GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #31

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We may never find out the real motives of this mass murderer of babies. It may be that she's just plain evil, a monster. I'm glad that she will be put away forever, without chance of parole.

We don’t know that as yet, sentencing isn’t till Monday. But it’s extremely likely.
True, we cannot say for sure but it's basically a foregone conclusion. The statutory sentencing procedure seems to provide little room for manoeuvre in that regard.

I think the sentencing remarks will closely follow those made in respect of Wayne Couzens; abuse of trust, privileged position of power, etc.
 
I've seen people on here saying she enjoyed killing. I don't think that's necessarily the case. It could have been some kind of sick compulsion, with no enjoyment involved.

Sorry I've not caught up with all the posts yet so someone may have already said this, but her actions after the killings makes me think she enjoyed it IMO. The souvenirs and the Facebook searches etc.
 
I have wondered if it was a closed court room with only authorised individuals allowed to attend. JMO
I think that’s highly likely. The early verdicts may even have been given to the judge in chambers rather than in the courtroom. JMO
 
I think that’s highly likely. The early verdicts may even have been given to the judge in chambers rather than in the courtroom. JMO
The press were aware, as they’ve reported. They also reported the reactions of the parents, and of Lucy’s parents as the verdicts were read. So they were read out in court.
 
Well, like I say, I’m not blaming her mother, or saying she shouldn’t support her child. Just saying I can’t see any indication why I should feel sorry for her right now.

The fact of her daughter being convicted for murder doesn’t automatically make me feel sorry for Lucy Letby’s (or any other killer’s) family in and of itself, because I have no idea of what has gone on before or after the crimes as between the family and the killer. I’m not saying I condemn them either, but I don’t automatically go to sympathy the way I do the victims’ families.

I'm the opposite. I'll continue to feel total sympathy and sadness for them unless there's a reason not to.
 
It's interesting to ponder on how long parents are responsible for their child's behaviour. If you bring them up "normally," it seems unfair that you would be held responsible for their actions as autonomous adults.

And I don't think it's completely unnatural for a mum to believe in her child, if she's had no previous reason not to.
I think that some people are being overly harsh as regards the parents. People aren't computers and I fail to understand how anyone expects them to instantly switch to "yeah, she did it and we disown her" the instant the verdicts are in.

It must be incredibly hard for them.
 
Good point. On TV the woman above said that she had 6 miscarriages prior to that point. So very vulnerable. JMO
I am so happy that her little one survived his attack. What a nightmare. She must have been on pins and needles waiting for the deliberations to end. She had plenty of reason to believe in LL's guilt.
 
I think that some people are being overly harsh as regards the parents. People aren't computers and I fail to understand how anyone expects them to instantly switch to "yeah, she did it and we disown her" the instant the verdicts are in.

It must be incredibly hard for them.
It is not instantly. It's been 8 years. They had 8 years to try and process this.

I think the first few years there would be uncertainty and denial for sure. But they sat in court every day for 10 months and heard all of the evidence first hand. So it is weird that Mom would try and say 'arrest me, I did it" when it is so obviously impossible for that to be true. It seemed disingenuous and delusional, in my opinion. JMO
 
Phew!
Im slowly catching on the thread, I don't want to miss a single post haha

Re parents

Isn't it STRANGE that LL refused to enter to hear verdicts AFTER her mother's outburst in Court???

Very telling IMO.

Unfortunately, monsters are usually created during childhood, as I sometimes wrote in these threads.

OK, back to reading posts

JMO
What did it tell you, Dotta?
 
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Sorry I've not caught up with all the posts yet so someone may have already said this, but her actions after the killings makes me think she enjoyed it IMO. The souvenirs and the Facebook searches etc.
I think she enjoyed the attention but i think that there was some bizarre compulsion going on with her. I'm not sure that that compulsion was purely related to pleasure or the attention but something deeper. I can't really explain it but I think I've learned something about certain compulsive behaviour in relation to someone close to me over recent weeks (nothing murdery) and I dont think that compulsions are always pleasure or thrill related.
 
