UK UK - Sarah Everard, 33, London - Clapham Common area, 3 March 2021 *Arrests* #6

[Blanche]

The crime of assisting an offender can include many things such as lying about someone’s whereabouts, concealing evidence (which could be unknowingly). We don’t know what active role the wife played, if any, or what she knew.

they had enough to arrest her on this , will see if she gets charged.

 

[PandaMarch]

This morning, MSM is reporting that the "indecent exposure" he has been arrested for, is not connected to SE's case. It therefore makes me wonder how they have found this at the same time.

Someone likely came forward from the public when seeing his photo in MSM. I can’t imagine how that person feels

Definitely agree that whatever happened and whatever choices she made, she is not to blame. She was a woman walking home and entitled to be safe regardless of literally anything. I don’t think posters are suggesting it’s her fault or she shouldn’t have got into the car with him, more wondering whether it is likely that this is what happened.

I think it’s an interesting issue because I think it would be very hard to get her into the car by force without something amiss being seen by someone on a road that busy. It’s possible something was seen, and we haven’t been told about it by police? But I doubt he would have taken that risk.

I don’t think it would have been surprising if having seen his warrant card, he was able to trick her into getting into his car. Also she had been drinking wine and while I don’t think there is any suggestion she was drunk, a glass or two may have made her slightly more vulnerable to someone trying to trick her in this way. (And to be clear, even if hypothetically she had been drunk, it would not make her to blame for any of it. I’m talking about what may or may not have in fact happened, not criticising her actions in any way).

I just think given it was a busy street, there’s a good chance she got in willingly.

theres definitely a huge amount of information the police have, that we know nothing about, and rightly so!

Definitely agree that whatever happened and whatever choices she made, she is not to blame. She was a woman walking home and entitled to be safe regardless of literally anything. I don’t think posters are suggesting it’s her fault or she shouldn’t have got into the car with him, more wondering whether it is likely that this is what happened.

I think it’s an interesting issue because I think it would be very hard to get her into the car by force without something amiss being seen by someone on a road that busy. It’s possible something was seen, and we haven’t been told about it by police? But I doubt he would have taken that risk.

I don’t think it would have been surprising if having seen his warrant card, he was able to trick her into getting into his car. Also she had been drinking wine and while I don’t think there is any suggestion she was drunk, a glass or two may have made her slightly more vulnerable to someone trying to trick her in this way. (And to be clear, even if hypothetically she had been drunk, it would not make her to blame for any of it. I’m talking about what may or may not have in fact happened, not criticising her actions in any way).

I just think given it was a busy street, there’s a good chance she got in willingly.

 

[Coach]

If the remains are confirmed to be SE, I wonder if the vehicle had tracking and they have been able to see that it was at the location where the remains were found. Even if he says that he picked her up then dropped her off, I wonder if they have proof of where the car went after he picked her up.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Public health expert Professor Devi Sridhar said it was “exhausting” for women, and shared her own experience with followers on social media.

She tweeted: “I used to run in the dark (early morning) and stopped after two drunk guys tried to chase me down once.

“Decided it wasn’t worth it and would only run when it’s light out & people about.”

She added: “We constantly modify our behaviour & it’s exhausting.”

“At 28/29, the dominant mood is a kind of practical exhaustion. We modify our lives constantly.”

In a televised statement on Wednesday, Met Commissioner, Dame Cressida Dick, acknowledged the anxiety that Ms Everard’s case was causing for many women.

Dame Cressida said: "Sarah's disappearance in these awful and wicked circumstances is every family's worst nightmare.

"I know Londoners will want to know that it is thankfully incredibly rare for a woman to be abducted from our streets.

The case has reignited a wider discussion about rape culture in Britain, with scores of women expressing how the threat of sexual violence can police their movements.

Professor Sridhar aired her experience in response to a tweet from journalist Moya Crockett, who said that women are forced to “modify our lives constantly” to stay safe.

