Elley Mae
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I think it's the same shirt and it just looks white b/c of the quality of the video.
Looking again I see that now, Thanks.
I think it's the same shirt and it just looks white b/c of the quality of the video.
I think it's the same shirt and it just looks white b/c of the quality of the video.
I've been wondering about that "intent to defile" charge ever since they announced it. I read the legal description and all of that, and then I began trying to figure out how it would apply here. It almost seems like one of those charges they levy "so we can at least get him on something".
Just a shot in the dark here, but I'm thinking maybe he was taking pictures or video clips of her with his cell phone that night, unbeknownst to her. If she accepted a ride with him, maybe he took even more pictures of her after she was in his vehicle, especially if she had passed out or was close to it.
The key here is the word "intent". How would you establish that ? Helping a drunk girl walk along the sidewalk ? Starting up a chat with a tipsy woman that is out partying all night ? Putting your arm around someone that really isn't accepting of it ?
Is flirting with a pretty girl considered "Intent to defile" ?? If that's all it takes, then I would think that charge should be levied on 50 guys per night in those bars.
That charge by itself seems weak to me. However, coupled with additional evidence such as cell phone photos or video clips, it may have some teeth behind it depending what is shown. If there are no photo's or videos, just eye witness statements, then I have no idea how they would make that charge stick.
News that Matthew had been charged came as a shock to Walt Davis, a pastor who played football with Matthew at Liberty and now lives in Crozet.
“It’s still kind of fresh for me,” Davis said Thursday. “I didn’t know him very well, but he was just a happy guy, who seemed to love life.”
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Learning that Matthew was found camping on the beach did not surprise Davis, he said.
“He had kind of a childlike nature,” Davis said. “Like Lennie from ‘Of Mice and Men,’ but not in a bad way.”
That same day, McCoy’s teenage daughter realized Matthew had approached her and a family friend several weeks earlier at a 7-Eleven near Matthew’s Hessian Hills apartment, McCoy said.
Matthew pulled up next to the women about 10 p.m. and asked whether they wanted to hang out, McCoy said, but the friend told him they had somewhere to be.
“We never let her go out,” McCoy said. “It’s scary. It’s just the luck of the draw. We’ll never know how close it was to being something else.”
I've been wondering about this too. I'm thinking maybe an empty ziplock bag found in his car or apartment containing traces of a date rape drug. Pictures/videos are a good theory too though. Or maybe a witness saying that he makes a habit of getting girls drunk for the purpose of taking advantage of them? Perhaps, drunk himself, he said something to someone at Tempo specifically about taking advantage of HG.
I think you're right, but there's something that's troubling me now.
WG described his clothes as white shirt/black pants. I'm willing to let slide that he didn't remember what kind of pants he had on, and on the video it did look like he had on a white shirt. But now we know that JM had a blue checked shirt on. How would he have gotten that detail so wrong?
WG's description of the person helping Hannah is getting further and further from reality. I understand that people have faulty memories or don't notice things but here's his track record right now:
Black: yes
Male: yes
Bald: no, dreadlocks
Goatee: yes
White shirt: no, rather obvious blue and white checked
Black pants: no, white 3/4 length shorts
Beer belly: possibly, but not exactly how I would have described JM. I would have said stocky or heavyset perhaps.
I think you're right, but there's something that's troubling me now.
WG described his clothes as white shirt/black pants. I'm willing to let slide that he didn't remember what kind of pants he had on, and on the video it did look like he had on a white shirt. But now we know that JM had a blue checked shirt on. How would he have gotten that detail so wrong?
WG's description of the person helping Hannah is getting further and further from reality. I understand that people have faulty memories or don't notice things but here's his track record right now:
Black: yes
Male: yes
Bald: no, dreadlocks
Goatee: yes
White shirt: no, rather obvious blue and white checked
Black pants: no, white 3/4 length shorts
Beer belly: possibly, but not exactly how I would have described JM. I would have said stocky or heavyset perhaps.
See and this is what I think - if he DID kill her (because let's be honest, we don't know at this point), it was accidental.
I still have a hard time with no one coming out to press charges against him for almost thirteen years, since 2002. How has he managed not to be caught or at least accused all that time, if he is a serial with such obvious behaviors and inappropriately touched several women just that night alone?
All night kept awakecthis scenario: JM sees pretty girl. Goes into pick up mode. Sees she's upset. Her cell phone battery dead. Tells her he will go inside tempo, someone he knows there from her dorm? Hannah waits. Fiddles with phone. Goes on briefly sending last text in que. Phone goes dead. (Happens to me) Comes back out with spiked drink. Hannah drinks. Bingo. Off they go. He gets "lucky" in his mind. Goes too far OR she succumbs to drugs. He panics. Leaves/dumps her somewhere. In his mind he didn't Murder her. Goes to PD. When sees lawyer, tells lawyer they "fooled around" but maybe not the rest. lawyer tells him he's screwed. He runs. I am a newbie/lurker. I am big on scenarios and mind sets. This is just a theory. I am sure many ways to shoot it down. I love web sleuths! You guys are brilliant!!!
Or at least in HIS mind? JmoSee and this is what I think - if he DID kill her (because let's be honest, we don't know at this point), it was accidental.
See and this is what I think - if he DID kill her (because let's be honest, we don't know at this point), it was accidental.
Perhaps the use of 'immediately contrite'/gentle giant/I'm a little slow routine is something he's been using all his life. And maybe a good lawyer. And he might have learned to exploit a common fear among victims..
Learning that Matthew was found camping on the beach did not surprise Davis, he said.
He had kind of a childlike nature, Davis said. Like Lennie from Of Mice and Men, but not in a bad way.
Another friend, Karen Shipley, has known Matthew since elementary school when both were in a program for kids with learning disabilities
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Lee-Vandell last spoke to Matthew on Thursday, she said, about bills he intended to pay.
Strictly playing devil's advocate - if he was looking for a victim, why didn't he stay in the target rich environment of the bar. Just wait until last call and look for someone who is wasted drunk?I see your point of view, but personally think if he did kill her it wasn't accidental. The way he sees her, watches her, and then intentionally follows her on that surveillance video says to me that he was looking for a victim.