What did it tell you, Dotta?
Hmmm...
Just My Opinion ;)

- Absolutely unhealthy relationship between an ADULT daughter and parents
- Coddling, "helicopter parents" creating a "cripple" unable to cope with life's difficulties and problems, setting the child for failure in the future

Etc, etc
You could write a book really

JMO
 
Today is the first day I’ve ever heard Lucy’s voice. She’s so softly spoken, intelligent. She could have had a tremendous, loving life. What went wrong?
What went wrong?
Maybe her compulsions? Her intense urges may have gotten the best of her and taken over. The gentle, calm soft exterior may have been an act, used to cover her aggressive internal drive for control and chaos.

We saw glimpses of what was being hidden by statements such as 'He's not leaving here alive, is he?' OR. " You've had a lot of time with him, do you want to place him here in the basket?' ---"but he's not dead yet" answers the shocked mum.
 
Feeling so very sombre this evening. Too many thoughts and emotions. Mainly sadness and anger.

This is one of the most horrific and terrifying cases our country has ever seen. Not just a nurse but a neonatal nurse, the amount of trust parents have to put into these nurses is beyond measure. I practically had to be dragged away from my baby every night because I hated leaving her there to be looked after by strangers. You’ve just given birth, your hormones are going crazy, you’re up on the ward full of other mums with their babies crying, family and friends coming in with balloons and taking pictures. I’ll never forget being discharged while my daughter was still in neonatal walking out the doors without her and seeing other parents leaving carrying their babies cosy in car seats. I sobbed all the way home.

Now I think of those parents who never got to take their baby home. Had to go back and pack away the Moses basket, the clothes, the nappies, the car seat. When your baby is in neonatal the only thing you have to look forward to is your baby coming home, you hope and pray for that day and it’s all you focus on. LL ripped that hope from so many parents. She stamped all over their hearts, betrayed their trust in the worst way possible, abused her position as someone trusted to care for these vulnerable little babies, she revelled in every single moment.

She excitedly text colleagues wanting them all to know about the drama we now know she’d caused. She pretended to think it was ‘awful’, pretended to feel sorry for the parents, spoke about dads being on the floor screaming. She looked into parents eyes and said she was sorry for their loss, she made memory boxes and dressed their tiny little bodies, she gloated about having given one victim her first bath. She portrayed herself as a hardworking, devoted, career driven nurse. She pretended to care. She stole handover notes so she’d always remember parents names, she kept them as trophies, she searched for parents on Facebook on Christmas Day hoping to see a ‘missing you at Christmas’ post so she could enjoy seeing the heartache she’d caused. She wrote a sympathy card with hollow empty words. She told bereaved parents ‘you’ve had long enough now put him in here’ or (words to that effect) as they cradled their dying child.

She hovered around that unit like the grim reaper. And now her evil house of cards has collapsed around her she can’t even face the music in court, she can’t even come up to hear her fate, face the parents, face her parents. She wants complete power and control, and because she’s lost it in every other aspect, the only control she has left is denying her victims parents the chance to physically see her get sentenced and taken away as a convicted multiple murderer.

I have never felt so much total disdain and hatred for an individual in my life. The betrayal is horrifying, the level of calculation and deceit is terrifying. Plain boring ‘nice’ Nurse Lucy - The most prolific child killer of recent times, the only neonatal serial killer in British history. I hope she is haunted forever.

There’s a lump in my throat that just won’t go away. Even though we felt it coming at some point, the reality is really sinking in and it’s so difficult to fathom that anyone could do this but she said it herself ‘I AM EVIL I DID THIS’ - yes she did and now the world knows it too.

This is all JMO and IMOO
Agree with all of the above. And as she was looking up some of the Facebook posts and sending some of those texts, her window was overlooking the memorial garden and grave sites of deceased infants. No one can convince me that was a random coincidence. JMO
 
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