UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #7

[Ljh21]

I love this! now were getting somewhere! exactly what I have been saying in previous posts ...and you are the first person to have joined me in suggesting that she could have chosen to disappear ....we don't know the reason ...but yes totally......
How to you get murdered in Central London without a trace in broad daylight ...she didn't intend to go far at all - just popped out , no trace , no real evidence apart from hearsay, sightings that cant be verified, no body ....on your second thought - I did look into the Thames theory and many bodies that end up in there - suicides etc are never found and never resurface......

 

[Ljh21]

Maybe she had seen sw commit a crime and knew he was docking and this time felt so unsafe she disappeared, and following all the press coverage and public knowledge felt she could not return after all that , even though sw incarcerated still feels unable to come forward

 

[greenwoodlad]

Maybe she knew a murderer sw and her not reporting it lead to her feeling involved maybe she knew the qe2 was docking on monday and sw had unfinished business but like you my question would be why the monday at 12:40 maybe did plan to talk through a past event.

Yes I really do think we need to look at one simple thing - why did she leave the office with just her purse? and why (IMO) did she have to make up a reason to do so?

as I've said previously if it was personal and not urgent why lunchtime - why not after work?

No, this was something she either chose to to , had to do, was coerced or blackmailed in to doing...

 

[Ljh21]

Yes I really do think we need to look at one simple thing - why did she leave the office with just her purse? and why (IMO) did she have to make up a reason to do so?

as I've said previously if it was personal and not urgent why lunchtime - why not after work?

No, this was something she either chose to to , had to do, was coerced or blackmailed in to doing...

Maybe she thought sw would have time to get to her if any later, she would know the docking time also, sjl would not know if he had shore leave and could not take that chance

 

[greenwoodlad]

Maybe she thought sw would have time to get to her if any later, she would know the docking time also

Its an interesting theory isn't it - so much probably going on in her life that never came to light so anything is possible.

 

[Ljh21]

Its an interesting theory isn't it - so much probably going on in her life that never came to light so anything is possible.

Is there a past event of anyone missing from the qe2 while sw sjl worked on it?

 

[greenwoodlad]

another thought - when she arrived at the office that morning (if she did, as we have Sturgis staff accounts only ) but lets assume she did arrive at the office ...did she know she was going to have to exit at lunchtime and make up an appointment - or did something happen during the morning , a phone call etc that used her to make a last minute plan.....and put that appointment in the diary

 

[Ljh21]

Is there a past event of anyone missing from the qe2 while sw sjl worked on it?

 

[Ljh21]

another thought - when she arrived at the office that morning (if she did, as we have Sturgis staff accounts only ) but lets assume she did arrive at the office ...did she know she was going to have to exit at lunchtime and make up an appointment - or did something happen during the morning , a phone call etc that used her to make a last minute plan.....and put that appointment in the diary

Maybe that was sjl clue to sw as we know their is a kipper connection

 

[Ljh21]

another thought - when she arrived at the office that morning (if she did, as we have Sturgis staff accounts only ) but lets assume she did arrive at the office ...did she know she was going to have to exit at lunchtime and make up an appointment - or did something happen during the morning , a phone call etc that used her to make a last minute plan.....and put that appointment in the diary

Maybe sw had called her in the weeks prior even (explains the phone calls to home)

 

[Ljh21]

Yes I really do think we need to look at one simple thing - why did she leave the office with just her purse? and why (IMO) did she have to make up a reason to do so?

as I've said previously if it was personal and not urgent why lunchtime - why not after work?

No, this was something she either chose to to , had to do, was coerced or blackmailed in to doing...

Maybe sw had called her office just to scare her into making sure she kept stum, and as an earlier post said she had looked skinny in the photo, possible stress of upcoming situation who knows!

 

[greenwoodlad]

Is there a past event of anyone missing from the qe2 while sw sjl worked on it?

Just had a look at the QE2 story - quick search says yes passenger deaths and missing passengers in the 1980s - needs more investigation if you think it could be relevant

 

[Ljh21]

Pss

Maybe sw had called her office just to scare her into making sure she kept stum, and as an earlier post said she had looked skinny in the photo, possible stress of upcoming situation who k

Just had a look at the QE2 story - quick search says yes passenger deaths and missing passengers in the 1980s - needs more investigation if you think it could be relevant

100% could be relevant and maybe pss was her ticket to feedom of the usa.

 

[Ljh21]

Pss



100% could be relevant and maybe pss was her ticket to feedom of the usa.

