VA - Amy Bradley, 23, Petersburg, 24 March 1998 - #2 - ***READ FIRST POST***

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I will find the post so that you will believe me. If you have a post stating differently, feel free to repost it and I'll stand corrected.

And here it is ... thread 2, #158. All of the summaries that I wrote (like this one) used exact words pulled from various posts from the verified insider, who would then say that either my summary was accurate or needed additional clarification. This one was approved as written.

JaimeSommers wrote:
March 24, 1998: Amy Lynn Bradley Disappears from the Royal Caribbean Rhapsody of the Seas

IV. The Sightings

d. March 2005: Barbados
Seven years after Amy's disappearance, an American woman was using the restroom in a Barbados department store. The door to the restroom opened and a woman was escorted in by a man, who told the woman to check if anyone else was inside. The American woman became frightened and lifted her feet so they couldn't be seen under the door to her stall.

The American woman watched as the other woman pressed her face against the crack by the hinge of the American woman's stall and announced that the stall was empty. The American woman knew immediately that the woman had seen her in the stall. The man who escorted the woman into the restroom proceeded to speak for several minutes. The conversation was overheard by the American witness in her stall.

The man then left the restroom. When the American witness was satisfied that the man was gone, she came out of the stall. At this point she encountered a frightened Amy Bradley. She had a conversation with Amy. During the conversation, Amy identified herself and said where she was from.

The man came back into the restroom and became angry when he saw Amy with the witness. The witness immediately left the restroom and returned to her husband, who was waiting in the store.

Amy and the man left the restroom and walked out of the store's entrance. Four men completely surrounded Amy. Amy and these four handlers were later seen walking on a Barbados street.

The American witness didn't realize who Amy was until she returned to the U.S. and saw her in a magazine. This sighting has been completely verified.

FindAmy wrote:
It looks great to me. Thank you so very much.

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And these sightings have been completely verified by the FBI?

Too bad these eyewitnesses waited to speak to LE
 
Just caught this while looking for something else ... from Thread 1, Post 170:

FindAmy wrote:
The Porto Marie and Barbados witnesses have spoken on radio programs.

I knew that the Porto Marie witness has spoken publicly a few times, but does anyone know on what radio program the Barbados witness was interviewed?

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And these sightings have been completely verified by the FBI?

Yes. This has been stated repeatedly throughout Thread 1 and the early pages of Thread 2 (when the verified insider was still posting). The information is all there if you take the time to look for it. Witnesses have testified before a grand jury.

Too bad these eyewitnesses waited to speak to LE

They didn't wait. As soon as they returned home from their vacations and saw reports about Amy, they immediately notified LE.

Keep in mind -- this is an active FBI investigation. No one on this thread has access to the complete investigation files (e.g., witness statements) -- not even the Bradleys have access to the files and all of the information/interviews.

A gentle reminder to everyone: Be careful about jumping to conclusions and making judgments when we don't have access to all of the facts -- this is an open Federal investigation.

In my opinion, we need to focus on finding the source/sources of the escort-site photos.
 
I thought they just made eye contact - the females. I'm kinda thinking if the guy saw Amy press her eye against the crack then he would have double checked by doing the same thing. No?

No. :)

The witness was in the stall when the door opened and she heard the man's voice. The witness immediately pulled her feet up so as not to be seen b/c she was afraid. The man told the woman identified as Amy to make sure the place was empty. The words "pressed her face against" were definitely used. She said the stall was empty and the man left. That's when the witness came out of the stall and the two women spoke. I will find the post so that you will believe me. If you have a post stating differently, feel free to repost it and I'll stand corrected.

Also, I wonder if there were any windows in the bathroom. I know it's a store but many do have frosted high up windows in the restrooms. Sorta makes me wonder if that's why the guy walked her in, to make sure she couldn't run...

Can't help you with that one, sorry.

I believe you, Jaime. I was just questioning it bc alot of us have been led to believe the guy that was with her is some kind of handler or of sorts. If he trusted Amy enough to make sure the stall was truly empty, then that's just it...the trust factor. Why would he trust her?
 
The picture of the guy is too blurry for my software, I can lighten the image, but you cant see any distinguishing characteristics

Earlier I tried to draw attention to the woman in a red pattern full length dress who is dancing beside Amy in the first video sequence and the last two sequences just to repeat in the last sequence the woman is twirled by her partner and seems to say something to Amy or point something out to Amy who looks up to the right. The way she is dancing is quite different than the usual North American "bad dancers" on the boat much more "Levantine" in the previous post I said "Mediterranean" and then later notice this is the description of one of Amy's captors as well. I asked "is this woman watching Amy". Frankly FA didn't seem to think this was important.

But I invite anyone to look again and see what they think about this yes the standing man as well but also the woman in red.

Lebanese, usually called "Syrians" are quite an important ethnic group in the Caribbean including Curacao here is a link to a academic article but much more can easily be found on-line.

I am afraid that Amy's afterlife as a prostitute or as a still desirable older prostitute or wife could include Holland and the Middle East, we can't just be looking back at where she was seen years ago.
 
