UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #34

[katydid23]

Lucy Letby supporters launch defence fund appeal for child killer nurse

Supporters of serial killer Lucy Letby have launched an appeal to fund her defence calling the nurse’s trial the “greatest miscarriage of justice that the UK has ever witnessed”.

www.standard.co.uk

Ms Adams uses the site to criticise the reliability of the prosecution’s evidence that high insulin levels detected in two babies showed they were deliberately injected.

However, Letby’s legal team did not challenge the fact babies were injected with insulin, instead denying it was her that administered the fatal injections

Donations to the American website are not currently open but there are options to join the cause with a donation link saying “coming soon”.

 

[cottonweaver]

It's quoted in my post.

Really sorry
I hadn't noticed the words ' to police' at the top. Reading too quickly

 

[cottonweaver]

Ms Adams uses the site to criticise the reliability of the prosecution’s evidence that high insulin levels detected in two babies showed they were deliberately injected.

However, Letby’s legal team did not challenge the fact babies were injected with insulin, instead denying it was her that administered the fatal injections

Donations to the American website are not currently open but there are options to join the cause with a donation link saying “coming soon”.

so this small group of contrarians ( or cranks to be blunter) have now had free publicity on three UK news websites. That's bound to help

 

[Sweeper2000]

If they were still under police investigation I expect there was a ruling that they not be referred to by either side. Myers wouldn't be allowed to argue they weren't caused by Letby if there is a possibility of future charges, because it could prejudice the jury. IMO

I thought something like that. would explain the noticeable lack of anything backing the claims of vast hospital failings. Props to the plumber. substantial bits of information missing ie deaths per annum and I think you are probably right Really would explain why the total number was missing.

I really would have thought they would have had conclusions about those cases by now but interesting to think of.

 

[marynnu]

so this small group of contrarians ( or cranks to be blunter) have now had free publicity on three UK news websites. That's bound to help

Not to worry, the general opinion here about the USA poking its nose into our business (justified ir not) might save the day.

 

[cottonweaver]

Not to worry, the general opinion here about the USA poking its nose into our business (justified ir not) might save the day.

AFAIK most of those involved are British citizens
( Fenton, Mclachlan. Gill is a Brit citizen living in Netherlands)

 

[marynnu]

AFAIK most of those involved are British citizens
( Fenton, Mclachlan. Gill is a Brit citizen living in Netherlands)

Oh dear. I was only thinking of the science on trial woman. Still, the opinion of this lot doesn"t matter at the end of the day.

 

[cottonweaver]

Oh dear. I was only thinking of the science on trial woman. Still, the opinion of this lot doesn"t matter at the end of the day.

totally agree but it's for clicks. ( Media revenue, Letby-related.) I just hope none of the parents are aware.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Oh dear. I was only thinking of the science on trial woman. Still, the opinion of this lot doesn"t matter at the end of the day.

You might hope so but doesn’t it only take 25k signatures to get something mentioNed in parliament or something.?

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[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Did they check her computer and phone to see what she was searching for?

Bound to have but they didn't tell us what sort of things she was searching or browsing. Having said that, the lead detective described her life as 'beige' IIRC

 

[dotr]

Unsure if already posted or not..

Full Documentary​

Aug 30 '23
''How could someone who looks so innocent be so evil? Instead of bringing babies into the world, Lucy Letby murdered them. In a 7 News Spotlight special investigation, for the first time, why did she do it? And what it took to catch her out. Channel 7’s 7NEWS Spotlight's unsettling investigation that peels back the layers on Lucy Letby, a neonatal nurse turned serial killer. Renowned investigative journalist Michael Usher leads this chilling probe.''

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

One of our members enquired about sub judice now that the trial is over, so we're answering here for everyone's information.

We no longer have to worry about sub judice because, in the event there is an appeal, they are usually heard by very senior judges who are not likely to be influenced by the media.

 

[iamshadow21]

ADMIN NOTE:

One of our members enquired about sub judice now that the trial is over, so we're answering here for everyone's information.

We no longer have to worry about sub judice because, in the event there is an appeal, they are usually heard by very senior judges who are not likely to be influenced by the media.

Please, can I just ask, what about the charges that returned no verdict? I have been trying to adhere to sub judice there still, because there hasn't been a verdict there, and I didn't want to be in the wrong.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Please, can I just ask, what about the charges that returned no verdict? I have been trying to adhere to sub judice there still, because there hasn't been a verdict there, and I didn't want to be in the wrong.

There is nothing to be concerned about as there is no court proceeding which can be undermined.

The cases which returned no verdict are officially over unless the prosecution decides to retry them.

 

[LadyL]

How deluded one must be not to realize that such killing spree had to draw attention and create suspicions.

Did this criminal think she could carry on murdering patients indefinitely?

She seemed to be oblivious of reality surrounding her.

JMO

it's baffling ... she must've thought everyone surrounding her was stupid?

 

[LadyL]

Why are the doctors called 'consultants'? A consultant is usually an expert brought into or 'consulted' with on a special project. But these 'consultants' just seem like normal doctors?

