VA - Amy Bradley, 23, Petersburg, 24 March 1998 - #1

[EXIA15145]

With all this talk we've been doing, has anyone shown any of the information on the ship?

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Rhapsody_of_the_Seas"]MS Rhapsody of the Seas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

http://www.travelweekly.com/Cruise/Royal-Caribbean-International/Rhapsody-of-the-Seas

http://www.ship-technology.com/projects/rhapsody/

http://www.ship-technology.com/projects/rhapsody/rhapsody1.html

 

[FindAmy]

How did they know where and when to go? I refer to the guys in the car.

I have been saying that I don't believe that Amy was kidnapped by a South American and sent to a brothel in South America, as a prostitute. Prostitution is legal in South American. These people don't need to kidnap a high profile American woman. Amy's kidnapping is far more complicated than this.

Having said that, I personally believe that Amy was chosen for a specific purpose(s) by a group. I believe this group is making a lot of money doing some very illegal things. The group is very well organized as evident by the way Amy was taken off of the ship, without a trace. It is obvious that there are a number of people in this group. There is a hierarchy. Amy was kidnapped in Curacao. She has been seen in two confirmed Curacao sightings and one unconfirmed. There is obviously a connection between Curacao and this group.

People in Curacao are mobile and the island is small. They travel to the US. They go to school in the US. They often have homes in the US. They have friends and relatives in the US. There are many possible ways for these two young men to have been in that car. They were paid to photograph the Bradleys, just as Alister Douglas was paid to drug and kidnap Amy. The cost to obtain those family photographs is nothing compared to the illegal money this group is probably making, and it is very important for this group to have compliance from Amy.

Amy is a vicitim of a horrific kidnapping. Every part of her being has probably been abused. Like most kidnapping victims, she has probably been forced into compliance physically, mentally, emotionally, and sexually. She has probably been punished for any misbehavior, which is a primary reason why information isn't released about her. This group has made some really dumb mistakes along the way, but they are not stupid. They know how to force compliance and get any information they might need. One way to frighten or intimidate Amy would be to show her a recent photograph of the grandmother she dearly loves and threaten this woman with harm. If Amy sees a current photograph of a loved one at a location she knows, she will believe that her family is in harm's way. She will be compliant out of fear. She will tell them anything they want to know and she will do anything they tell her to do. She has already experienced, first hand, how this group has violated her. Why would she doubt that they would do something horrible to another family member?

Don't think for a minute that this group doesn't follow the Bradley family. They read at Facebook and they read at Websleuths. This is another reason why we don't release information about Amy.

 

[FindAmy]

Have had this on my mind for days, so I guess I'll post it. If it's something that needs to be removed I understand.

And this is of course nothing but speculation concerning the reason that Amy was taken, and for what purposes she is being used. The illegal trafficking of children, for illegal adoptions or even worse, for sexual exploitation, has been big in the underworld of crime and is reportedly growing every day. Could Amy have been taken to assist in the kidnapping of children? Or, to help to watch over and care for them afterward and wherever they are being kept?

Neesaki, I personally think that this is a great post and it is completely accurate. Most people don't realize what is going on in some of these locations. I personally believe that Amy probably serves more than one purpose and something like this could very well be one of her tasks.

 

[FindAmy]

I know, it makes one wonder if there aren't local connections in their hometown, with whoever is behind Amy's disappearance. Is it possible that they set up Amy's kidnapping before they ever went on the cruise ?

A lot of people from Aruba and Curacao send their children to colleges in Massachusetts, Virginia, and Florida. The Bradleys don't live far from Washington, DC. There could be a lot of local connections.

I guess Amy could have been chosen before the cruise, but I think she was selected on the cruise ship. I personally believe that they were probably trolling for a victim to meet their sick needs and Amy did fit the need. I have wondered if there were women before Amy who had been chosen, but the opportunity didn't arise to grab them. Those cruise ships have a weekly itinerary through the islands with the same crew. This group could have been shopping for a while and Amy was the woman they finally were able to grab.

 

[arielilane]

This brings up what I have been thinking a lot about. This most likely is not the first time a woman has been kidnapped from the ship? Do we know of any other events that someone went missing with the same people involved (AD and the waiter).

Also, did the waiter who invited Amy to Carlos and Charlies (made comments to Brad) keep his employment with RC after Amy was abducted?

 

[FindAmy]

This brings up what I have been thinking a lot about. This most likely is not the first time a woman has been kidnapped from the ship? Do we know of any other events that someone went missing with the same people involved (AD and the waiter).

Also, did the waiter who invited Amy to Carlos and Charlies (made comments to Brad) keep his employment with RC after Amy was abducted?

I don't know of anyone else who was kidnapped from a Royal Caribbean ship.

The waiter continued to work for Royal Caribbean for years.

 

[elepher50]

This long flat philtrum on this sketch of the man seen with Amy should make this man easily identifiable. I have been looking around but haven't come up with anything as yet. It looks like Amy is being passed around from handler to handler and country to country which makes me believe that the handlers could be on the move too so this character could be just about anywhere.