Ms Crockett told followers: “Talking with female friends earlier, we realised we’ve changed. In our teens/early 20s we were OUTRAGED by the idea that we should change our behaviour to keep ourselves safe from men.
Devi Sridhar: Women ‘constantly modify’ bevaviour to avoid sexual violence

 

[mrazda71]

IMO - IF ... if the wife HAS purposefully assisted in some way, knowingly given him an alibi or lied in any way for him or done anything to cover up, I think it's because he'll have told her he 'accidentally' killed someone. 'I wasn't paying attention & hit her with the car, I'll lose my job' etc

I really hope she hasn't, for the sake of those 2 small children ... there's not a man on earth who I'd risk losing my kids for.

 

[Newthoughts]

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We teach our year 7s that the soapy feeling they get if they get it on their hands is it dissolving the fat. Our A level students use a more concentrated form yo make soap. Concentrated it is very corrosive

 

[Blanche]

what was he doing in London in the first place? looking for a victim? my view that he saw SE walking alone approached her about lockdown rules ( not saying she broke any but he could have used it as an excuse) and enticed her into his car to take her details then drove off? I've been stopped once by police for my break light being out, they were not friendly they told me to get out of my car and into the back of theirs while they took my details, I found the whole thing intimidating , two large male cops and me a small female but i complied , sitting in that back seat i was stressed , this happened some years ago but i have never forgotten how it made me feel , totally powerless.

 

[IndigoSnow]

As a firearms officer he would almost certainly have had training in self defence/ combat techniques, therefore to spring up behind her and subdue her quickly and effectively is not at all unlikely.
I am wondering if the wife has given investigators the link to the woodland where SE was found..

 

[graceholl]

what was he doing in London in the first place?

It sounds like he had recently finished his shift.

 

[Blanche]

IMO - IF ... if the wife HAS purposefully assistanted in some way, knowingly given him an alibi or lied in any way for him or done anything to cover up, I think it's because he'll have told her he 'accidentally' killed someone. 'I wasn't paying attention & hit her with the car, I'll lose my job' etc

I really hope she hasn't, for the sake of those 2 small children ... there's not a man on earth who I'd risk losing my kids for.

sadly women do this for the men in their lives, look at all the cases of children killed by the mother's new partner where they put the partner above their own children , so nothing would surprise me at all.

 

[Joolz1975]

Consideration for the family. And respect for the deceased, whose death deserves to be announced properly, not be at the centre of a grubby race for a scoop.

It's a short-term voluntary agreement between press and authorities (was wondering if it has a different, stricter meaning outside UK?)

Do not believe everything you read about British press standards

Which is why I was disappointed it was mentioned here before the news even broke officially.

 

[PandaMarch]

they had enough to arrest her on this , will see if she gets charged.

They don’t need much to arrest her. It could simply have been her lying about his movements on the night in question after being told to by her husband. Many possibilities that don’t include her knowing what happened etc

 

[Gibbo214]

First time poster here. I’m a clinical psychologist specialised in personality disorders and have a background in LE.

I think Sherlockhames has it broadly correct, according to what I’d expect to come out later.

A few points re other general discussions.

- “hands on” sex offenders tend to have a personality disorder, even if it is somewhat subtle
- psychopaths & those with other cluster B disorders are reasonably common in society
- they tend to have a lower than average IQ, possibly around the 90 mark
- premeditation and their -perception- of risk often shows hallmarks of low cunning rather than the glamourised, filmic, highly sophisticated psychopathic thinking style many imagine
- unsolved cases are predominantly due to loss of evidence over time rather than the skill of the perpetrators in covering the crime
- hire cars are not unusual in cases like this, the low cunning thinking style perceiving them less likely to be traced
- ANPR cams all over the UK lead LE to WC and he was subsequently subject to surveillance by plain clothes teams for days
- cordon at Poynders Court probably to some degree timed to give media smokescreen whilst arrest planned at WC’s home
- PaDP officers are almost always -not- trained in forensics, investigative policing techniques or related specialist functions
- PaDP are trained in tactics related to security and weapon handling, usually involving 5 week training sessions at a specialised residential facility in Kent
- This training is repeated every X months / years as are psychological screenings for ones suitability to be a firearms officer
- these screenings are not repeated often enough IMO as much can change between times and they are widely self report questionnaires which are known to be unrealiable
- one may expect that a sex offender would escalate from “hands off” ie flashing to “hands on” over time if he is subject to worsening mental health, fractures in personal relationships, death or illness in the family, a narcissistic injury such as humiliation at work or with his wife etc
- yes, it is possible that a first killing occurs at 48
- yes, it is statistically likely that Sarah got into his car voluntarily
- yes, it may have been an accidental killing as a result of a failed attempt at consensual sexual activity
- or a panic killing to reduce the chances of prosecution

EDIT to add: its highly unlikely that his Met issue taser or other weapon could be used in this attack as they are strictly booked in and out before & after shifts. However police CAN carry: baton, warrant ID, uniform, nylon cuffs, and other small items away from work easily / with permission.