Would explain the home heavy breathing phone calls, sjl would have been petrified but being a strong woman kept a poker face to everyone around her

 

[Ljh21]

Would explain the home heavy breathing phone calls, sjl would have been petrified but being a strong woman kept a poker face to everyone around her

 

[Ljh21]

If around 06:30 then sjl would have known how long she had and may have tried to keep the monday day clear,

 

[Cherwell]

You have to say that her purse may mean more than given thought as if not intending to buy (if not sandwiches, something else under £15) but not making the purchase.
What could it have been, and the purse being left in the door creates space so to speak between the 2 events. (Just a different thought suggestion)
I think if to buy something then it would be within 10 minutes driving time if this was her lunch/errand, maybe cancel tennis at the tennis centre, and all the perp would have to do is erase the entry, all entrys, so i would be looking for a small tennis club with maybe son 30+ or owner coach within 10-15 drive minutes of disraeli road. As no one seems to know where she played it maybe suggests more than tennis.

Simple - she took her purse in case she needed money for something. A telephone box (no mobile phone), a parking meter, buy something.
A bigger question for me is why she didn't take her handbag, but it's a mistake to think that everyone would act as one would oneself.

Was the tennis club or tennis ever investigated? Ive seen no mention of it in books content or in any information about this case.

The only reference to tennis was a passing mention by DL. She may have got it wrong, got the wrong date, or Suzy never told her that the tennis date was cancelled. If she had been going to play tennis, she would almost certainly have had her tennis stuff in the car.

 

[WestLondoner]

The purse is interesting in that it wasn't a handbag. This means she hadn't the means to carry a hairbrush, lippy, mirror etc. Therefore this 12.45 meeting was not some sort of tryst that was masquerading as an appointment; if it were, she'd have titivated herself a bit in advance. Therefore this was an appointment.

The police clearly got that far, hence inferred that the 37SR meeting was real, and further noted that nobody came forward as or knew of any "Mr Kipper". So they needed to find him, and couldn't.

Despite the press chat at the time of the danger of attractive estate agents meeting random men and being harmed, this was never really a thing. Estate agents don't work that way (although other types of business do). So "Mr Kipper" has to have been somebody she already knew. If she had known him any length of time, she'd surely have his contact details written down somewhere. Yet it seems none have ever been found; or they were but the contact was never recognised to be Mr Kipper. Or, was this perhaps someone she had met no earlier than the previous week? So he's got her number but she hasn't yet troubled to get hold of his?

 

[greenwoodlad]

Simple - she took her purse in case she needed money for something. A telephone box (no mobile phone), a parking meter, buy something.
A bigger question for me is why she didn't take her handbag, but it's a mistake to think that everyone would act as one would oneself.

The only reference to tennis was a passing mention by DL. She may have got it wrong, got the wrong date, or Suzy never told her that the tennis date was cancelled. If she had been going to play tennis, she would almost certainly have had her tennis stuff in the car.

I concur. The fact she only took her purse and not her handbag is important evidence ..as IMO it means she was only popping out for a few minutes...but as you quite rightly point out ...thats a matter of opinion ...but if she knew she was going driving in her car around the area and likely to be out of the office for an hour or 2 surely she would have taken her bag....

 

[Ljh21]

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I concur. The fact she only took her purse and not her handbag is important evidence ..as IMO it means she was only popping out for a few minutes...but as you quite rightly point out ...thats a matter of opinion ...but if she knew she was going driving in her car around the area and likely to be out of the office for an hour or 2 surely she would have taken her bag....

Well i guess it is just theoretical but dock at 6:30 ( no clue as to staff disembark say 7:30-8 ) transport to london ( again may have had a car parked up somewhere close, could have caught train and tube, 1-2 hours max, has time enough to do the deed just need to think it through, could have been the mr kipper phone call but used a bogus sturgis address far enough if anyone work related was nearby, may also have known no stevenage road viewing happening so good address to meet (wm could be wrong timing 12:45 - 2-45 still the 45 but 2 hours out on her recall, then that makes her seeing sjl driving up fulham palace road work and the dodgy driving seen by the van driver just before so sjl under duress but trying to keep sw happy, so that gives sw from say 1:00 until 2:30 to get sjl to drive somewhere nearby but quiet do yhe deed and leave yhe car back at 123 sr closes down the possible location but would have to look at sw’s later crimes to see the sort of locations left, all dependent on weather sw left the qe2, i onow it was checked to see if he left but hey he is a cunning multiple murderer i am sure he could have left the ship and got back on without too much effort.