GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #32

[Marantz4250b]

I wonder if we will ever see the interrogation tapes.

A small part of one has already been released.

 

[Parker Knoll]

A 24 hrs in police custody on this would be utterly fascinating.

 

[katydid23]

Really???

I have never heard this info

It's way upthread somewhere but I didnt see a link to a source for it. So I am unclear where it came from. Anyone know?

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

We can speculate in the reasons for killing / harming the babies and professionals can give the opinions but the only way we'll know for sure why she acted this way is if she talks. Does anyone think she may do so in the future?

Sadly no. They never do. Jeffrey Dahmer went down in notable history for being very open and honest with LE, his interviewers / psychologists and psychiatrists. In this regard he was an exception.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

You don’t think his wife ever figured it out? He may even have come clean with her, out of guilt, or a desire to save his marriage? Just thinking out loud here.

She probably knows because likely he'd have been triangulating his poor wife who was probably older than LL and was mothering two children. He probably would deny an affair but would claim there's this young nurse LL who I'm 'helping' because she's 'struggling'. That's what these sort of guys do. IMO MOO

 

[Dotta]

"The medical evidence that finally caught LL"

The medical evidence that finally caught Lucy Letby

The case against nurse Lucy Letby - who was today found guilty at Manchester Crown Court - hinged on the medical evidence.

www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org

 

[Tortoise]

She states: "I've spent ten months in the presence of Lucy Letby."

I only know from copying over the daily updates that she wasn't there most days, so didn't hear all the evidence.

It's true that she has seen her over a period spanning ten months.

IMO

 

[Officer Dibble]

Yes, the morning after that text. Also when she texted she'd be watching those triplet boys 'like a hawk.' Which is exactly how she watched them. JMO

That is chilling. The reality of this has finally hit me. JMO

 

[Honeybirdette]

There’s a few people in here and other forums where I follow the case who have been going to the trial and waiting for the verdicts.

Does anyone know if they will have knew about the partial verdicts or were they closed hearings?
I’m quite shocked none of it was leaked tbh. The first guilty murders came back on the 8th august.. more on the 11th. I can understand the media. But I know what facebook/Reddit/tattle can be like. I’m impressed no one leaked a thing!

 

[Dotta]

I can understand the media. But I know what facebook/Reddit/tattle can be like. I’m impressed no one leaked a thing!

Nobody fancies being thrown into jail is my guess

 

[Nali87]

Nobody fancies being thrown into jail is my guess

Also I wouldn’t want causing a mistrial on my conscience even though I love sharing a good scoop!

 

[kittythehare]

Post number 952
It was not my link

Thanks , I just read it.

What I learned about Lucy Letby after 10 months in court

The nurse was questioned for nearly 60 hours - the BBC's Judith Moritz watched it all.

www.bbc.com

Unfathomable even at close quarters.
I agree.

I wonder how she'll cope in prison?
probably tantrum after tantrum about absolutely everything.

It would be tempting to suggest she dissociated while she was killing but I don't believe she did unless she maintained the dissociation in the months following when she stalked the families on social media.

I think I'll just stop trying to figure her out.
She was enabled and that is all too clear and it's time to appropriate that blame where it belongs.

She could not have done it otherwise.
i've worked in very big hospitals and small hospitals and clinics and if the same nurse was calling emergency more than once, everybody would know and she or he would be watched..

This whole lack of responsibility is jaw breaking.

Revealed: How trust execs resisted concerns over Letby

Trust bosses questioned the integrity of doctors who first raised concerns about a nurse who has now been convicted of murdering seven babies, and forced the medics to apologise to her, an HSJ investigation has established.

www.hsj.co.uk

 

[Marantz4250b]

A 24 hrs in police custody on this would be utterly fascinating.

There must be something in the works, surely?

 

[cuecard]

I'm not sure if you can infantilise yourself but you make a good point and maybe its possible.

I’m not sure she would even be aware it would come across that way. It will be interesting to hear - if we do - about the dynamic her and her parents had growing up etc.

 

[Officer Dibble]

Indeed, the media are focusing in on the affair and doc, as if that's the only motive. I guess it makes a headline for them.

IMO it's because they can't dig up any dirt on her past so this is the best they, the media, can do.

 

[Officer Dibble]

I didn't know that Baby C's mother was a GP

Full timeline of horrific crimes Lucy Letby committed

Beginning with her enrolment as an 18-year-old student nurse, MailOnline details the horrific crimes Lucy Letby committed in 'plain sight' of colleagues who trusted her as one of their own.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Edited to add, this text creeps me out because she is pointing out that someone else was in charge of the baby!

• 8.57am: Letby again: 'Baby C is the little 800g baby, went off very suddenly, Sophie was looking after him. I know it happens but it's still so sad & cruel isn't it x'…

Also edited to add this link because now I'm finally starting to take on board what several of you have been saying in this thread. Factitious disorder imposed on self - Wikipedia

All of the above is JMO MOO

 

[Tortoise]

A small part of one has already been released.

I wondered if they're keeping most back in case there is a retrial for the no-verdict charges.

 

[Dotta]

IMO it's because they can't dig up any dirt on her past so this is the best they, the media, can do.

I see it differently.

He was a doctor in this hospital.
He gave her confidential info that could compromise investigation against her.

Their affair was embedded into the tragedy of VICTIMS!!!

He still saw her, went on trips with her when she was supended.

Media aren't "bad guys" here!

JMO

 

[Tortoise]

That's what I think. The insulin cases were generally considered the strongest. I'd say someone on the jury was a stickler for standards of evidence and everything lesser than the insulin cases didn't meet that standard for them.

I have no idea how it works in the UK but its a shame there was no way for some of these Attempted Murder cases to come down to assault, grievous bodily harm, or something else similar. I can understand those decisions, tbh. Sometimes she really might just have wanted to hurt them - that's not attempted murder. It should bloody well be a crime, and she's essentially gotten away with those because there was no alternative or lesser charge.

Oh well. At least she'll be going away for a long time - hopefully forever.

Looking at the attempted murder charges she was found guilty of -

B, F, G (1st two attempts), L, M, N (1st attempt)

and the ones she was found not guilty of -

G (3rd alleged attempt) and H (1st alleged attempt)

and the ones they couldn't reach a verdict on -

H (2nd alleged attempt), J, K, N (2nd and 3rd alleged attempts) and Q

- I don't think it was a matter of not understanding her intent that caused uncertainty for the jurors, but a matter of a sufficient number of them not being sure that she caused the event. So I don't think a lesser charge would have resulted in a different outcome.

JMO

 

[Cuko]

Some years ago I was a volunteer for a well known suicidal/distress helpline and visited a number of prisons as part of that work. A women’s prison will be full of mothers who love and miss their own children, and I cannot see LL faring well in their company. I wonder if she will be held in isolation.