The long flat philtrum may (and I emphasize may) be a sign of autistic traits.

All MOO, IMO.

 

[FindAmy]

This long flat philtrum on this sketch of the man seen with Amy should make this man easily identifiable. I have been looking around but haven't come up with anything as yet. It looks like Amy is being passed around from handler to handler and country to country which makes me believe that the handlers could be on the move too so this character could be just about anywhere.

The long flat philtrum may (and I emphasize may) be a sign of autistic traits.

All MOO, IMO.

It's also a possible indication of Fetal Alcohol Syndrome.

The witness described him as possibly being from the Mediterranean. His appearance was very neat and he was well dressed.

 

[dejavoodoo64]

How did they know where and when to go? I refer to the guys in the car.

I apologize if it's already been covered.

I would think it strenghthens the argument for someone on the ship being involved. Someone who has access to the ships records maybe.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I want to ask you something, since you're saying you believe Amy did this. Would you decide to SIT on top of the railing and dangle your feet and watch the sun rise? You say this, yet you have been repeatedly told, while that's the last her dad saw her was on the balcony, other people saw her in other places.

Ifl I were drunk or high (which I don't drink or drug, but if I did...) possibly.
That said, my main point is that I don't think she ever left the balconey through the suite. I haven't read anything in this thread that conclusively verifies Amy was seen after her father last saw her on the balconey.

Based on the very limited amount of facts available (all the rest is unverified), the only (and sad) conclusion I can come to is that she went over the balconey rail either intentionally, or unintentionally.

This is a very sad case, and I certainly hope I'm wrong and that she surfaces. Stranger things have happened, that is for sure.

 

[SeeMamaRun]

This is a close up of the railings on the Rhapsody of the Seas. Can you really picture someone sitting on this to watch the sunrise? I can't.

...the picture is not as big as I had hoped but you can see how tall the railing is compared to the people. I can try to make it bigger if anyone wants

 

[arielilane]

Until we find out what happened to Amy, people are still going to think she went overboard. It just doesn't fit this scenario. Find Amy pointed out earlier that when someone goes overboard, there is usually some forensic evidence to support this. In this case, no forensic evidence was found, at least that I know of. A lot of times, people will hit something on the way down and leave blood, etc. Nobody saw or heard anything that would point to her going overboard. What WAS seen and reported was Amy in the disco at 6 am with Douglas, and he was giving her something to drink-coffee, maybe. I don't think she went down there to continue to "party" as someone else mentioned. Then, the witness reported that she saw Douglas again, alone not long after this. So where was Amy? Also, her brother really stressed in the Unsolved clip that she was not comfortable around the railings of the ship. And, nobody has reported that Amy was wasted drunk during her night out, especially enough to be lollygagging around the railings at 5:30 am. I have not heard anyone say that she was so drunk that she was incapacitated. She was with it enough to go grab a coffee with that guy.

I brought MM's post forward because I thought it was well stated.

Ifl I were drunk or high (which I don't drink or drug, but if I did...) possibly.
That said, my main point is that I don't think she ever left the balconey through the suite. I haven't read anything in this thread that conclusively verifies Amy was seen after her father last saw her on the balconey.

Based on the very limited amount of facts available (all the rest is unverified), the only (and sad) conclusion I can come to is that she went over the balconey rail either intentionally, or unintentionally.

This is a very sad case, and I certainly hope I'm wrong and that she surfaces. Stranger things have happened, that is for sure.

Do you remember George Smith who went missing on a cruise ship? I believe it was the Royal Caribbean Brilliance of the Seas in July 2005. It is believed that he may have fallen into the sea. There was a huge blood stain left on the landing/deck. The Smith family have no answers either. If Amy had fallen, there would have been evidence of her hitting something first. There was not any evidence of a fall, because she did not fall into the sea.

 

[PeggyAnnMcKay]

Ifl I were drunk or high (which I don't drink or drug, but if I did...) possibly.
That said, my main point is that I don't think she ever left the balconey through the suite. I haven't read anything in this thread that conclusively verifies Amy was seen after her father last saw her on the balconey.

Based on the very limited amount of facts available (all the rest is unverified), the only (and sad) conclusion I can come to is that she went over the balconey rail either intentionally, or unintentionally.

This is a very sad case, and I certainly hope I'm wrong and that she surfaces. Stranger things have happened, that is for sure.

You may have missed this post, but there was eye witness testimony that was presented before a grand jury. Here's the post by FindAmy:

(BBM in both quotes)

I have no idea what is being reported on documentaries, but I will give you information directly from the source.

The ship was not between islands. It was docking at the cruise terminal in Curacao. The photo is below.

Ron Bradley was not the last person to see Amy. Numerous people testified before a Grand Jury and Court that they had seen Amy in the elevator and the disco after 6:00 AM. By 7:00AM, people were preparing to disembark into Curacao.

I do not know why Ron Bradley didn't hear Amy leave the room. If you look at the floor plan of the family suite, she probably left quietly through the sitting area. The floor plan is below.

