Identified! VA - Annandale, WhtFem 245UFVA, ~60, 'NO CODE, DNR, No Penicillin', Dec'96

[carbuff]

As far as the backpack goes... If I remember correctly there was an outdoors store (if not an REI itself) in Fairfax near Vienna back in the early 90s. I remember taking a trip there with my dad when I was 8 or 9 (so 1991 or 92) and being all amazed at all the hiking/camping stuff. Anyway my point is, she may have obtained it at that store, which was only about 15-20 minutes away (driving) from PV. Seeing as how it was beat up she may have got it in the early nineties which means she may be from or familiar with this area. But that's why it's so baffling to me -- if she was familiar why doesn't anyone know her???

I'm going to follow up with the lieutenant who oversees the cold case dept in FFx co next week (he gets back Tuesday). When I spoke to the operators at the station they said they had never heard of the case. Maybe it would be easy for a familiar to overlook this, you know?

You can't get REI brand stuff anywhere but REI, but there is an REI store in Fairfax, so it could be. It's not a new backpack, though, so there's no reason to assume she bought it locally.

There are hundreds of reasons why people don't recognize an unidentified person. With somebody who committed suicide in a cemetery, it's even possible her family DID recognize her and said to themselves, "Well, if that's the way she feels, we'll just leave her there" or "We can't admit we had a suicide in OUR family." Or, "It can't be Aunt Jane. She moved to Florida, didn't she?" Even if they realize nobody's heard from Aunt Jane in the last ten years, they'll be looking for her in Florida.

I mean, pictures of missing people is just not something most people run into every day. Even when the local newspaper does an update article, if that's the day you happen to be too busy to read the paper, you'll miss it. Even if you're looking, if it's a news outlet that's not near your area, you're liable to miss it.

 

[maureen]

I think she is an excellent match for Judith Geurin- her daughter Amy is on facebook with a pic of her missing Mom - I wonder if she has seen this UID

 

[Julessleuther]

Sodus is actually between Rochester and Syracuse. I remember this case, and being a former local, I know that there was fairly compelling evidence that her boyfriend (?) was involved.

http://www.troopers.ny.gov/Wanted_a...w.cfm?ID=32528dc2-ba47-45d9-ad3e-4d1c7214594d Judith Guerin

Basic Information
Race: White
Sex: Female
DOB: October 6, 1945
Height: 5' 2"
Weight: 180 pounds
Eyes: Hazel
Hair: Blonde



Jane Doe
Estimated age Adult - Pre 70
Minimum age 50 years
Maximum age 70 years
Race White
Ethnicity
Sex Female
Weight (pounds) 157, Measured
Height (inches) 60, Measured (5'0")




It wouldn't work with my theory though -- the woman missing from NY lived up near Buffalo... and the only Pleasant Valley, NY is near NYC.

 

[astridxx]

I think she is an excellent match for Judith Geurin- her daughter Amy is on facebook with a pic of her missing Mom - I wonder if she has seen this UID

I have sent her a FB message, yes. No response yet -- I sent it probably last Thursday or Friday.

 

[astridxx]

The circle at the top was the outdoors store (possibly an REI) and the one at the bottom is PVMG.

I know there's an REI now in a DIFFERENT location in Fairfax -- but in the 90s I'm pretty sure it was located there where that circle is on the map.

 

[astridxx]

Sodus is actually between Rochester and Syracuse. I remember this case, and being a former local, I know that there was fairly compelling evidence that her boyfriend (?) was involved.

I'd be interested to see the evidence against him. Of course I'm local to our PVMG JD so I know nothing about Judy's story other than what I've read. Would you share some things you learned about Judy's story when you lived there?

I'll keep checking the missing networks. And yes, now I'm struggling with "do we keep trying or do we keep her anonymous like she wanted?"

 

[astridxx]

Ok Judy's husband died of a heart attack and she received $250k worth of his pension. She disappeared gradually from life. People say Pucci beat her (which is maybe why she disappeared -- to escape him). Also, at some point she registered to go to school to become a respiratory therapist....

All this according to NY Times article from 2007. I overlooked alot of that when I first read the article.

The husbands pension explains the clothes. The fact that her daughter Amy gained custody of her three younger brothers may explain the baby land aspect of the cemetery. The DNR/No Code bracelet may be explained by the nursing classes (she must have had access or maybe it was her husbands).

 

[carbuff]

Ok Judy's husband died of a heart attack and she received $250k worth of his pension. She disappeared gradually from life. People say Pucci beat her (which is maybe why she disappeared -- to escape him). Also, at some point she registered to go to school to become a respiratory therapist....

All this according to NY Times article from 2007. I overlooked alot of that when I first read the article.

The husbands pension explains the clothes. The fact that her daughter Amy gained custody of her three younger brothers may explain the baby land aspect of the cemetery. The DNR/No Code bracelet may be explained by the nursing classes (she must have had access or maybe it was her husbands).

Besides the abusive relationship, the article also mentions a drinking problem and says she had gone through all that money.


There's nothing about a bracelet that says DNR that implies a nurse or requires particular acccess. Anybody can have one; I've seen cash-register displays at drugstores with the more common alerts including DNR (and the porchlight photo of the UID's bracelet looks very much like them.) If you just grab a bracelet off the rack and don't do the accompanying paperwork, it's anybody's guess whether it will be honored; at the time, laws were inconsistent and interpretation mostly rested with the emergency room people. But if she did the paperwork, that would have led back to her identity, so it wouldn't have been an option for her.