 

[Tortoise]

I thought something like that. would explain the noticeable lack of anything backing the claims of vast hospital failings. Props to the plumber. substantial bits of information missing ie deaths per annum and I think you are probably right Really would explain why the total number was missing.

I really would have thought they would have had conclusions about those cases by now but interesting to think of.

What's interesting about the other six deaths is that they fill out the schedule of original charges, where there were gaps in the year.

So, the schedule of all 13 deaths looks like this -

Jun 2015 - 3 (A, C, D)
Jul to Oct 2015 - 4 (E, I + 2) (one of them, referred to in the media as baby M, in Sep)
Nov to Dec 2015 - 1
Jan to Feb 2016 - 2 (one could be K?)
Mar to Jun 2016 - 3 (O, P + 1)

 

[marynnu]

Why are the doctors called 'consultants'? A consultant is usually an expert brought into or 'consulted' with on a special project. But these 'consultants' just seem like normal doctors?

It's just the top level a doctor can reach after doing all their specialist training. It does in many ways mean a consultant as in 'expert'. The day-to-day medical care & decision-making is usually the responsibility of junior doctors, certainly on NNUs. Consultants do ward rounds, otherwise they generally only appear when the other doctors need help & advice.

 

[ColourPurple]

What's interesting about the other six deaths is that they fill out the schedule of original charges, where there were gaps in the year.

So, the schedule of all 13 deaths looks like this -

Jun 2015 - 3 (A, C, D)
Jul to Oct 2015 - 4 (E, I + 2) (one of them, referred to in the media as baby M, in Sep)
Nov to Dec 2015 - 1
Jan to Feb 2016 - 2 (one could be K?)
Mar to Jun 2016 - 3 (O, P + 1)

Re the extra death in March to June 2016. Do you remember the wording in one of the reports (may have been Chester Standard) when discussing O, P and Q where it made reference to another baby , who I think may have been crashing around the same time? I think the baby was mentioned in LL's and Doc Chocs texts but could be wrong. I didn't draw attention to it at the time because of sub judice rules.

 

[Tortoise]

Re the extra death in March to June 2016. Do you remember the wording in one of the reports (may have been Chester Standard) when discussing O, P and Q where it made reference to another baby , who I think may have been crashing around the same time? I think the baby was mentioned in LL's and Doc Chocs texts but could be wrong. I didn't draw attention to it at the time because of sub judice rules.

25 Jun 2016
10.48pm

LL: Do I need to be worried about what Dr Gibbs was asking?

Doc. No. He was asking to make sure that normal procedures were being carried out. What exactly did he ask?

LL: I walked into equipment room, he was asking Mary who was present in room and how quickly someone had gone to him as I wasn't in the room. He asked who was there, I said I had popped out of room but Mary was in room and Minna at the desk.

Doc: All he was doing was checking that there wasn't a delay and that a room had been left empty. Was he HDU level because of uvc? There is nothing to worry about.

LL: Ok. Was worried because I wasn't with him at time, but Mary was in room and Minna outside, I had [designated baby who was not Child Q] in 1. ITU because of uvc

Doc: You can't be with two babies in different nurseries at the same time, let alone predict when they're going to crash.

LL: I know, and I didn't leave him on his own. They both knew I was leaving the room. Feel better now

Doc: Nobody has accused you of neglecting a baby or causing a deterioration.

LL: I know. Just worry I haven't done enough

Doc: How?

11.21pm

LL: We've lost 2 babies I was caring for and now this happened today. Makes you think 'am I missing something/good enough'

11.25pm

Doc: Lucy, if anyone knows how hard you've worked over the last three days it's me. The standard of care delivered is tertiary nicu level. if *anybody* says anything to you about not being good enough or performing adequately I want you to promise me that you'll give my details to provide a statement. I don't care who it is and I don't care if I've left the trust. Promise?

LL: Well, I sincerely hope I won't ever be needing a statement but thank you, I promise

Doc: And I don't either. You'll know that the coch nicu mortality rate is a bit higher than the network average. It makes people (consultants) look at trends and patterns. That may have been why Dr G came to ask. As for the self-doubt - you asked me this morning did I dream because I was worried about having missed something? No, and I don't think you did either. In fact for [another baby] you knew he was unwell and flagged it up immediately. I don't know the beginning of the [a separate baby] story because I arrived after the bleep. You didn't miss anything that I would expect an experienced itu trained nurse to spot. From a resus point of view you were flawless. It's why I am so happy to work with you. You don't flap, you give perfectly sensible suggestions and things run seamlessly. (You must be good Rackham said so (seldom praises)). No more doubt - it's not you, it's the babies. I don't know what happened to [Child O] and [Child P], and accept that the pm may not give any useful answers. I do wonder if they may have had adenovirus - it's terrible in neonates / perinates.
[Child Q] is different. His behaviour is more bacterial (tachy, temp, reduced uo)
I wouldn't be surprised if his bc comes back positive.

LL: Thanks, really appreciate you saying that. So relieved that it's you who has been there throughout.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Friday, March 31