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Found Deceased VA - Morgan Dana Harrington, 20, Charlottesville, 17 Oct 2009 - #14
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Let me start out with the easiest one first... BBM = Bolded By Me
This is something that always struck me as strange as well. If the friends were so sure MH had a ride then why did they wait around? I never understood that.
It was supposedly made plain according to the friend that when MH called she said she would find a ride home.
I have to go with what Judge Judy always says - "If it doesn't make sense, it's not true".
I have never believed that statement that was so nonchalantly stated..."Oh I'll find a ride home." (Or words to that effect). What makes more sense, to me, if MH said those words there were more choice words added to that statement and I believe it would have had to have been a heated statement, not an "oh well" kind of thing.
Jeez...it was her car...it was a concert she wanted to go to and her father had bought tickets for.
IF those who saw MH outside of the JPJ arena and IF those reports are true that this was her and that she was in an agitated mood (cussing and kicking at people, etc) I will guarantee that phone call to her alleged friend was not so polite.
So yet, these folks who came with MH wait around on a cold night in the dark waiting for MH who supposedly states she's finding another ride. And they say they wait a "significant" amount of time. Why? Why would you wait if you know for sure that your friend has a ride? Knows what time the concert is over...isn't there within 20 or 30 minutes.
So one just decides to take MH's vehicle and drive it without permission? Leave their friend behind without knowing what has happened to her. She can't be reached by phone and yet they know she was under the influence of something...but no one bothers to call her parents? (who cares if MH gets tattled on...I wouldn't be driving someone else's car without permission).
Why didn't they just go hang with DS and her friends? Supposedly DS met them at the car (or nearby) since DS was told they had a missing friend... They could have crashed in the car or at DS's place or someone's place. But yet they leave...and as "Sally" has alluded to they returned the next morning. (I also remember reading that some place).
That also doesn't make sense. Concert is over 11ish/12ish...wait a significant amount of time (so really what does that mean? an hour/two)...they leave and return to Harrisonburg, allegedly...which is approx 1 hr away...and then possibly drive another hour back to C'ville that morning? Hmmm...if that is correct, that is an awful lot of driving to be doing when your friend has supposedly told you she has a ride IMHO.
If these folks drove back to C'ville that morning/afternoon, was it before or after the phone call from Dr. Harrington?
The Shanda Sharer murder is something that has entered my mind a few times when I've wondered if these friends killed Morgan.
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I agree with you 100% that no one is above suspicion. What I meant about the microscope comment is that what little the friends have said or done HAS been examined under the microscope; if I were them I wouldn't say a word to anyone other than LE or the Harringtons directly. Everything they do or say, or don't do or don't say in the public eye will be picked a part and taken out of context. I firmly agree the friends should be looked at hard and long.
I will say that in defense of the friends, the partying pics were not taken by the group that were Morgans friends, nor released by them publicly. The photos were taken, and posted, by others attending the same party.
I will say that in defense of the friends, the partying pics were not taken by the group that were Morgans friends, nor released by them publicly. The photos were taken, and posted, by others attending the same party.
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1) a couple of reasons 1) LE firmly believes that Morgan's murder was an isolated incident a) it was a sexual assault gone bad, and the perp most likely will not do it again b) they have evidence the perp was transient 2) LE has a poi that is presently incarcerated or deceased so unable to kill again, and is awaiting the final evidence nail against poi.
2) Rumor has it the friends and Morgan had some kind of arguement and that is why she seperated from them, and they may have believed her "I'll find a rde home" was an idle threat just to make them worry about her, and she would eventually sho up at the car, which was, afterall, hers.
3) Perhaps they were feeling guilty about her missing Metallica and being locked out of JPJA, and the rumored arguement. Perhaps they realized it would just be really bad manners to continue to party with out her. From what I read, I believe DS and her group were actually pretty tired after the show, and decided to return home themselves rather than party.
4) Depends what she was referring to as home. Perhaps she meant her parents house. And again, perhaps the "I'll find a ride home" was just an idle threat, and had Morgan not been adbucted prior to the show ending (if that is when she was taken) she would have been waiting for them at her car.
5) BBM = Bolded By Me
2) Rumor has it the friends and Morgan had some kind of arguement and that is why she seperated from them, and they may have believed her "I'll find a rde home" was an idle threat just to make them worry about her, and she would eventually sho up at the car, which was, afterall, hers.
3) Perhaps they were feeling guilty about her missing Metallica and being locked out of JPJA, and the rumored arguement. Perhaps they realized it would just be really bad manners to continue to party with out her. From what I read, I believe DS and her group were actually pretty tired after the show, and decided to return home themselves rather than party.
4) Depends what she was referring to as home. Perhaps she meant her parents house. And again, perhaps the "I'll find a ride home" was just an idle threat, and had Morgan not been adbucted prior to the show ending (if that is when she was taken) she would have been waiting for them at her car.
