Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire), Jan 2023 #18

[ginnyw]

In reply:
1. - Perhaps the parents did not know about any struggles NB was having. Adult children (and their siblings) tend to hide alot from ageing parents.
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3. It is very difficult to find a dead body in water.

I appreciate your answers and yes, all feasible. But re point 1) I think they referred later on to this 'crisis' so I thought perhaps that they did indeed know she was having a struggle, which makes the earlier statement all the more curious. Even if they didn't, parents have a way of knowing things about their children - I've never been able to hide any of my struggles from mine! And they saw her just before she disappeared.

Nicola Bulley: Stopping menopause drugs 'ended up causing this crisis', family says

The family's statement comes as Lancashire Police faces criticism for disclosing that the mother-of-two suffered "some significant issues with alcohol" in the past brought on by "ongoing struggles with the menopause".

news.sky.com

 

[shinimeggie]

On the note of adult children and their parents -- my parents don't know a lot about my addiction problems and whilst they might mention my in-recovery BPD and chronic pain, they would not mention the medication I choose to take for recreation.

I don't find it odd that her parents might not have known about every single problem she had that may lead to this series of events; even from an accident.

If I fell in a river in a walk, heaven forbid, and I was high on medication they knew nothing about, they would not mention it because they don't know. If they did know, they may be hesistant to mention it because it may result in less attention on my case.

Lord knows we've seen that happen before if someone is a drug addicted, is mentally unwell, or has a criminal history.

ETA: NB goes from relatable mum with a partner and young children, living your average life that lots of people will understand, to someone who couldn't 'cope' with a change most women deal with in life, and someone who used alcohol to cope with this change and day-by-day life which reads as perfect on paper.

 

[Bibitty]

The conspiracy theories are as wild as ever on various parts of social media - if anything, worse than they were before. A lot of people are going to be really disappointed when they hear the results of the inquest later this year! I've never thought that there was any suggestion of foul play whatsoever in this case, but there are still three things which bother my mind from time to time: these are all MOO.

1) Why did NB's parents say this about her health, when what came out shortly afterwards via the police seemed to contradict it?
They said the disappearance of the 45-year-old mum from in Inskip, Lancashire, was totally out of character, Ernest saying she had no health problems and was in good spirits enjoying her job.

Devastated parents promise to never stop looking for mum-of-two who vanished

Nicola Bulley has been missing from her home in Inskip, Lancs, since Friday morning when she was last seen walking her dog WIllow - her parents exclusively told the Mirror of their conversation with her

www.mirror.co.uk

Nicola Bulley: Missing mother had alcohol issues, police say

The mother's problems with drinking were brought on by her struggles with the menopause, police say.

www.bbc.co.uk

2) Why did PA talk in general terms in his TV interview about the last morning and who usually loaded the car, rather than be specific about who did it on that particular morning, ie, NB? Why did he twice mention changing into his gym clothes before going out to search for her?

Nicola Bulley's partner speaks out: Everything we learned from interview

Paul Ansell says he '100% knows' the missing mum is not in the river.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk

3) Why, if it was an accidental fall into the water near the bench, did no police diver or SGI specialist find her body in the first two weeks?

Peter Faulding says missing Nicola Bulley is not in the river

Peter Faulding believes that had the mother of two fallen down the bank of the River Wyre in Lancashire she would have been easily able to stand up.

www.dailymail.co.uk

1. Preserving her dignity and privacy if she had just taken herself off. Also that of her partner and children.

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3. Because possibly she walked downstream under the bridge to deeper water to take her own life which was tidal to body moves back and forth deep down before rising weeks later and gets stuck in reeds which PF said he couldn’t rule out and where she was found.

 

[ginnyw]

1. Preserving her dignity and privacy if she had just taken herself off. Also that of her partner and children.

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3. Because possibly she walked downstream under the bridge to deeper water to take her own life which was tidal to body moves back and forth deep down before rising weeks later and gets stuck in reeds which PF said he couldn’t rule out and where she was found.

Excellent answers - thank you. Although I still struggle with 3) because there are so many other ways to take your own life that don't involve the horrors of trying to drown yourself out in public, but that's just MOO. I've always thought that it was an accident but the only thing that makes me question that is that she wasn't found in the water near the bench and Willow's lead etc. It truly is the strangest case. JMO.

 

[ginnyw]

On the note of adult children and their parents -- my parents don't know a lot about my addiction problems and whilst they might mention my in-recovery BPD and chronic pain, they would not mention the medication I choose to take for recreation.