 

[astridxx]

Okay I wrote REI customer service who said there was a location in Bailey's Crossroads, VA that opened in 1990.

It's really a crap shoot as to whether or not she was familiar with the area. I mean, ANYONE can find these stores and Tyson's... ugh, such a mystery.

The thing with her husband's pension -- maybe she bought all that nice stuff BEFORE she blew it all out

 

[carbuff]

Okay I wrote REI customer service who said there was a location in Bailey's Crossroads, VA that opened in 1990.

It's really a crap shoot as to whether or not she was familiar with the area. I mean, ANYONE can find these stores and Tyson's... ugh, such a mystery.

The thing with her husband's pension -- maybe she bought all that nice stuff BEFORE she blew it all out

Entirely possible. It sounds like she had a comfortable happy life up until he died.

I'm also thinking that, you know, alcoholism, on a downhill slide, but manages to pull herself out of the abusive relationship and maybe pull herself together for a year or two, but then starts to slide again, maybe loses her job, gets depressed because she's made such a mess of her life, and goes out and spends her last money on nice clothes to die in.

Makes me want to cry thinking it might have been like that for her...

 

[astridxx]

Entirely possible. It sounds like she had a comfortable happy life up until he died.

I'm also thinking that, you know, alcoholism, on a downhill slide, but manages to pull herself out of the abusive relationship and maybe pull herself together for a year or two, but then starts to slide again, maybe loses her job, gets depressed because she's made such a mess of her life, and goes out and spends her last money on nice clothes to die in.

Makes me want to cry thinking it might have been like that for her...

REI is actually still there -- I'm trying to get a store email address to see if there is anyone who has worked there since it opened, though IDK what kind of questions to ask -- maybe include a pic of the back pack and ask like, around what year it was sold?

And that's what I think -- pulled herself out of an abusive relationship and felt so sad and depressed she couldn't go home to her family because her crazy then-boyfriend might find her and kill her... so she moved down south, changed her hair color and dealt with cash only. Maybe she was paid under the table?

 

[astridxx]

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2493dfky.html

Gladys Stella Kidd

Vital Statistics

Date Of Birth: May 20, 1919
Age at Time of Disappearance: 71 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'5"; 135-140 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; one brown eye, one green eye. Glasses.
Dentals: Partial X-rays Available
DNA: Available


This one is interesting, but the only thing that would match would be the description of the circumstances surrounding her disappearance:

"On August 6, 1990, Gladys Kidd left her home in the Morehead 3C trail area in Rowan County Kentucky.
Kidd cleared out her bank account in 1991, taking approximately $80,000 from a sale of a local farm and equipment located along the CCC Trail.
All she took with her was clothes and a filing cabinet. She parked her car somewhere in town and left the keys in it. The only word from her was a letter received by her son, about 17 days after she disappeared, post marked in the Lexington, Kentucky area. One portion of the letter reads, “Don’t try to find me, I would just leave.”
Her social security checks have gone uncollected, her driver's license has never been renewed, and her social security number has had no activity."


Too bad she's 5 inches too tall and not heavy enough. She would have been 77 if she were our PVMG JD.

 

[astridxx]

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2679dfab.html

Lillian Owens

Only similarities are glasses, scar and height range.

 

[astridxx]

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/767dfia.html

Barbara Elms

Matches in height and weight... she had a walkman at the time of disappearance...had a history of disappearing and battled with alcohol and prescription drugs.



Comparison with our JD

 

[carbuff]

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/767dfia.html

Barbara Elms

Matches in height and weight... she had a walkman at the time of disappearance...had a history of disappearing and battled with alcohol and prescription drugs.

She looks quite a bit like the reconstruction, too.

 

[astridxx]

I emailed the contact listed about Barbara. I emailed Wayne Co. Sheriff about PVMG JD possibly being JG. The aforementioned women are the only ones from 1990-1996 that are anywhere near in size/stature as PVMGJD.



Thoughts anyone??

 

[ThePhantom]

Most striking similarity to me is the eyes -- wow

 

[astridxx]

The manager of the REI in Bailey's Crossroads has been with the store since 1990 when it first opened.

What kinds of questions do I ask in regards to the back pack? Or if he's seen the woman? I don't want to sound like a nutcase so any help is appreciated

 

[carbuff]

The manager of the REI in Bailey's Crossroads has been with the store since 1990 when it first opened.

What kinds of questions do I ask in regards to the back pack? Or if he's seen the woman? I don't want to sound like a nutcase so any help is appreciated

I'd send him the photo of the backpack and the pointer to her doenet page, and explain that we're trying to ID her, and ask what he can tell us about the pack -- when they manufactured it, whether they carried it in-store (a lot of REI merchandise is only available mail order), anything that might point to the owner.

 

[astridxx]

I'd send him the photo of the backpack and the pointer to her doenet page, and explain that we're trying to ID her, and ask what he can tell us about the pack -- when they manufactured it, whether they carried it in-store (a lot of REI merchandise is only available mail order), anything that might point to the owner.

Okay, done and done. I'll post any responses. In the mean time I'm trying to find an email address for the FFX Co. Cold Case Dept. b/c I'm too impatient to wait for a phone call that may or may not come from Lt. Holland of FFX Co.