5) BBM = Bolded By Me
Journalists do sometimes make mistakes, but media articles are our main source of information regarding this case. I agree that if Bass saw "toes," what he meant was toe bones. So it follows that you might be correct that the boots were still on MH's feet, but JMO whether or not the boots were there doesn't reveal much about how she may have died.
JMO: Photo #14 is intended to be a depiction of MH. If you read back on the thread, we have already discussed this image.
Couldn't the police just tell from the way the bones shattered that it was a gun shot? Not only that but they could probably find the bullet.
My theory is that MH was killed by some weird group like the Manson Family. Maybe bffs were part of the group, or associated with the group; or maybe MH separated from them to join some other people.
Much of the criticism of "eyewitness" testimony is just political correctness. Innocents are supposedly being sent to prison, because some middle-class bigot had the nerve to accuse them of pulling a knife on someone! Such nonsense does get tired. Regarding this case: most unfortunately, MH looked & dressed like many other college students that night at the concert. The witnesses could reasonably have been mistaken.
There could have been many other connections: hunting, biking, college classes, political activism, family, some band, a coven ... We don't know.
We don't know.
MH could so easily have switched clothes. Some posters acted as though it were entirely impossible that she somehow borrowed someone's jacket, or removed her leggings, or changed boots. If she switched her top while she was locked out of her car, she may have left it in some other place than the bag.
BTW: MH seems not to have attended VTech prior to Fall 2009. Where is the strong VTech community of support for MH? They sympathize, but seems that few people there actually knew her personally. She had enough credits to be considered a junior, so where exactly did she earn those credits, and why is this fact not mentioned?
Switching her high school is overemphasized; that had happened long ago, and it's not a big deal. Not everyone is all that sentimental about their high school. But MH had recently gone through a huge change in her life -- switching college --- why is this topic ignored? Her most recent past is most relevant to the case. Plus, VTech may have been a more competitive environment (than JMU, where JMO she had previously been enrolled), and may have put her under more stress. Maybe she sought out old "friends" from JMU for that reason.
MH may likely have been killed by a group of persons at least one of whom she mistakenly considered a friend; however, her companions (AM, SS & DC) that night are not necessarily the murderers.
Sally, how would you exclude the possibility that MH met up with someone else, left the concert to attend some event with him, and then came to harm?
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I think I covered some of your other points in my last post.
I believe that DC is/was friends with DS, and it was via a phone call between him and her after the concert where plans to meet up after the show were changed. DS was from Harrisonburg, went to JMU, about an hour away from Charlottesville. That would be the main reason they would not have stayed at DS's place. I also believe according to reports, the friends did wait around after the show to see if Morgan would show up. I do not believe the actual amount of time they waited has ever been cleared up or verified though.
I also do not think they returned to Charlottesville the next morning, or if they did, it was after Dr. Harrington had contacted them to find out about Morgans whereabouts. I can not find any verifiable reports about what the friends did the next morning.
I believe that DC is/was friends with DS, and it was via a phone call between him and her after the concert where plans to meet up after the show were changed. DS was from Harrisonburg, went to JMU, about an hour away from Charlottesville. That would be the main reason they would not have stayed at DS's place. I also believe according to reports, the friends did wait around after the show to see if Morgan would show up. I do not believe the actual amount of time they waited has ever been cleared up or verified though.
I also do not think they returned to Charlottesville the next morning, or if they did, it was after Dr. Harrington had contacted them to find out about Morgans whereabouts. I can not find any verifiable reports about what the friends did the next morning.
If she was high in the photos, maybe it was meth or some other type of stimulant.
During WWII, the Germans would sometimes give their soldiers meth and I recall watching a documentary a few years ago where an American veteran was talking about how wild-eyed and crazed-looking all of the German soldiers looked during a major offensive in December of 1944 and how he thought for sure the Germans had to have all been drugged up on something during that particular battle. Based on our soldier's description, I kind of imagine the German soldiers looking like AM in those pictures. lol.
I'm interested in seeing the other photos, because I sort of sympathize with her right now and assume the worst is being shown, kind of like how Rush Limbaugh would select unflattering photos of Hillary Clinton or a sports fan would choose a silly photo of an opposing team's coach or star player.
What causes you to believe she was shot in the left eye? That seems like such a very specific detail.
Separate key chains? Multiple keys? Maybe she had gone out with friends, met up with guy or other people & left the friends behind before ...