I don't find it odd that her parents might not have known about every single problem she had that may lead to this series of events; even from an accident.

If I fell in a river in a walk, heaven forbid, and I was high on medication they knew nothing about, they would not mention it because they don't know. If they did know, they may be hesistant to mention it because it may result in less attention on my case.

Lord knows we've seen that happen before if someone is a drug addicted, is mentally unwell, or has a criminal history.

ETA: NB goes from relatable mum with a partner and young children, living your average life that lots of people will understand, to someone who couldn't 'cope' with a change most women deal with in life, and someone who used alcohol to cope with this change and day-by-day life which reads as perfect on paper.

Again - excellent points, thanks for writing them. It is such a relief to have this forum for reasonable considered opinion when I see what else is Out There! But re your last added-in point there - I think that's why there is so much debate and confusion about what happened, because although one could see it as a hidden 'can't cope' thing going on with NB, the other side of that one could also see it it as her actually STILL living that normal average life up until the last minute - coping with school drop-off and dog-walking and job participation, coping with a lot of stuff that many other people could not actually deal with if they were in a crisis. So I guess that's why there is still so much debate. JMO.

 

[jackal67]

1) Actually I am sure it would be difficult not to notice ! They blamed her stopping the HRT treatment for her " problems" ?
Also they said later that she had been the centre of their lives . I remember thinking at the time what an odd thing to say when you have another daughter .

They may well have not wanted to discuss Nicolas health struggles publicly. At the time of their interview they were hopeful she would be found alive.

 

[Marie Bell]

The conspiracy theories are as wild as ever on various parts of social media - if anything, worse than they were before. A lot of people are going to be really disappointed when they hear the results of the inquest later this year! I've never thought that there was any suggestion of foul play whatsoever in this case, but there are still three things which bother my mind from time to time: these are all MOO.

1) Why did NB's parents say this about her health, when what came out shortly afterwards via the police seemed to contradict it?
They said the disappearance of the 45-year-old mum from in Inskip, Lancashire, was totally out of character, Ernest saying she had no health problems and was in good spirits enjoying her job.

Devastated parents promise to never stop looking for mum-of-two who vanished

Nicola Bulley has been missing from her home in Inskip, Lancs, since Friday morning when she was last seen walking her dog WIllow - her parents exclusively told the Mirror of their conversation with her

www.mirror.co.uk

Nicola Bulley: Missing mother had alcohol issues, police say

The mother's problems with drinking were brought on by her struggles with the menopause, police say.

www.bbc.co.uk

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3) Why, if it was an accidental fall into the water near the bench, did no police diver or SGI specialist find her body in the first two weeks?

Peter Faulding says missing Nicola Bulley is not in the river

Peter Faulding believes that had the mother of two fallen down the bank of the River Wyre in Lancashire she would have been easily able to stand up.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Re 1. I personally think that they said it because it was true. Somebody could have some issues at one point, but then move on from them, and be feeling and doing ok. Accidents are equal opportunities incidents that can happen to anyone. It's my continued belief that upon assessment of everything police gathered from the family in the initial stages there was no reason to believe she'd harmed herself. I continue to cite the press conference by Superintendent Riley as my justification for this belief. "We think the most probable hypothesis is that she was doing something with the dog and its harness and accidentally fell into the river". They wouldn't word it in that way if they thought that suicide was a realistic possibility.

 

[NextSprint]

On the note of adult children and their parents -- my parents don't know a lot about my addiction problems and whilst they might mention my in-recovery BPD and chronic pain, they would not mention the medication I choose to take for recreation.

I don't find it odd that her parents might not have known about every single problem she had that may lead to this series of events; even from an accident.

If I fell in a river in a walk, heaven forbid, and I was high on medication they knew nothing about, they would not mention it because they don't know. If they did know, they may be hesistant to mention it because it may result in less attention on my case.

Lord knows we've seen that happen before if someone is a drug addicted, is mentally unwell, or has a criminal history.

ETA: NB goes from relatable mum with a partner and young children, living your average life that lots of people will understand, to someone who couldn't 'cope' with a change most women deal with in life, and someone who used alcohol to cope with this change and day-by-day life which reads as perfect on paper.

What about your partner? Would you expect them to mention a chemical you were self-medicating with (in this case, alcohol), in that hypothetical case?

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

The conspiracy theories are as wild as ever on various parts of social media - if anything, worse than they were before. A lot of people are going to be really disappointed when they hear the results of the inquest later this year! I've never thought that there was any suggestion of foul play whatsoever in this case, but there are still three things which bother my mind from time to time: these are all MOO.

