UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #7

It’s a very plausible (and concise) theory if it is JC. I’m prepared to believe it is him, but I want more proof, and I’m not happy with what LE have offered us in that department.
I think the initial investigation was poor, and I'm not a big fan of how the Met conducted themselves in the 80s, but I think they got there in the end with JC.

I would be extremely happy to be proven wrong though.

Unfortunately I think this is one of the least likely cases to ever go live again. The Met as good as declared it as unresolved in 2002 IIRC with the public announcement of JC as prime and only suspect.
 
Not sure it's a concise theory, but I think it was probably JC.

Encounters Suzy in a bar and finds out she's an estate agent in Fulham.
Stalks her and plans a surprise encounter, posing as a businessman buyer.
He thinks he can charm her with his cheesy champagne gift etc, and take her to lunch, but things go sour.
So he goes to plan B (abduction - for which he's always prepared) and takes her to his local lair.
After the murder he leaves London for good, burying Suzy somewhere north of the city.
He then heads to his mother's home in the Birmingham area before relocating to Bristol and resuming his stalking and sexual deviancy.

Basically what the police think happened!
It certainly fits his MO - predatory male, linked , though not proven, with the midlands house for sale rapes circa 1979/80 and a man was seen in SR with a bottle of champagne, a known JC seduction device, long before he became the Met’s prime suspect.

His denials of any links with Suzy can be disregarded as he denied most of his crimes despite overwhelming evidence
 
I think the initial investigation was poor, and I'm not a big fan of how the Met conducted themselves in the 80s, but I think they got there in the end with JC.

I would be extremely happy to be proven wrong though.

Unfortunately I think this is one of the least likely cases to ever go live again. The Met as good as declared it as unresolved in 2002 IIRC with the public announcement of JC as prime and only suspect.
Agreed. Still think the canal should be properly dredged to prove / disprove the “Dave” theory. JD was adamant in the recent docs the deposition area hadn’t been dredged
 
It certainly fits his MO - predatory male, linked , though not proven, with the midlands house for sale rapes circa 1979/80
There's nothing whatsoever to suggest that those crimes were committed by JC. Any of the victims would have been able to identify him. We would certainly have heard about it if they had.
 
There's nothing whatsoever to suggest that those crimes were committed by JC. Any of the victims would have been able to identify him. We would certainly have heard about it if they had.
I haven't seen anything to connect him to the House for Sale attacks. Other than being a known rapist in the general proximity, during the right time period.

If the House for Sale rapist really committed twenty attacks, then he's the UK's most prolific uncaught serial offender.

Yet he's never discussed (other then the occasional mention in relation to JC) and the police certainly never made any announcements about there being an absolute prime suspect.

IIRC the police looked at a link between Suzy and the rapist in 1986, but weren't at all convinced.
 
It’s a very plausible (and concise) theory if it is JC. I’m prepared to believe it is him, but I want more proof, and I’m not happy with what LE have offered us in that department.
i agree. there is no evidence he even knew SL. he only got out of the scrubs 3 days earlier. did he go straight to his mothers house in sutton coldfied after his release on friday 25th july 1986. if so he is not the infamous mr kipper.
 
i agree. there is no evidence he even knew SL. he only got out of the scrubs 3 days earlier. did he go straight to his mothers house in sutton coldfied after his release on friday 25th july 1986. if so he is not the infamous mr kipper.
He had a lot of freedom of movement for a few months before his official release.

It's strange that there's no conformation where JC was from the Friday until the Monday, let alone where he was from the Monday to the Thursday.

Six days missing and he couldn't ever remember where he was.
 
i agree. there is no evidence he even knew SL. he only got out of the scrubs 3 days earlier. did he go straight to his mothers house in sutton coldfied after his release on friday 25th july 1986. if so he is not the infamous mr kipper.

He had a lot of freedom of movement for a few months before his official release.

It's strange that there's no conformation where JC was from the Friday until the Monday, let alone where he was from the Monday to the Thursday.

Six days missing and he couldn't ever remember where he was.
That's the issue though its well documented that the CPS say JC and SJL cannot be placed together, JC doesn't need to explain where he was , I guess after leaving the bail hostel he wasn't required to account for his movements .
 
He had a lot of freedom of movement for a few months before his official release.

It's strange that there's no conformation where JC was from the Friday until the Monday, let alone where he was from the Monday to the Thursday.

Six days missing and he couldn't ever remember where he was.
JC may have known where he was, but was pretending to be mr kipper.
 
I'm confused about his alibi. According to DVs account, JC had an alibi which was not checked and by the time he was asked for one the people who could alibi him (mother, sister and brother in law) had passed away.

This would've been after his arrest for SB.

I seem to recall him saying something like "they (the police) should have asked me sooner" implying that he was somehow already in the frame and perhaps questioned prior to this.

He was questioned about the Reading Rape a few months after sjl's disappearance, but I feel in my bones that he was indeed questioned over sjl too, at some point, and was not of sufficient interest. Have I imagined this?
 
I'm confused about his alibi. According to DVs account, JC had an alibi which was not checked and by the time he was asked for one the people who could alibi him (mother, sister and brother in law) had passed away.

This would've been after his arrest for SB.

I seem to recall him saying something like "they (the police) should have asked me sooner" implying that he was somehow already in the frame and perhaps questioned prior to this.

He was questioned about the Reading Rape a few months after sjl's disappearance, but I feel in my bones that he was indeed questioned over sjl too, at some point, and was not of sufficient interest. Have I imagined this?
there was a girl JC was talking to the day SL vanished. this was in sutton coldfield, and she confirmed what JC had to say. i think this was his alibi, but the girl was interviewed in 1988, and she appeared to be confused about the day she was with JC, so despite being able to verify JC alibi, she was not sure about the day it took place.
 
there was a girl JC was talking to the day SL vanished. this was in sutton coldfield, and she confirmed what JC had to say. i think this was his alibi, but the girl was interviewed in 1988, and she appeared to be confused about the day she was with JC, so despite being able to verify JC alibi, she was not sure about the day it took place.
Can you recall when this conversation took place?
 
Can you recall when this conversation took place?
i think it was 1988, but i could be wrong. i know it was years after SL vanished which is why they could never pin down the actual date. i will check my notebooks which are filled with info on SL case. if it was the 28 july 1986 when JC was with the girl, then he was staying with his mother in SC. this means his alibi checks out. i will check my notes and get back to you.
 
It’s a very plausible (and concise) theory if it is JC. I’m prepared to believe it is him, but I want more proof, and I’m not happy with what LE have offered us in that department.
LE completely missed the boat with JC, they messed up big time back in 86. They were too busy on another big case , then didn’t do the basics.
By the time JC came into the frame any chance of evidence had disappeared completely.
 
RE, alibi. JC said he was chatting this girl up on the 28th july 1986. this was part of his alibi, and the girl confirmed it.
Depends when the police questioned the girl, I’d guess it was some considerable time later. JC often mixed up events to make a alibi, knowing that the people involved might recall him, but not the exact day.
 

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