Comment from "find Morgan site:
Remember Morgan Harrington - View Single Post - Morgan's Pictures on FB
The poster quotes MH commenting on line regarding a camping trip which had not been too enjoyable:
"Morgan Harrington Things just went downhill from here.my nails bled for weeks after I peeled those tips off. i lost that sweater at a creepy guys house, and sacrificed my last unicorns so i wouldn't have to make awkward small talk. and then the man stomped me down. November 12, 2007 at 10:26am"
Assuming MH followed the usual academic course, she would have been in the first semester of her senior year in high school, when she wrote this statement. Many posters were puzzled over its meaning.
Maybe she was arrested, and spent 2 years in prison? Most prisons offer study opportunities, and maybe that is how MH was able to enter VTech as a junior.
If this theory is true, then maybe the info was suppressed to avoid people passing judgment on the victim. HOWEVER MH did not deserve to be abducted, abused or killed no matter what her history was.
Unfortunately a prison sentence would also put her in contact with some very bad people. Possibly she testified against someone else in exchange for a lighter sentence?
Remember Morgan Harrington - View Single Post - Morgan's Pictures on FB
The poster quotes MH commenting on line regarding a camping trip which had not been too enjoyable:
"Morgan Harrington Things just went downhill from here.my nails bled for weeks after I peeled those tips off. i lost that sweater at a creepy guys house, and sacrificed my last unicorns so i wouldn't have to make awkward small talk. and then the man stomped me down. November 12, 2007 at 10:26am"
Assuming MH followed the usual academic course, she would have been in the first semester of her senior year in high school, when she wrote this statement. Many posters were puzzled over its meaning.
Maybe she was arrested, and spent 2 years in prison? Most prisons offer study opportunities, and maybe that is how MH was able to enter VTech as a junior.
If this theory is true, then maybe the info was suppressed to avoid people passing judgment on the victim. HOWEVER MH did not deserve to be abducted, abused or killed no matter what her history was.
Unfortunately a prison sentence would also put her in contact with some very bad people. Possibly she testified against someone else in exchange for a lighter sentence?
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Hey Walker,
I don't mean to correct you here, but... I have a correction. I don't know how much difference it makes.
Me and Morgan are/were the same age. She was born in July 1989 -- me in May 1989. We both went to high school in Virginia as well. That said, I graduated in June 2007 and was a first semester freshman in college at the time of this post. Morgan would have been, too, as you can see from her Facebook profile.
Just throwing that out there. Like I said, I don't know what difference it makes, if any.
Thank you. You are right MH would have been a freshman at the time the post was written, which would make even better sense, since she would not likely have gotten more than two years for possession (?).
Explains why the parents were keeping such close tabs on her: was she on probation? That might be why her companions were so averse to reporting MH to either LE or her parents and "getting her in trouble." And the first photo of her looked like a mug shot: LE had it on file?
http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=145097237685&id=1763acc1e1e257b83e3d24c73dd02a5c&url=http%3a%2f%2fturbo.%2fwp-content%2f2009%2f10%2fmorgan-dana-harrington_missing.jpg
LE is not warning the public of any danger because the guy that ordered the hit is locked up. Photo #14 is done by someone closely associated with him. That's why the image is so hateful; somebody blamed her for his conviction. Note that the image is looks like tattoo art. Apparently among tattoo artists, there was a world-wide contest to create an image of the Tibetan Buddhist deity, Tara, to benefit Tibet in its struggle for political independence. So tattoo artists studied the Buddhist style and forms, but maybe not the actual philosophy; that's why these images on the scroll seemed so ignorant.
Also, no VTech roomies or close friends spoke out at all. If MH had sat through several classes with another student, surely they would have said something publicly about her disappearance. But she didn't have any old VTech roomies or pals because she had not been at VTech. AM was attending a different college.
It is not "political correctness", it has been well established that eyewitness testimony can be seriously flawed. Unless the witness actually knows the person they were witnessing, and unless the events witnessed were sufficiently dramatic, the witness could easily be wrong. And even when those two conditions ARE met, the witness can still be wrong since they may be colored by bias or may not fully comprehend what they saw.
It looks like an ID picture to me, perhaps a drivers licence or passport photo.
Would also explain the friends silence; when MH disappeared, they must have been terrified.
Also, the group responsible was taunting LE with the tee and the association of the Bass name with forensic science. They didn't take the jewelry because they wanted her body identified; she was supposed to be an example of what happens to a "snitch."
People raised a lot of objections to the idea the body was dumped from a plane, but in Mexico that is a common method to kill informers.
That a person could be honestly mistaken is just obvious, and any person with common sense would weigh that fact in evaluating their testimony. However, the reason the little professors are making such a big deal about it now is political correctness. Those naughty middle-class people are just seeing things ...
Her eyes are terrified.
Her parents would have been unlikely to present that photo, when they had so many better ones.
No, it's because they have done actual studies to investigate how reliable witnesses are under controlled conditions. I have never heard of ANY reputable study concluding that eye witnesses are allways reliable.
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