, she let go of it while trying to climb out.

 

[PandaMarch]

I’ll try find the one the Daily Mail did yesterday it was a video of someone walking the route and on the right of it was an arial view marking the route as the person videoed. Anyone help with this please?

this one?

Questions about Nicola Bulley's disappearance has spawned questions

The riddle of mother-of-two Nicola Bulley - who 'vanished into thin air' while walking her dog Willow on Friday - has spawned 15 questions.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[vivienbee]

What did she tie the dog up with I wonder, if the harness and lead were found down towards the river?

I think just the harness was down by the bank. No mention of the lead being with it as far as I can tell. So either she used Willow's lead, which was found somewhere else, detached the lead from the harness, or used something else as a makeshift lead. The details surrounding this encounter are so unclear it's hard to say.

 

[Lilbitcurious]

Is this the one you meant?

Video: Aerials of scene where mother Nicola Bulley went missing | Daily Mail Online

Police today revealed they are convinced Nicola Bulley has fallen into the River Wyre in a tragic accident but officers are yet to find her as they search 10-miles of water to the Irish Sea.

www.dailymail.co.uk

No it was a split screen, route being walked on the left and an arial photo tracing the route on the right. I thought it was just all grass and trails but half the video was actually a busy road and the person filming crossed over what looked like a path through a roundabout.

 

[Taskforce88]

No it was a split screen, route being walked on the left and an arial photo tracing the route on the right. I thought it was just all grass and trails but half the video was actually a busy road and the person filming crossed over what looked like a path through a roundabout.

Roundabout near the school?