UK UK - Sarah Everard, 33, London - Clapham Common area, 3 March 2021 *Arrests* #6

[Mersault]

EBM




I think i maybe read it slightly differently. (JMO).

Maybe naively, but let’s give him the benefit of the doubt (even if he is not talking at the moment).
- He has nefarious sexually motivated intentions. (Indicated by possible indecent exposure and possibly other events that have not yet been discovered or processed).
- He is escalating but not necessarily with an intention to kill - he is serving police officer with some degree of vetting so (again naively) would like to think he is not a calculated psychopath (yet).
- He is as frustrated as the rest of us by lockdown so goes out to get his “kicks” by attempting to pick up a young woman. He doesn’t use his warrant card at that stage because he actually doesn’t have a kill intention and is expecting to be able to let her go, so wouldn’t risk being identified as such. He maybe uses a false cry for help (he is the father of 2 young children, maybe plays up fatherly instincts and asks for her help, or he just rapidly overpowers her without saying anything). Bundles her into the car (child and window locks the back). Has intentions of some sort of assault BUT (here is where I maybe trying to write SE as the extremely tragic but feisty hero of this story) SHE FIGHTS back. At this point he panics and does something stupid.
- And now things are suddenly FUBAR, he can’t leave her there, she’ll be found quickly in central london so drives her to Kent. He is a serving police officer, there will be evidence on her. So he dumps the body under cover of darkness and goes home.
- But, he knows it might only be a matter of time before she is discovered in tact, and he can’t “wash” her of potential traces of DNA.
- So he then goes back the subsequent night (or maybe more recently) and does what by then he thinks is is best option which is destroy ALL the evidence (fire?).
- But these subsequent movements etc are also caused on ANPR and the net has closed around him.
- he could still be staying silent on the basis that unless they can identify her, everything else is circumstantial (“so what I was in central london, I work there”, “so what I drove near here I went for a nighttime walk to clear my head”, “so what a body was found - could be anyone, quite a common body dumping ground”. While the police don’t appear to be able to identify her immediately, once they do it seems to me to be over for him - since they could only have found her because HIS suspicious movements led them there (can you see a jury believing “yes I was caught on CCTV in the exact vicinity of SE going missing in London and she turned up dead at a spot recently visited by me - but that is all coincidence). I would imagine the police were confident enough that what they found were human remains that were perhaps identifiable as having been placed there/tampered with, fairly recently. But I hope to god they DO manage to identify her (mitochondrial DNA?) because if not, then the above COULD work for him.

The alternative is that he is an arrogant psychopath who planned all this including the method of body disposal (I’ve seen mention of some documentary on Netflix about being able to essentially “cremate” a body with a bonfire hot enough to leave no personal trace) - could this have been massively, methodically planned - yes.

But for Sarah’s sake, and his children’s sake, I really, really, really hope it was the former. Unless he talks we might ever know.

(And that is also truly horrifying)

All the above pure speculation, but it makes me feel safer to imagine stupid/pathetic/impulsive/ disgusting men roam the streets rather than psychotic men.

I can believe this version too. I think he intended to indecently expose himself to her, as he’d done to someone else earlier than night and probably many times before. As a serving policeman, he’d know leaving DNA on anyone would be a serious downfall. SE didn’t react as he expected - either started to shout or took a photo, saying she’d report him (emboldened by wine and a passion for women’s rights). She was said to be a lovely woman, and I think she would have behaved assertively when she knew she was in the right. He panicked, and dragged her into darkness where he strangled her, then brought his car to discreetly collect her body.

At least in this version, her suffering ended quickly. I don’t think it was a premeditated abduction as if so, he’d have chosen somewhere quieter and someone less likely to be missed. I do think he’d chosen the dark, fairly busy location to expose himself.

My thoughts are with Sarah’s friends and family and I hope for their sake, and WC’s children’s, that he’s cooperating with the enquiry.

 

[Newthoughts]

If the POI has used his warrant card/ police uniform to convince SE to get in a car - then his plan must have been murder all along. As this would have left him easily identifiable.