1) Why did NB's parents say this about her health, when what came out shortly afterwards via the police seemed to contradict it?
They said the disappearance of the 45-year-old mum from in Inskip, Lancashire, was totally out of character, Ernest saying she had no health problems and was in good spirits enjoying her job.

Devastated parents promise to never stop looking for mum-of-two who vanished

Nicola Bulley has been missing from her home in Inskip, Lancs, since Friday morning when she was last seen walking her dog WIllow - her parents exclusively told the Mirror of their conversation with her

www.mirror.co.uk

Nicola Bulley: Missing mother had alcohol issues, police say

The mother's problems with drinking were brought on by her struggles with the menopause, police say.

www.bbc.co.uk

<modsnip - insinuations against a person not named POI by LE>

3) Why, if it was an accidental fall into the water near the bench, did no police diver or SGI specialist find her body in the first two weeks?

Peter Faulding says missing Nicola Bulley is not in the river

Peter Faulding believes that had the mother of two fallen down the bank of the River Wyre in Lancashire she would have been easily able to stand up.

www.dailymail.co.uk

How do you know the results of the inquest and if so, what is the wait for them to be released, I'm confused.

 

[Bibitty]

What about your partner? Would you expect them to mention a chemical you were self-medicating with (in this case, alcohol), in that hypothetical case?

The police were already aware of background issues. PA, the family and the police felt no need to share this info with the general public in order to advance the inquiry. It was only after irrelevant and relentless external pressures that would have caused stress to the family that the police revealed this info IMHO

 

[Seattle1]

What are you suggesting that he would have stalked the funeral or burial plot?

I believe the concern was he would launch a drone and therefore closed the airspace during the services.

 

[Nikynoo]

How do you know the results of the inquest and if so, what is the wait for them to be released, I'm confused.

I think what @ginnyw is saying is that the Inquest will return a cause of death of accidental drowning and this verdict will disappoint those who are seeking an alternative verdict.

 

[ginnyw]

I think what @ginnyw is saying is that the Inquest will return a cause of death of accidental drowning and this verdict will disappoint those who are seeking an alternative verdict.

Yes, that's exactly what I was saying. And even if there is a verdict of accidental drowning a lot of those people who are out to seek some sort of 'justice' for NB will say that there's a police cover-up and it's actually foul play. JMO.

 

[WAWAW]

I'm not sure how they can determine Accidental Death by drowning.
If this occurred at the bench then presumably she was concussed after falling, but not sure you could identify definitively this was the cause as opposed to entering the water following an altercation in that area.
I'm hopeful the Fitbit has been found and data has been extracted that can provide some answers but when it comes down to it I'm not sure we'll ever be certain of the truth sadly.

 

[Nikynoo]

I have a feeling that the Coroner will be very, very precise with their wording.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Yes, that's exactly what I was saying. And even if there is a verdict of accidental drowning a lot of those people who are out to seek some sort of 'justice' for NB will say that there's a police cover-up and it's actually foul play. JMO.

I see. Well best wait until the report is published. Personally I wouldn't rule out foul play not because I'm some strange conspiracy theorist but I don't see how anyone can say what happened to poor N in the circumstances, unless there's some very clear evidence (which there may be).

 

[ginnyw]

I see. Well best wait until the report is published. Personally I wouldn't rule out foul play not because I'm some strange conspiracy theorist but I don't see how anyone can say what happened to poor N in the circumstances, unless there's some very clear evidence (which there may be).

Well, there have been no arrests of a third party and no declaring this as a criminal investigation, so that narrows it down and rules out foul play. Guess we'll find out a bit more in June.

 

[DianaWW]

Wouldn’t the police still be investigating if they thought there was a criminal element? But they’re not. They’ve handed everything over to the coroner. I believe this suggests the cause of death will either be accidental drowning or suicide. IMO it was an accident, but yes, we’ll know more in June. JMO.

 

[29 Acacia Road]

I think the inquest will say it was an accidental death or an 'open/narrative' verdict. Even if it was a suicide, there usually has to be strong evidence that the person definitely intended to take their life right at the moment they died.

A good example of this would be the footballer (soccer player for our friends across the pond) Gary Speed, given his actions that night you probably have expected the coroner to rule it was suicide, but the coroner could not be certain that Gary wasn't expecting to be found and was therefore hoping someone would help him.

 

[WAWAW]

I'm curious about what Insurance companies use for their basis on whether or not to pay out, if the policy has a suicide clause in it. I've no idea if one is relevant here(nor do I need to know) but I can see why they'd be very interested in the decision