There’s so much more to say but I have to go to work!

BBM. I have seen this claimed several times. What could be accidental about someone dying in an attempt at consensual sex?

 

[Finders_Keepers]

Considering wether it was premeditated or not. I’ve always wondered what constitutes premeditation, does it have to of been planned days in advance?

Im the UK ‘Malice Aforethought’. Although I would assume it highly likely impossible to say at this stage.

And no it doesn’t have to be days, for example going to the toilet in a pub and then coming back and punching someone could hit the threshold so definitely doesn’t need to be significant time

 

[Blanche]

They don’t need much to arrest her. It could simply have been her lying about his movements on the night in question after being told to by her husband. Many possibilities that don’t include her knowing what happened etc

but also many possibilities that include her knowing as well.

 

[bubble007895]

Anyone else feel like the case will stick with them for a long time. Corrie Mckeagues did because he was the same age as my brother and similar characters and looks. I was so worried when he went on nights out for a long while after.

im the same age as Sarah and although I don’t live in London I’m scared to even walk my dogs beyond 5pm atm because of dog thieves. I spend more time looking over my shoulder than in front of me. I cannot stop thinking how scared she must’ve been and also the fact she was simply walking home probably thinking she’d watch something on tv or get straight to bed and she’s ended up in a field! It’s awful to even write that it’s just so tragic. At 33 I always think I’m old but when you see this happen you think wow 33 years she had so much life to live!!

Yes absolutely. I live in london and planning to move out and was having misgivings about it but now this has done it.

 

[jk1874]

BBM. I have seen this claimed several times. What could be accidental about someone dying in an attempt at consensual sex?

Strangulation as part of the act?

 

[SpursGyal]

BBM. I have seen this claimed several times. What could be accidental about someone dying in an attempt at consensual sex?

I believe a few perps have claimed this by way of consensual BDSM.

 

[irene009]

Also for future reference if you are stopped by police male or female you can call the police check that they are on duty etc for your safety. Normally they are in pairs but maybe covid and social distancing has made lone officers more likely to travel alone.

 

[Blanche]

Public health expert Professor Devi Sridhar said it was “exhausting” for women, and shared her own experience with followers on social media.

She tweeted: “I used to run in the dark (early morning) and stopped after two drunk guys tried to chase me down once.

“Decided it wasn’t worth it and would only run when it’s light out & people about.”

She added: “We constantly modify our behaviour & it’s exhausting.”

“At 28/29, the dominant mood is a kind of practical exhaustion. We modify our lives constantly.”

In a televised statement on Wednesday, Met Commissioner, Dame Cressida Dick, acknowledged the anxiety that Ms Everard’s case was causing for many women.

Dame Cressida said: "Sarah's disappearance in these awful and wicked circumstances is every family's worst nightmare.

"I know Londoners will want to know that it is thankfully incredibly rare for a woman to be abducted from our streets.

The case has reignited a wider discussion about rape culture in Britain, with scores of women expressing how the threat of sexual violence can police their movements.

Professor Sridhar aired her experience in response to a tweet from journalist Moya Crockett, who said that women are forced to “modify our lives constantly” to stay safe.

Ms Crockett told followers: “Talking with female friends earlier, we realised we’ve changed. In our teens/early 20s we were OUTRAGED by the idea that we should change our behaviour to keep ourselves safe from men.
Devi Sridhar: Women ‘constantly modify’ bevaviour to avoid sexual violence

I think both men and women modify their behaviour , atm there is a crime spree of knife crime happening where the overwhelming majority are men dying at the violence of other men. it's generally not safe. In an ideal world we would all be able to walk safely where ever we wanted and not have to protect our homes and sheds from people breaking in but sadly we do and we always will have to IMO