This seems a huge escalation from the only other crime we know he’s accused of, flashing.

Which means either there are still other crimes to be found, his usual MO of flashing went wrong, or he planned to kill.

Not necessarily an unknown escalation. Pawel Relowizc who has recently been convicted of the murder of Libby Squires was a just a flasher. He did leave clues in the form of DNA all over the place which a Police Officer might not do knowing their DNA would be on a database, but he didn't do anything else until that night either.

One thing that was highlighted by that case was that Relowizc got away with it for years because such crimes aren't taken seriously at all by overstretched police forces. Until it's too late.

Covid lockdown has made us all more jumpy and police are asking people why they're out so that could have been a factor?

 

[SpursGyal]

IF the hire car that’s being reported is in fact true, then it must be a separate car to the ones taken yesterday.

Some members found the MOT and mileage history, For me that makes them their family cars, as normally lease cars you get from new for 3 years then decide to buy or get another lease.

 

[jk1874]

She hasn't bent the rules. She's perfectly in her right to visit a friend. I do the same thing right now. And if I were stopped I would say I was in my bubble.

More likely to be "are you ok, I'm a police officer" badge shown, trust gained, possible lift. I agree there's nothing he could have said in terms of lockdown rules, because she did nothing wrong.

 

[Biadee]

In terms of the wife, assisting an offender could be a wide range of things, some very much more serious than others. She may have had no idea what he was suspected of and given him a false alibi, or she may have been fully in on it and helped to dispose of evidence - we simply don’t know.

tactically it may help the police to arrest her. Maybe she will be more willing to open up to them to save her own skin (not with immunity deals or whatever which aren’t really a thing but to co-operate and downplay her involvement), but even if she goes no comment now, if she’s charged she will likely need to give evidence in her own defence at their trial.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Met Commissioner Cressida Dick sought to reassure the public in the wake of Wednesday’s developments, saying “it is thankfully incredibly rare for a woman to be abducted from our streets”.

She added: “But I completely understand that despite this, women in London and the wider public – particularly those in the area where Sarah went missing – will be worried and may well be feeling scared.”

She said people living around Clapham and Tulse Hill could expect to see increased patrols in the area.

A vigil titled “Reclaim these streets” has been organised on Facebook and is due to take place at Clapham Common bandstand at 6pm on Saturday evening.

Organisers said: “It’s wrong that the response to violence against women requires women to behave differently. In Clapham, police told women not to go out at night this week. Women are not the problem.

“We’ve all been following the tragic case of Sarah Everard over the last week. This is a vigil for Sarah, but also for all women who feel unsafe, who go missing from our streets and who face violence every day.”
Sarah Everard case, what we know as officer remains in custody

 

[AG88]

Anyone else feel like the case will stick with them for a long time. Corrie Mckeagues did because he was the same age as my brother and similar characters and looks. I was so worried when he went on nights out for a long while after.

im the same age as Sarah and although I don’t live in London I’m scared to even walk my dogs beyond 5pm atm because of dog thieves. I spend more time looking over my shoulder than in front of me. I cannot stop thinking how scared she must’ve been and also the fact she was simply walking home probably thinking she’d watch something on tv or get straight to bed and she’s ended up in a field! It’s awful to even write that it’s just so tragic. At 33 I always think I’m old but when you see this happen you think wow 33 years she had so much life to live!!

 

[bubble007895]

Given the boldness of the way he took SE from a busy street in London it seems WC may have lost control and and he had to fulfill his needs which had clearly escalated. I would suggest that the use of a hire car perhaps represents he could not handle nor associate SE being connected in any way to the family car his kids go in but of course just a suggestion

 

[PandaMarch]

I just learned about this case yesterday. It’s so horrifying. That a police officer is the suspect... I just can’t.

And his wife suspected of assisting him... who would “assist” their husband if you actually suspected they committed such an horrific act?! Not me. I’d be calling it in!

The crime of assisting an offender can include many things such as lying about someone’s whereabouts, concealing evidence (which could be unknowingly). We don’t know what active role the wife played, if any, or what she knew.