Yes. This has been stated repeatedly throughout Thread 1 and the early pages of Thread 2 (when the verified insider was still posting). The information is all there if you take the time to look for it. Witnesses have testified before a grand jury.



They didn't wait. As soon as they returned home from their vacations and saw reports about Amy, they immediately notified LE.

Keep in mind -- this is an active FBI investigation. No one on this thread has access to the complete investigation files (e.g., witness statements) -- not even the Bradleys have access to the files and all of the information/interviews.

A gentle reminder to everyone: Be careful about jumping to conclusions and making judgments when we don't have access to all of the facts -- this is an open Federal investigation.

In my opinion, we need to focus on finding the source/sources of the escort-site photos.

Thank you so much for the advice
When i have some free time, i will read back

If my questions annoy you, please don't feel obligated to answer
I am sure someone else will help out
 
Yes. This has been stated repeatedly throughout Thread 1 and the early pages of Thread 2 (when the verified insider was still posting). The information is all there if you take the time to look for it. Witnesses have testified before a grand jury.



They didn't wait. As soon as they returned home from their vacations and saw reports about Amy, they immediately notified LE.

Keep in mind -- this is an active FBI investigation. No one on this thread has access to the complete investigation files (e.g., witness statements) -- not even the Bradleys have access to the files and all of the information/interviews.

A gentle reminder to everyone: Be careful about jumping to conclusions and making judgments when we don't have access to all of the facts -- this is an open Federal investigation.

In my opinion, we need to focus on finding the source/sources of the escort-site photos.

They waited
They didn't know who she was, or at least the bathroon lady didn't know who she was so nobody contacted LE immediately
 
http://ejeps.fatih.edu.tr/docs/articles/69.pdf

here is the link if anyone is interested forgot to link previously.

One more thing: I have a question: Why is it likely that we on WS can find the source of the photos? Surely the FBI IS equipped to do this and it is not interfering in foreign politics doing so?

If there are people here that do that I think they would be specialists and expecting everyone on the thread to do this seems a bit too much to ask. That is why I think some people are pursueing other angles at the same time. I am willing for example to check out anything in Hamilton and am willing to try and fit anywhere mentioned into my vacation plans. But like some others I probably cannot help much with cyber-sleuthing that the FBI couldn't do.
 
I am thinking that the scamming investigator was a separate case from Bradley vs. RC.

Sorry guys I haven't been on all day , I'm still catching up ...

The quote above is correct. I posted the case summary of Bradley vs. RC , a protection order was filed in direct connection to Bradley vs. RC.

If a protective order was filed against a con , it would not appear in this particular case summary....

And LOL to the poster above who mentioned mIRC ... is IRC still around ? Lol now I feel very old as well.
 
I believe you, Jaime. I was just questioning it bc alot of us have been led to believe the guy that was with her is some kind of handler or of sorts. If he trusted Amy enough to make sure the stall was truly empty, then that's just it...the trust factor. Why would he trust her?

It's a fair question, Jersey. The only possibility coming to mind right now is that Amy said she had to use the ladies room -- I'm sure it couldn't have been the first time this happened -- and (regardless of the Barbados culture) he knew he couldn't stand in the ladies' room with her the entire time she was in there.

Hmmmmm ... something just occurred to me. What if Amy and the handlers were in the store, and Amy spotted the woman with her husband? I'm speculating that Amy would have been able to tell they were Americans (either U.S. or Canada) -- maybe she could hear them speaking English. She saw the woman head to the ladies' room and -- seeing an opportunity -- told the handler she had to go to the bathroom. That could explain how she knew the woman was in there despite the woman lifting her feet up?

Again, total speculation on my part. It would fit with the pattern of Amy keeping an eye out for Americans (e.g., opportunities to ask for help).
 
For new folks, here is the sketch based on the description of Amy from the Barbados witness in the ladies' room, and the handler who was with her.

ImageUploadedByTapatalk1347754668.600954.jpg
ImageUploadedByTapatalk1347754709.157694.jpg
 
That is interesting.

Could it be the guys who were photographing the Bradley home after they came back from the cruise?

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IIRC a past verified poster claimed that LE confirmed that they (photographers at the Bradley's home) were directly related to her "handlers" , and that LE didn't know who they were and the photographers used a rental car.

Which obviosley (JMO) means there is at least a little more to that. If (as VP said ..) the photographers were confirmed to be linked to the "handlers" , LE must have knowledge of their identities ...

And JMO , if they can link people taking pictures to Amy's "captors" without detaining them (VP stated that the rental car was found abandoned but LE confirmed a link to the "captors/handlers") ...

then I think 2+2 = 4 , so LE must know who the captors are , if indeed they linked the photographers to "them"
 
http://ejeps.fatih.edu.tr/docs/articles/69.pdf

here is the link if anyone is interested forgot to link previously.

One more thing: I have a question: Why is it likely that we on WS can find the source of the photos? Surely the FBI IS equipped to do this and it is not interfering in foreign politics doing so?