There have been numerous verified sightings of Amy Bradley. There have been witnesses who have spoken to her. She has identified herself to American witnesses who afterwards passed FBI polygraphs.

 

[Hippy Chick]

Has any other woman ever said that they had a close call on a cruise ship or on any of these islands? I wonder if Amy ever had any children of her own?

 

[neesaki]

Ifl I were drunk or high (which I don't drink or drug, but if I did...) possibly.
That said, my main point is that I don't think she ever left the balconey through the suite. I haven't read anything in this thread that conclusively verifies Amy was seen after her father last saw her on the balconey.

Based on the very limited amount of facts available (all the rest is unverified), the only (and sad) conclusion I can come to is that she went over the balconey rail either intentionally, or unintentionally.

This is a very sad case, and I certainly hope I'm wrong and that she surfaces. Stranger things have happened, that is for sure.

This theory has been refuted by eye witnesses that saw Amy later that A.M. after her father last saw her on the balcony. If you go back you will find this information in previous posts in this thread. We have also been asked to "move on" by Admin. SoSueMe but I guess you missed that too? So I will repost it here: Post #449:

Let's please move on from the "Amy fell over the balcony" line of thought.

Amy was seen by others on the ship after her father saw her on the balcony.

One would really have to work at going over one of those balconys. If you don't believe me, take Amy's height, find her center of gravity and then take the height of the balcony and calculate it.

Amy was seen on the ship after her father last saw her. As seen by the diagram, the balcony had two points of entry. One that led to one of the bedrooms and the other that led to the sitting room. It only makes sense that Amy would have exited the balcony through the sitting room so as not to disturb her parents.

Please, let's move on.

 

[maureen]

Hi - I just wanted to recount an experience I had while off a RCCL ship in Jamaica several years ago. My mother and I were on the cruise and she loves to gamble, therefore we became very friendly with the casino dealers. In Cozumel, a large group from the ship, passengers and crew all went to Carlos n Charlies and partied all night - a great time, lots of fun. The next day, in Jamaica, Mom and I went on a bus tour where they drop you off for an hour of shopping before you return to the ship. She stayed on the bus while I got off to go shopping. A man approached me and said, "Hey, I recognize you from the ship. What are your plans while you're in port?" I did not recognize this man, but, he said he worked in the kitchen and had seen me. He was black and I am white and I didn't want him to think I was racist because I hung around with the white casino dealers, but, wouldn't give him the time of day, so, I told him I was shopping for tshirts. He said his cousin ran a tshirt shop and he would take me there so I could get a good discount. I felt a little funny about it but I figured the stores are all public, swarming with tourists, etc. Well, he led me on a very convoluted path to a grubby little store. I knew I did not know how to get back from the store and I felt like they were going to rob me, very uncomfortable. I had a 20 in my pocket and more cash and a credit card in a fannypack. There was no way I was giving them my cc number and I didnt want them to see my other cash, so, I searched for something that cost less than the 20. I just felt like I was going to get hit in the head at any second. Finally, bought a towel and got the hell out of there. Once we got outside, he said, "Give me a 20 and I'll take you back to the bus." I told him all I had was the change from the towel, but, I would give that to him, it was 3 or 4 dollars. We argued about it as we walked back, he kept saying you have more than that, youre on vacation! We kept walking and fighting until we got to a point that I recognized and I just took off running, never looked back. I got on the bus and before I could say anything, my Mom said, "The strangest thing happened to me. I got off the bus to get a Coke and a man came up to me and said, Hey, I recognize you from the ship!" Mom, being smarter than me said which ship? and he named the wrong ship, so she told him he was mistaken and just got her Coke. To this day, I do not get off the ship when it is in Jamaica. That night at dinner, my busboy said, "I saw you today in the port, you were walking with a friend". So, I guess my point is crazy things do happen, women, especially, trust your intuition and it is better for people to think you are racist than you risk your property and your life to prove to them that you are not.

 

[FindAmy]

Ifl I were drunk or high (which I don't drink or drug, but if I did...) possibly.
That said, my main point is that I don't think she ever left the balconey through the suite. I haven't read anything in this thread that conclusively verifies Amy was seen after her father last saw her on the balconey.

Based on the very limited amount of facts available (all the rest is unverified), the only (and sad) conclusion I can come to is that she went over the balconey rail either intentionally, or unintentionally.

This is a very sad case, and I certainly hope I'm wrong and that she surfaces. Stranger things have happened, that is for sure.

Roses from Angels, I have no idea why you are so convinced that Amy climbed on the balcony and fell from the ship. She has been seen by dozens of people. Witnesses to her sightings have passed FBI polygraphs. Witnesses have given testimony to Federal Courts and a Grand Jury. There is absolutely not one thread of evidence that she climbed on a balcony or fell from a balcony. I think the posters on this thread are weary from debating this issue and would like to move on. SuSueMe has asked for the posters to move on from the railing topic.

 

[FindAmy]

With the exception of San Francisco, Amy's sightings have been in the southern Caribbean. Something is happening on one of these islands.

 

[FindAmy]

 

[FindAmy]