 

[IndigoSnow]

Hi folks, newbie here with a couple of question/ thoughts
I am just wondering if 'human remains' implies heavily decomposed/ damaged? In which case this would suggest an attempt at destroying the evidence and means it might be very difficult for investigators to know what happened..
I don't think this is a first offence, the fact that he has so far avoided detection might have led to his being more over confident/ brazen hence carrying out the attack on SE.
I can also see how he might have lured her into his car (or close enough to it) by flashing his card and telling her police were dealing with an incident nearby and she couldn't be on the road.
I am wondering if he would risk travelling with her in the back seat of the car which would presumably carry some risk or if it is more likely she was put into the boot..

 

[SpursGyal]

I think this is going to stay with a lot of people especially women for a long time, a police officer abducting and murdering a woman straight off the street.

Anyone else feel like the case will stick with them for a long time. Corrie Mckeagues did because he was the same age as my brother and similar characters and looks. I was so worried when he went on nights out for a long while after.

im the same age as Sarah and although I don’t live in London I’m scared to even walk my dogs beyond 5pm atm because of dog thieves. I spend more time looking over my shoulder than in front of me. I cannot stop thinking how scared she must’ve been and also the fact she was simply walking home probably thinking she’d watch something on tv or get straight to bed and she’s ended up in a field! It’s awful to even write that it’s just so tragic. At 33 I always think I’m old but when you see this happen you think wow 33 years she had so much life to live!!

 

[Inspectorbee1234]

It’s possible it’s another body as well. If it’s not and it is her, he must have done something awful to get rid of evidence.

 

[Juliet B]

New member here. Been following this case with increased shock and despair. It’s almost too hard to contemplate what poor Sarah went through that night.

I do think the whole “willingly got into the car” discussion is a bit off. I don’t think she did. She was walking, just off the phone, probably fiddling about with it, headphones in (?) and from nowhere someone grabs and overpowers you. That’s it. A split second and done. He might have taken her off into the flats or shoved her straight into the car. Whatever it would have been fast and no struggle isn’t particularly unusual.

I’m intrigued about how they zeroed in on him though. It must have fallen into place quickly with him supposedly at work on the day he was arrested. Did the cctv only come to light that day or they only managed to trace the car that day? Imagine being the police officer looking into that and identifying one of their own as the suspect.

 

[Coco2018]

There are about 30 to 40 sexual or violent assaults since January in the immediate area according to police data many of which have been discontinued in any investigations. I hope that they will all be re examined now and perp found .....some may have been linked to this case POI IMO

 

[Sketchy]

Hi folks, newbie here with a couple of question/ thoughts
I am just wondering if 'human remains' implies heavily decomposed/ damaged? In which case this would suggest an attempt at destroying the evidence and means it might be very difficult for investigators to know what happened..
I don't think this is a first offence, the fact that he has so far avoided detection might have led to his being more over confident/ brazen hence carrying out the attack on SE.
I can also see how he might have lured her into his car (or close enough to it) by flashing his card and telling her police were dealing with an incident nearby and she couldn't be on the road.
I am wondering if he would risk travelling with her in the back seat of the car which would presumably carry some risk or if it is more likely she was put into the boot..

I wondered the same thing but then I think if she had been outside for 7 days exposed to the elements there should be advanced decomposition already. Can't be sure, but I think about for example the Travis Alexander case where he was inside a room for 5 days and already in the mid stages of decomposition.

 

[graceholl]

The crime of assisting an offender can include many things such as lying about someone’s whereabouts, concealing evidence (which could be unknowingly). We don’t know what active role the wife played, if any, or what she knew.

It's quite possible that the wife is also a victim of this, albeit to a significantly lesser degree. Her arrest could be as simple as providing a false alibi (and again, we don't know under what circumstances, or what she knew - could WC have been abusive to her in some way throughout their relationship to a point where she was scared to go against what he told her to do?), or it could be as severe - and terrible - as some form of active aid to WC in concealing evidence, accompanying him at some point in the aftermath of the murder, etc. We just don't know at this stage; until we do, it doesn't sit comfortably with me to sleuth her in too much detail or to make assumptions or judgments on her own character or possible involvement. I don't believe it's against TOS, though. Just personal feeling.