If there are people here that do that I think they would be specialists and expecting everyone on the thread to do this seems a bit too much to ask. That is why I think some people are pursueing other angles at the same time. I am willing for example to check out anything in Hamilton and am willing to try and fit anywhere mentioned into my vacation plans. But like some others I probably cannot help much with cyber-sleuthing that the FBI couldn't do.

Very good question...

IMO, the FBI & Interpol obtained this info after the pictures were first noticed. The Bradleys don't have that info for a reason, which is unknown to the public. Either it's her or it isn't. If it isn't but authorities kept that away from the Bradleys, then shame on them. If it is then they'd better find her bc it's us that pay their salaries! Do the job dangit!
 
It's a fair question, Jersey. The only possibility coming to mind right now is that Amy said she had to use the ladies room -- I'm sure it couldn't have been the first time this happened -- and (regardless of the Barbados culture) he knew he couldn't stand in the ladies' room with her the entire time she was in there.

Hmmmmm ... something just occurred to me. What if Amy and the handlers were in the store, and Amy spotted the woman with her husband? I'm speculating that Amy would have been able to tell they were Americans (either U.S. or Canada) -- maybe she could hear them speaking English. She saw the woman head to the ladies' room and -- seeing an opportunity -- told the handler she had to go to the bathroom. That could explain how she knew the woman was in there despite the woman lifting her feet up?

Again, total speculation on my part. It would fit with the pattern of Amy keeping an eye out for Americans (e.g., opportunities to ask for help).


The eyewitness said she's not sure if the sighting was in Harrison's or Cave Shepherd. Here's a listing for some duty free stores & locations:

http://www.barbados.org/shpcosm.htm
 
This is the Cruise Ship Compilation Video, the man in question is at 2:06, 2:07 and 2:08, he is standing against the wall and then walks behind Amy and Yellow. Thank you so much for your effort!

Amy Bradley - Compilation - YouTube

I agree with Chorley 8 concerning lady in red. She looked rather serious for a woman twirling and swirling the dance away,(in close proximity to a woman who , within hours would vanish).A distraction, from a transaction?
What is in her left hand, a big ring, a smoke,a note, or is she "flipping the bird"?
having difficuklty getting it to line up now, but approx. at 0.9 - 10
 
Yellow still entertains with his band. Someone local or foreign must have brought up the Bradley case to him. I wonder how he responds or if he refuses to talk about it. This will sound a little evil but if he likes to drink or take anything else he might have something interesting to say. Now whether it would be have any relation to the truth is something else.

I should add that insofar as I have had anything to add to this discussion (not much honestly) it has been to suggest that Y could have been set up by some of the supposed evidence from the boat. (Taking Chris Fenwick's evidence the rumours on the boat go within a day from "suicide" to "Yellow involved"). But that doesn't mean it is not a good idea to talk to him or that it is illegal to talk to him.

Actually the average Joe vacationer is in a much better position than the FBI in this respect. Some risk involved though probably not much if you didn't press things.
 
I have sent this lead in to multiple people without any response whatsoever. I was using a verified poster's recommendations as far as leads go , and was trying to dig into some POI's that were named.

I feel this is worth sleuthing , it may or may not be related ... I do feel it is worth a look JMO.

LinkedIn*

<modsnip: it has been determined that this is the wrong AD>

more pages show that calls also started occurring in Canada from this scam.

*******NOW HERE IS WHERE THIS GETS VERY CREEPY********

Just got a voicmail message from a girl with an American accent calling on behalf of David Cooper. All the same stuff about the Queen's 85th Birthday celebrations.

I was suspicious because I've never heard of the Government Initiatives Office, so I Googled it and found all this information. Thanks to this site I won't bother returning the call and will spead the word!
Caller: Government Initiatives Office

I just had the same call too from an american girl. *Now i've seen this thread i'll be ignoring her from now on. *My boss will be busy!
Caller: Government Initiative Office

I too have just received this call from an American lady named Maria Green who was calling on behalf of David Cooper, Executive Director of The Government Initiatives Office.

She advised that Mr Cooper needed to talk to our CEO urgently concerning a special invitation to Her Majesty's 85th Birthday and the number to call back on is 0845 459 1010 *Option 0.

Thank you to all who have posted on here with this information.

Our charity just received this same phone call. *The lady said she was called Patricia Peterson and was calling on behalf of her Executive Director David Cooper to invite our CEO to Her Majesty's 85th birthday celebrations. *I said that our CEO's PA wasn't in today and she invited me to call them back on 0845 459 1010, choosing option C 'to get to his department'.

Why are they doing this? *What is the point of it?????

Link :*http://whocallsme.com/Phone-Number.aspx/08454591010/2
 
Hopefully there is someone who's in contact with the Bradleys or an official spokesperson that can answer pertinent questions regarding the protective orders.
 
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I agree Jaime. It's important to keep focus on Zaglanitis and Paul Baxter. The verified member said they are connected to the escort site that put up Amy's picture. There are many theories being shared here. IMO, these two important names should not get lost among the theories. JMO

They're not, sapphire. Not at all. Wanted to note that just bc stuff isn't on here yet doesn't mean it isn't being worked on. Worked on indepth ... ;)
 
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