Bootsctr
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Thanks for the heads up. Yes, this documentary looks very good and the story of Leopold & Loeb is very similar to Nicole's murder.
Here's a link to the PBS web site, with previews and other background info about this historic case and trial.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/perfectcrime/player/
I read a book about this murder last year, a recent book with a great deal of research on the case. It was as baffling to the public then as this case is now - how do young adults of great backgrounds, with great educations commit such a horrible crime just for the thrill of it?
I found the description of a "side hug" interesting. I am wondering if that description was volunteered or came after further questioning and request for detail from LE. It sounds like what the Dugger family does on their chaperoned dates. The obvious connotation is that it is non-sexual contact. If it was DE's own non-prompted description it sounds like a self-serving defensive comment, which raises my own eyebrows.
Here's a booking photo of Natalie that shows her right hand:
Can someone wave their magic wand and enlarge so that we may look at that hand, please? It looks like her nails are neatly done. And she's the southpaw, correct?
I can't picture them caring at all how it goes down. It's almost like they wanted to get caught.
Let me toy with this girl on social media, and text. Leave lots of *Footprints there*" ;
Then I'll go right to her house and watch her climb out the window. (Where we may, or may not be seen. Who cares.);
Commit the crime in an area where I could be seen.
Go to Walmart, where the security cameras are sure to record me buying the shovel and crime scene clean-up products.;
Toss body carelessly of to the side of the road;
Go back to dorm and immediately tell others what we just did. (NK).
Great "plan" there guys... I can't help but wonder if they knew they were going to be caught, and for whatever reason that's what they wanted, or at least didn't care. At all.
Excellent post! I'm on Cymbalta. Have never tried Prozac. Several others made me feel extremely weird, but I was told I was started off on too high a dose. However, I never ever felt any SSRI made me not know right from wrong.
I think you're right - she expected LE to be easy on her and that didn't happen.
Did feeling "extremely weird" ever include a growing fear, Boots, that you might be heading toward a state in which you might not be able to CONTROL your actions (whether right or wrong)?
Did feeling "extremely weird" ever include a growing fear, Boots, that you might be heading toward a state in which you might not be able to CONTROL your actions (whether right or wrong)?
News stories all got that line slightly different. I suspect DE was hit with texting evidence he was at Nicole's. His last message probably said "I'm here" and she replied "I'll be right out." Or they triangulated cell towers and put him nearby at the time of an unknown final message. I think he was trapped by police and had to admit being present and downplayed it as best he could. Side hug and then left alone to see Keepers who he expected to provide an alibi. I doubt he admitted Nicole going with him in any form. Reporters just misinterpreted the prosecutor. If he was expecting an alibi that would also explain his "truth shall set me free" statement.
They look sort of chewed to me. It's so hard to tell.
looking back, DE could of lied and said he had no idea that NL was so young. Broke it off.........after all he could of quit KIK, changed his code name, NL didn't have her phone during Christmas vacation............why murder?
It was mentioned that there were no classes at VT Jan 4th.........did DE and NK go home for Christmas and come back early?
Inside Edition's preview of Nicole's father's Dr. Phil interview:
http://www.insideedition.com/headlines/14583-father-of-slain-girl-13-shares-his-regrets-i-wish-id-wrapped-her-up-hugged
Also, article that accompanies it states: "My daughter would have fought like a wildcat," Lovell said. He noted that Keepers appeared to have a scar on her face and said he thought Nicole may have been responsible for that.
I noticed, before here SM was shutdown, that she sometimes had very chewed up nails and cuticles. Sometimes she had well manicured hands but if you look closely here, the nails are chewed down to the quick and the thumb cuticles are actually torn and scabbed.Here's a booking photo of Natalie that shows her right hand:
View attachment 88869
Can someone wave their magic wand and enlarge so that we may look at that hand, please? It looks like her nails are neatly done. And she's the southpaw, correct?
Inside Edition's preview of Nicole's father's Dr. Phil interview:
http://www.insideedition.com/headlines/14583-father-of-slain-girl-13-shares-his-regrets-i-wish-id-wrapped-her-up-hugged
Here's a booking photo of Natalie that shows her right hand:
View attachment 88869
Can someone wave their magic wand and enlarge so that we may look at that hand, please? It looks like her nails are neatly done. And she's the southpaw, correct?