I am just wondering if 'human remains' implies heavily decomposed/ damaged?

Not necessarily, although I did make that inference when I read it (rightly or wrongly remains to be seen). It seems that the most common verbiage is usually 'human remains' or 'a body has been found'. The latter implies a less gruesome find to me, but that is purely opinion and I think possibly based on how previous cases have been reported...JMO

 

[slond123]

Anyone else feel like the case will stick with them for a long time. Corrie Mckeagues did because he was the same age as my brother and similar characters and looks. I was so worried when he went on nights out for a long while after.

im the same age as Sarah and although I don’t live in London I’m scared to even walk my dogs beyond 5pm atm because of dog thieves. I spend more time looking over my shoulder than in front of me. I cannot stop thinking how scared she must’ve been and also the fact she was simply walking home probably thinking she’d watch something on tv or get straight to bed and she’s ended up in a field! It’s awful to even write that it’s just so tragic. At 33 I always think I’m old but when you see this happen you think wow 33 years she had so much life to live!!

Yes, I grew up in Clapham, my nan lived along Poynders Road, still live here, these streets are in my DNA. I felt sickened, along with other women of South London and beyond to see the police dragging the ponds on the on the common and sniffer dogs in the bushes, I've never seen anything quite like it. to think that he was bold enough to just take her off the street how he did. The evil. Poor poor Sarah, she was just a woman going about her business.

 

[irene009]

Hi new member here!

So it says remains have been found does this normally suggest parts/bones/fragments as in the body has been disposed of? Rather than "a body has been found" which would suggest full remains in tact?

I really hope if this is SE that WC reveals the full story so her loved ones can have some kind of closure.

Also it could be he has assaulted women before and this time went all the way? Hardly likely that he has done all this on a first opportunity, He could have been doing this all over London!!!!

 

[PandaMarch]

This morning, MSM is reporting that the "indecent exposure" he has been arrested for, is not connected to SE's case. It therefore makes me wonder how they have found this at the same time.

Someone likely came forward from the public when seeing his photo in MSM. I can’t imagine how that person feels

 

[mrjitty]

First time poster here. I’m a clinical psychologist specialised in personality disorders and have a background in LE.

I think Sherlockhames has it broadly correct, according to what I’d expect to come out later.

Great first post!

Just to latch on to a couple of things ...

A few points re other general discussions.
- they tend to have a lower than average IQ, possibly around the 90 mark
- premeditation and their -perception- of risk often shows hallmarks of low cunning rather than the glamourised, filmic, highly sophisticated psychopathic thinking style many imagine

This is my own experience with a psychopath over multiple years. They engaged in elaborate schemes, especially involving deception, lying and manipulation - however in hindsight their scheming made no real sense as it was always bound to be discovered. They tended to indulge in high risk schemes than no sensible person would embark on, and expect that simply lying about things would be sufficient cover.

I came to the conclusion that they were partly dim, but also partly delusional. In other words, they just didn't understand that people would see through them or what the consequences would be, because they inhabit some kind of fantasy, and likely got away with things since their childhood.

- unsolved cases are predominantly due to loss of evidence over time rather than the skill of the perpetrators in covering the crime

This is a critical point IMO. Often on WS we see all kinds of speculation involving elaborate conspiracy theories to explain a person "vanishing into thin air".

But the vanishing is just an artefact of staging, and often crooks just get lucky when dumping bodies. Libby Squire is a good example of this where we saw theories about people smugglers and co-conspirators. In reality the perp just took her into his car right in front of CCTV, attacked her and dumped her in a river.

In other words, you are right - it's dumber than we think.

- yes, it may have been an accidental killing as a result of a failed attempt at consensual sexual activity
- or a panic killing to reduce the chances of prosecution

Agreed - that may be why the final facts make no sense. The crime he planned was a different (highly unrealistic) one. It may be that he has attacked woman before, and always got away with it. Maybe this is his thing. Picking up women and assaulting them. I'd be surprised if he hasn't done this before.