iamshadow21
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Counting the bricks in the walls of her cell.I wonder what she is doing today?
MOO
Counting the bricks in the walls of her cell.I wonder what she is doing today?
Convicted murderers should be compelled to listen to the impact statements of their victims‘ families. Those statements from the babies’ families are so raw and painful and powerful.
There is also some difference in the way US courts have handled requiring convicted criminals to be present for victim impact statements and sentencing. Jeffrey Willis, convicted in the state of Michigan of the murders of Jessica Heeringa and Rebekah Bletsch, refused to attend his sentencing as was his legal right. To make sure he listened to the family statements, his transport to prison included hours of the recorded statements and sentencing played during his ride into his prison incarceration.
This is what LL should be subject to.
I bet they torture themselves with that thought every single day. I watched the interviews with them and they are broken. They had a hunch at the time, but very little to back it up. They needed backing from management and the board if they had a chance of being taken seriously. The management are the ones that refused to investigate properly, refused to escalate their concerns, and misled the board to try and brush everything under the carpet. If we have to blame anyone, other than the actual murderer, let's start with them. JMO.We have no idea what would have happened if they had blown the whistle after Baby D, as they ought to have done.
Exactly!
I see that Consultants are still being bashed here by some who fiercely defended LL even when evidence was shown in the trial.
Not to metion experts being vilified.
I am not taking away any blame from Letby, or the management (who should be prosecuted). But the consultants are not heroes.I bet they torture themselves with that thought every single day. I watched the interviews with them and they are broken. They had a hunch at the time, but very little to back it up. They needed backing from management and the board if they had a chance of being taken seriously. The management are the ones that refused to investigate properly, refused to escalate their concerns, and misled the board to try and brush everything under the carpet. If we have to blame anyone, other than the actual murderer, let's start with them. JMO.
Probably relishing the fact that we can't stop talking about herI wonder what she is doing today?
Well she can be as studious as she wants to be there in her study of bricks. She has plenty of time for it. I’m sure she will know each and everyone before long, hell I think she will probably name them and talk to them before long. Two favourites “tigger and smudge”.Counting the bricks in the walls of her cell.
MOO
When a system kills who it's meant to safeguard, it's incredibly depressing. Like Gabriel Fernandez, where you have his poor teacher making call after call reporting his horrendous injuries in his final months, when you have a random security guard at a welfare office who saw Gabriel's injuries risking his job to report when he was told not to, and the social workers who could have saved his life just closed out and round filed everything. I still think they should have gone to trial. Charging them alongside Gabriel's killers was the right call. And charging these management people who were six days away from putting Letby back on the ward with vulnerable babies may be the right call, here. Because of their obsession with the image of the hospital and placating Letby, babies died, and at least three babies were left with permanent injuries. Baby G, who is blind and profoundly physically disabled, Baby F, who has severe learning disabilities and is nonspeaking, and Baby N, who struggles to play, eat and brush his teeth without gagging.I bet they torture themselves with that thought every single day. I watched the interviews with them and they are broken. They had a hunch at the time, but very little to back it up. They needed backing from management and the board if they had a chance of being taken seriously. The management are the ones that refused to investigate properly, refused to escalate their concerns, and misled the board to try and brush everything under the carpet. If we have to blame anyone, other than the actual murderer, let's start with them. JMO.
I don’t think she’s the kind of person to be indifferent to others opinions on her. If being accused of the crimes was the worst thing for her it’s not the fact she did it that bothers her it’s because she was caught.Probably relishing the fact that we can't stop talking about her![]()
I wonder about this.Probably relishing the fact that we can't stop talking about her![]()
Nothing stopped them. I cannot get behind these consultants being put on a pedestal. If SEVEN of them had suspicions why on earth were they not down the police station immediately. “We’ve tried, but management..” doesn’t cut it when you’re dealing with babies being killed.
im exactly the same. The information as it was presented gave us absolutely no idea as to what was going on. I can’t believe it was a broadly thought thing. Other nurses did used to call her “the angel of death” etc. Yeh though I as well found it difficult to believe at the time and that’s why I didn’t believe it. The turNing point for me was when Baby E really sunk in Which was late in the evidence. Was probably the strongest of cases imo. Also i Was waiting wrongly for the defence to really make a strong defence which imo didn’t happen. In the whole thing I think he scored some minor concessions from the prosecution which might be a few pebbles off a mountain. I said it before and I’ll say it again, I don’t know why he took the case.I’ll bite here. I played devils advocate during this trial because the idea that a nurse was able to kill children for (at least) an entire year, in plain sight, while the people around her were so suspicious of her but chose not to record those suspicions or even the issues which caused the suspicions (eg Baby K’s collapse, the fleeting rashes etc) was so completely incredibly unbelievable to me that I struggled to accept it was in any way possible or probable.
What now transpires is that not only DID that actually happen, but it is so much worse than previously imagined.
Even if I were to accept that the consultants could not gather enough evidence to go to the police prior to June 2016, they still chose not to do it even when Ian Harvey decided to call the royal college in instead of the police. They still chose not to whistleblow.
It’s the bystander effect, with tragic consequences.
Her conviction that something was badly wrong at COCH and her actions to sleuth it herself left me in awe. I had no idea until her statement that any of the parents had tried to investigate their child's death or attempted murder themselves. Unbeknownst to her, she and the police were investigating in parallel. It must have been excruciating for them that they couldn't tell her until the point of arrest that they were there, that they were going to take that burden from her and take it all the way to criminal court.This is horrendous. Baby Ds mother asked for her baby’s medical notes after her baby died and wanted to call the police.. her report is so sad (as are the others) but this is worth a read, managements point of view in baby Ds case in the article..
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Lucy Letby: Mother of murdered baby still hasn’t declared child’s death - 'We wanted justice'
The mother of 'Child D' said only now can she receive an official cause of death for her child, murdered by the killer nurse.www.aol.co.uk
I don't think she will be in solitary confinement for the rest of her life.Being locked in a small room in solitary, without hope and for the rest of life is like being buried alive IMO.
But then, as a saying goes:
"We are all blacksmiths of our Fate"
I totally agree that management should face charges. I just can't blame the consultants. If not for them, she would have been back on the ward and there'd have been more victims. I'm not saying they're heroes, and I'm sure they wished they acted sooner. But I just can't find it in me, to put any blame on them.When a system kills who it's meant to safeguard, it's incredibly depressing. Like Gabriel Fernandez, where you have his poor teacher making call after call reporting his horrendous injuries in his final months, when you have a random security guard at a welfare office who saw Gabriel's injuries risking his job to report when he was told not to, and the social workers who could have saved his life just closed out and round filed everything. I still think they should have gone to trial. Charging them alongside Gabriel's killers was the right call. And charging these management people who were six days away from putting Letby back on the ward with vulnerable babies may be the right call, here. Because of their obsession with the image of the hospital and placating Letby, babies died, and at least three babies were left with permanent injuries. Baby G, who is blind and profoundly physically disabled, Baby F, who has severe learning disabilities and is nonspeaking, and Baby N, who struggles to play, eat and brush his teeth without gagging.
MOO
I agree.I bet they torture themselves with that thought every single day. I watched the interviews with them and they are broken. They had a hunch at the time, but very little to back it up. They needed backing from management and the board if they had a chance of being taken seriously. The management are the ones that refused to investigate properly, refused to escalate their concerns, and misled the board to try and brush everything under the carpet. If we have to blame anyone, other than the actual murderer, let's start with them. JMO.